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| FlCpl4NewdFun |
Posted - 04/05/2008 : 5:24:38 PM
First off, a little background info may be helpful.
My wife and I have only been participating in social nudism for a little over a year, although we’ve (okay mostly me) have been home nudists for years. Making the step into social nudism has been great for our relationship and we both enjoy the relaxing aspect of it. It by no means defines us and we have only told a limited number of friends and family. However, lately I’ve been revealing it to more friends but have yet to get any of them to join in the fun. After reading several message boards and blogs about nudism over the past few months I’ve found this particular community seems to be the most diverse and offer the most realistic discussions and helpful information. Now, on to my confusion.
There seems to be quite a strong theme across many of the posts that nudists need to check their sexuality at the door when they enter a social setting. Particularly, their innate biological response of attraction and adrenal rush to thrill seeking activities such as those that may contain some form of exhibitionism or are voyeuristic in nature. As with most things in nature there is a wide spectrum of behaviors that fall in to this category but I am only referring to those involuntary responses to external stimuli, as opposed to active participation for shock value such as flashing for beads at Mardi Gras. For instance, if clothes or any other form of cover never existed there would be no such thing as nudism. However, the desire for pleasure is innately human and not within our direct control. Thus, one would have to devise or participate in some other form of activity to fulfill their subconscious desire to obtain the needed resolution. My whole point is humans are sexual beings; in fact it’s an absolute necessity to our survival. I just don’t see how anyone can bifurcate their sexuality/fantasies/desires and their nudism. I’m not by any means saying practicing nudism is sexual, quite the contrary. I actually believe textile beaches are much more sexually charged due to bathing suits being purposely designed to accentuate a woman’s body. Many non-nudists won’t understand, but my libido actually decreases when practicing nudism.
As I’m sure many of you have experienced, when confronted with counter-intuitive positions such as homophobia, religious fundamentalism, ultra left/right wing political rhetoric, etc… it is likely the result of needing to bring some internal cognitive dissonance to resolution. We’ve all seen it: the anti-gay activist or family-values politician getting caught with a male prostitute, the elitist millionaire liberals or Hollywood actors telling others what to do about the environment while their own carbon footprint is bigger than many small communities, and the list goes on. The reality is it’s unavoidable, we all engage in this behavior to some extent. Just hopefully not on as grand a scale.
So being fairly new to all of this, when I see posts where others are trying to get into one’s mind and tell them what they are thinking, or they are not a “TRUE” nudist, or their behavior is not “TRUE” nudist behavior I get quite confused about nudism. In various threads people have shared their experiences about getting caught naked, or the thrill of shedding the clothes in a non-traditional place, or God forbid going to - -. While most see this as innocent fun, others claim it is exhibitionism and not good for nudism. My question then is if one lives their whole life as a nudist and in the nudist community with the highest of morals and public character, but secretly this individual is only a nudist to fulfill some sort of sexual desire but goes to the grave without telling a sole. Was that individual a nudist? Now the same situation but this person is open and honest in their thoughts with fellow nudists and is thus shunned by many. Is it not then the revealing of the information that defined the nudist not their underlying motivation?
Now back to my confusion. I guess I just don’t understand at this point is how nudism can be a philosophy given the diverse range of people and individual motivations that leads one to be a nudist. Seems more like a lifestyle for a small few and a practice for most. If we really want nudism to become more socially accepted we shouldn’t be focusing on suppressing the sexuality of adult nudists which is a lost cause with no pay-off. Attention starved nude protestors have done more to damage the reputation of nudism than all other indiscretions combined. Or what about going after those disgusting horrific “naturist” websites that sell DVDs of family naturism. Only pedophiles by those, there are absolutely no justifiable reasons ever to video and photograph young children to distribute over the Internet period! That is the true evil that consistently gives nudism the perpetual black eye.
However, we can tout and focus on its normalcy. This board is slathered with smug comments about how enlightened, open-minded, honest, friendly, free, environmentally conscience, and other self-indulgent characterizations of nudists, bla, bla, bla. I’m sure many of you are all those things, but the fact is, just as with any group, there are both A-holes and angels among us and everything in between. I’ve been known two exhibit both qualities in an amazingly short time period, go figure. Why can’t it just be about enjoying nudity and the freedom it brings?
Am I confused, wrong, completely nuts, or possibly on to something? |
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| FireProf |
Posted - 10/16/2017 : 10:25:31 AM
Jenn had an excellent way of getting the point across. I truly wish some of the news reporters, article writers, video news feeds, would have interview Jenn instead of some of the others that they chose to interview. She speaks truthfully, truly gets what nudism is about and what we are about and skips all the usual general statements and dancing around certain subjects that leave us nudists sounding kinda wishy washy. Don't know if this make sense.
I keep hoping to finally run into her at our club. We are both members of the same club but we have a difficult time getting there when she and her family are there. Maybe someday!
Loves being naked. Plays well with others! |
| Nude in AK |
Posted - 10/16/2017 : 09:00:14 AM
FireProf, thanks for bringing this one back to the for front! It puts a good light on this choice of life style! |
| FireProf |
Posted - 10/15/2017 : 5:56:54 PM
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Originally posted by allnaturalwife
Although I myself have used terms such as "true nudist" many times, I still to this day, hate all of the negative reaction they cause from many people. Northwest-- I cant be certain, but I think you might have read that quote in one of my posts. I have a very simple definition of what a nudist is: Its simply someone who prefers not to wear clothes, than to wear them. Thats it. Im sure many of us could write a 50 page discertation of the psychological reasons why we all want and/or like to be naked. With so many fancy phrases and terminology,that anyone might even question what they believe themselves. I have found that many in a debate, give lengthy arguments filled with complicated references, metaphors and the like. By the time you get to the end of it all, you forget what the heck the origional question or topic was. Not saying that anyone here is or has done that. As there are MANY people who will lock on to anything they can find in a post to launch into a lengthy diatribe-- I would hope we can all take my post at face value.
So to reiterate the simplicty of MY views on the entire subject of "What a nudist is" A nudist to me is simply one who prefers not to wear clothes rather than wear them" Terms such as "real nudist" or "true nudist" , are ONLY used by me to deferentiate those who participate in clothes free living for reasons OTHER than to just be naked, ie: voyerism, exhibitionism, or the like. Please understand that.
Also in reference to nudism and sex: To put it as simply as I know how: Nudism is not about sex, but anyone can think about sex at any waking moment. If my husband and I are at our local club playing water volleyball, He can think about having sex AND play the game at the same time. He can even control himself not to jump on me right there in the pool. Us human beings are quite amazing in that way. Having multiple thoughts all at once. Nudists do NOT want to "supress their sexuality" or anything of that nature. What most of us want to do is simply make it clear that NUDISM IS NOT ABOUT SEX. Key word being "about". I just am not seeing where in that statement people get the whole " nudists are opposed to sex thing" Its reading something that isnt there.
Needed to bump this and have everyone read it if you're still unsure what many of us veteran nudists think about this subject!
Loves being naked. Plays well with others! |
| Nude in AK |
Posted - 10/15/2017 : 5:01:31 PM
It is interesting to see some of these old post brought back to life! I, like a lot of others here enjoy the feeling of being nude whenever possible. I have no issues being around others in the correct setting no matter if they are nude or not, while I am nude. It is a way of life that a lot of other people can not understand. Some of it may be their up bringing or some other factor. |
| soonbnude |
Posted - 10/15/2017 : 4:11:00 PM
I wonder what the original poster of the question thinks about this topic and the comments nearly 10 years on. Are they still as passionate and confused / conflicted?
To me it's a lot about respect. Respect for others in the place you are in, respect for those that argued / fought for the chance to have it created, respect for the textiles that may walk along he beach thinking about shedding their clothes (remember what that was like the first time), respect for any families or those that keep to themselves but are there enjoying the freedoms of the CO beach.
A "true nudist" may have a different meaning to many and we should respect those views. SBN. |
| AROOSTER4U |
Posted - 10/14/2011 : 9:56:23 PM
I was a member of a website that had chat, you could trade photos find people in other states or your home town that were of the same ideas as you. It was called some thing like live as a true nudest, or life is a true nudest, or living a (as) naturist nudist life style , My conputer just stoped working so I lost every thing I had would like to find the chat,form or commumity. I need help I can have you send me an e-mail at AROOSTER4U@YAHOO.COM,think for any help I get. |
| soonbnude |
Posted - 11/16/2009 : 01:51:22 AM
Its probably all been said above and in the similar topic but I think everyone has been confused or nervous or unsure at some point. Nervous the first time or first time at a new place where you are not totally sure of any rules particularly when there are clothed people around, or kids, as that in itself makes one unsure whether you should be doing what you are doing. As humans yes we are sexual beings and it would be abnormal not to look at others naked in your vicinity and admire, enjoy, be envious of, feel good or just comfortable in being as you are.
To free free of clothing is liberating and once you see and meet others I find it is relaxing, enjoyable and a de-stressing state. |
| Warmskin |
Posted - 07/31/2009 : 5:33:54 PM
Organized nudity in the form of beaches of resorts, to me, is a novelty each time I go there. Let's face it, we spend a lot of time (at least a lot of us) with our clothes on. Arriving at a nudist place is for the moment a complete reversal of what we normally experience.
Being how it is a novelty, it does scramble how we see others, and imagine their role in life within their home and communities. Nudity does take away our projection of wealth, position, career type, and other facets of life. Imagine seeing every friend, acquaintance, co-worker, etc., all in one place and all in the nude. Of course that is not the actual case. Mostly we see strangers being nude at a resort, as if we took a shortcut to properly see them nude. It is odd that we can easily see strangers nude, but most likely never our friends in the nude. I may not be making myself too clear on that idea. So that means, yes, I am confused! Hahaha.
When I arrive at a nudist resort, I have a funny thought that I'm the only one nude, until I see others who are nude. Then when I see others, I feel "normal" again. You could imagine how I would draw attention to myself by walking around fully clothed at a resort.
So, I believe, for myself, it is the reversal of nudity versus being clothed as we go to and from each type of setting. The novelty I experience each time does leave me a bit confused at first, until my mind again reaches an equilibrium of sorts, and I become fully adjusted to my new surroundings (nudist resort or the clothed world).
"The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home."
James Madison
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| Randall50 |
Posted - 07/31/2009 : 10:17:39 AM
I am no expert on this subject. I would imagine there are levels of nudism as there are in pretty much any other "ism" out there. Who has not gone skinny dipping? Boys slipping off together to shed their clothes and skinny dip in the local pond is part of the American Psyche. Norman Rockwell captured that phenomenon in his famous painting: http://www.allposters.com/gallery.asp?startat=/getposter.asp&APNum=2110546&CID=699A9BDA0A494766A6213EF97DE13014&PPID=1&search=Norman%20Rockwell&f=c&FindID=27805&P=1&PP=30&sortby=PD&cname=Norman+Rockwell&SearchID=
Certainly I look at other people's bodies with ranges of human responses from simple observation to types of sexual desire. As an adult, I manage these responses whether I'm clothed or not. I am not gay, but that does not mean I don't admire another nude body man or woman. I basically practice nudism in my home and garden.
Pure nudism, unpolluted by voyeruism and sexuality, is simple and free.
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| freecospirit |
Posted - 07/29/2009 : 12:42:22 PM
I can identify with many of the comments desertnude has nude made except that I am definitely not gay. I first tried beach nudity on a Cretian beach near Vai more or less by chance. I had for sometime been curious about naturism not really understanding why any sane person should want to go naked in public. Anyway my wife and I stumbled on this beach with a crudely written sign "Nude Beach". On the beach there was a single nude man (German I think), and one clothed middle aged couple. We selected a spot away from the others and close to the sea for swimming, we nervously removed our clothes. What I had not expected was the amazing difference in feeling between wearing a brief pair of speedos and nothing at all; it felt so much better to be completely nude. A few other people all clothed walked along the beach and at first we covered ourselves or lay on our fronts, nobody passing gave us a second glance even when we lay face up no-one seemed to take any notice. After a while another couple chose a part of the beach well away from the sea; the man first came towards the sea wearing shorts which he took off just before entering the water and a minute or so later his wife came strutting down the full length of the beach totally nude and looking really proud of the fact. Since that day we have been to a lot of CO beaches in different countries going nude whenever we can. I find that I enjoy being nude so much that I strip off as soon as we pass the beach boundary and stay nude until we reach boundary coming off the beach. I found that like the lady on the Cretian beach (who had a much better body than mine) I too am a bit of an exhibitionist. On clothing optional beaches where there are clothed people amongst us some of whom have never gone nude in their lives I think "You really don't know what you're missing; it really is so very much better to go nude" that makes me feel just a little bit smug.
G. |
| desertnude |
Posted - 07/01/2009 : 8:53:23 PM
I don't have enough time to read the whole thread but do anyway. I agree with many, drop the "true" and just take off your clothes! The first time I went to a nude beach (FKK Strand in Germany) I have to admit I had a strong voyeuristic motive. I was already a "nudist" by lifestyle but didn't realize it. I hate clothing I eschew Dior and Calvin Klein ads. As teenagers how many of us didn't sneak off to the library (o.k., I'm dating myself, internet now) to view nude photos in art books etc., that is simply the sexual nature we all have. Just because I can appreciate a beautiful body, male or female, while on the beach or at a club doesn't mean I am not a nudist. (yes I have noted in this thread that men cannot admit to finding other male bodies attractive). I am not good looking but appreciate people seeing me nude. So I am a voyeur and an exhibitionist AND a nudist. How many of us, if given the choice, would move to a country where we never again had to wear clothing. I would. Unfortunately, as a single male, not to mention being Gay, I would be forbidden from entering such a country! I reject any ideas that define nudity, wear jewelry, wear make-up and please wear sandals in the hot sand! I am used to being descriminated against, so put limits were you will, but I AM A NUDIST and everyone I know knows it and I am not ashamed.
Michael |
| Insomniac007 |
Posted - 06/27/2009 : 12:26:54 PM
..By " don't do anything to harm anyone else ." , I guess I was mainly thinking of being mindful that the mere existance of naturist locales is in some places threatened so one should avoid making it easier for someone to make 'a case' against the location.
Also to a degree one should be observant and try to allow for other people's levels of comfort and try to act so as not to spoil their experience of the naturist location.
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| FlCpl4NewdFun |
Posted - 06/26/2009 : 7:34:26 PM
For the record, I am no longer confused! |
| VLM34 |
Posted - 06/26/2009 : 05:28:32 AM
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Originally posted by Insomniac007
...just experience it and don't do anything to harm anyone else.
Who decides what qualifies as harm, and when is that decision made? |
| Insomniac007 |
Posted - 06/26/2009 : 12:32:30 AM
Relatively new member here but my wife and I have long enjoyed being naked in nature be it on the beach or sunning on our deck or like a few hours ago swimming naked off the dock at dusk . We will have been married 28 years in a few weeks and our first outdoor nudity was probably 31 years ago . My addition to the above thread is that we have never looked upon our nudity as being part of a religion, political statement, or anything else that has a 'code' that has to be followed by 'true members' ... The experience varies with circumstance and our moods ...comfort, freedom, luxury, exhibitionism, voyeurism, return to childhood , and a dozen other things are all part of it with the emphasis changing with each experience ... you can analyse it to death ..so don't ...just experience it and don't do anything to harm anyone else . |
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