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On Nudity And Civil Disobedience

[The discussion pertains to a woman who appeared in court nude at her appearance for charges of being nude]

The author is "gus", a poster on the newsgroup.

...Not in a Court of Law, IMHO.

Perhaps not anywhere.

IMHO, it's a different statement than "I think the laws are wrong". The act of civil disobedience is to break a "bad" law, often in a way that virutally guarantees arrest, then argue *within the system* the merits of the law in an effort to prove the law is wrong. Such a tactic would be for a group to go nude on a beach, get arrested, then appear in court and argue that the law either doesn't apply or is otherwise invalid.

Getting arrested for mere nudity, then flipping off the court (which might otherwise be inclined towards a sympathetic view of the situation, who knows?) and stating by your actions that you're above or beyond the law, will not get the laws changed. On the contrary, it says that she is the sort of person who might not believe in traffic signals, or in dog-leash laws, or in parking fines -- and if so, she'll just do what she wants.

Very different statements, but again, only IMHO. One could conclude that she's an Anarchist and hell-bent on destroying society, rather than that she's a citizen who is asserting rights unfairly denied her.

However, from a point of view that the laws are so unjust and so unlikely to change, then I suppose futile resistance looks good and perhaps even brave. I don't share that point of view, but it really is a subjective call. I'd think that antagonizing the court, and possibly causing the judge to conclude that "people who go around nekkid advocate lawlessness and are a threat to society" would be a Bad Thing. But one must do what one believes in.

I wish her the best of luck in her endeavors, whatever her ultimate aim in behaving the way she has chosen.

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Showing up nude in court, whether lawful or not, is WITHOUT QUESTION flipping off the judge. You may not get that, she may not get that, there may be no objective manner in which to prove that to your satisfaction, but the fact that the judge had "a hissy fit" is, IMNSHO, a situation that any reasonable observer could have predicted. In a game of Judge versus Defendant, I know where the smart money's bet. That doesn't make it right or wrong, just "so". You're free to dispute that, it's merely my opinion.

Such behavior in a situation where no law exists to the contrary may indeed further her aims. In that case, she's chosen a wise strategy to flush out those who would enforce their own version of the law.

Granted the prosecutor is reaching in this case. Granted I was not aware of the laws in effect (or rather not in effect). Granted, even, that appearing nude in that court may be perfectly legal. I doubt it happens much more than showing up in a bikini. It was still a stunt intended to inflame, and the results were, in that environment, predictable.

I hope the continuing overreaction by the State's agents turns to her advantage soon. The simple fact is that many have been incarcerated for things that are arguably not illegal. The trick is generally to lock 'em up for some other minor infraction. And gee, isn't that what happened here to begin with? So if being nude in court is defendably legal, I'm sure there's another charge that can be trumped up that sticks.

There is at best a fine line between heroism and recklessness. Whether one is remembered a hero or a fool is often based more on how things happened to work out, rather than on one's actions.

You say I'm on the wrong side. No, I'm not. My observation is that showing contempt of court, even when it's well-deserved, is a dangerous game. Whether there is or is not a law banning simple nudity, the fact is she's in court for simply being nude. This is, to my thinking, simply wrong. But to ridicule the court in her manner of dress is simply stupid. Unless she's stupid like a fox, and has a plan to upset all their applecarts by drawing them into overreacting far beyond excusable limits.

My observation is that, for prosecutors and judges and other State's agents, the excusable limits are typically quite broad. And for defendants, quite narrow.

One can be Right and still lose. She's playing a serious game of hardball, and I wish her well.

You can read into this whatever you wish. The fact is that in most of the USA, one can be arrested at any time for just about any reason. Much has been said in recent decades about such behavior, yet it persists. If you're on the outside, you are at a disadvantage. Argue this all you want, declare it Wrong and Evil, mount a demonstration and protest till you drop. It's all been done before. There have been some changes, but I wouldn't stake my freedom on it had I other choices.

But rooting for the underdog, especially when they are in the right, is a great American pastime. So is defiance of authority.

The cat-and-mouse game is likely to continue until one side or the other is worn down and gives in. Please let us know how things turn out. I wish her the best in her proceedings, and hope even that's good enough.

-gus

 

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