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| Bill Bowser |
Posted - 09/11/2010 : 5:47:42 PM
I know that many members here were also members at SkinBook (SB), who probably are aware of what I'm about to say.
A few weeks ago the folks who hosted the SB website (Ning) decided that nudism was not acceptable and informed those who managed SB that they were no longer welcome. After a couple of failed attempts to move SB to another host it was decided to essentially create a new independent website for SB. That website started accepting members sometime last night or this morning. It seemed that we were back in business, but this afternoon I received the following e-mail and SB has vanished.
It is with much regret that I have come to the decision to bring Skinbook to an end.
After all the effort (and money) we have put into saving the Skinbook network; the complaining, negativity, abuse and general lack of support we have recieved from our users has been quite frankly, disgusting... I am no longer prepared to provide the Skinbook network to any members past or present.
As much as we have attempted over the past couple of years to bring together the naturist community and give the naturist lifestyle a positive public image, the treatment of my team here at Skinbook has finally made it clear (to myself at least) why this lifestyle is both fragmented from within and ostracized from without. What you take this to mean is up to you to speculate individually. For me this revelation doesn't require an explination, it requires merely a reaction; my reaction being that from now on I see fit only to completely distance myself from this lifestyle (from both a philosophical and physical stand point) and most certainly from ANY medium which serves to promote it.
Good luck in your quests to find unity within your chosen lifestyle... you need it!
Karl Maddocks
For the purpose of legal matters we would like to make clear that we retain all rights to the Skinbook name, logo and any other associated media.
I have no idea what happened to cause Karl to write this, but it certainly is a sad commentary on us naturists. We can't afford to lose what few resources we have. SB was a great forum, just like this one. I'm sure those of you who were SB members will miss it as much as I do.
Bill Bowser - Cincinnati
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| nude charles |
Posted - 09/26/2010 : 7:50:41 PM
Well Admin, here is my take. The two sites we are discussing are distinctly different. This site is devoted to discussion forums, whereas skinbook was devoted to pictures and videos (repeat - this is my take). I never saw any conflict between the two sites. And yes, there were some 18,000 photos on skinbook. |
| Bill Bowser |
Posted - 09/26/2010 : 7:26:27 PM
When I started this topic I wasn't expecting it to morph into a diatribe about a former moderator. I was hoping for those of us who were also members of SkinBook to discuss what we liked about that website. Then Kevin tried to put the discussion back on track, but it stalled. Apparently no one is interested. Trying to continue here is pointless.
Everyone please return to your discussions about shaving and unexpected erections; there's nothing to see here.
Bill Bowser - Cincinnati
Nudists are everywhere, but they're hard to identify with their clothes on. |
| Admin |
Posted - 09/24/2010 : 6:04:12 PM
Guys, thanks for being considerate with old, divisive subjects.
Since we're talking about SkinBook, I was wondering what were the differences between that forum and this one?
I spent practically zero time there. I understand there were thousands of photos. We'll probably never host thousands of photos. But are there other characteristics we could continue here?
How did the policies of SkinBook differ from NRO? |
| sailawaybob |
Posted - 09/22/2010 : 9:24:33 PM
skinbook was ok but i always seemed to have trouble navigating it but it was a site much like this that promoted nudism in a positive way... |
| Ace |
Posted - 09/20/2010 : 4:17:57 PM
From my personal experience dealing with this lady first hand all I can say is nothing but negative came from her mouth and I will leave it at that...
If God wanted us naked we would have been born that way. |
| FlCpl4NewdFun |
Posted - 09/16/2010 : 11:34:36 PM
Thanks SunTanMan you've articulated what I apparently could not. My "personal attack" was clearly about her actions as a moderator. In a topic about skinbook it is perfectly legit to point out that a moderator that was banned from NRO was also banned from Skinbook for the same behavior. (plus, I believe I said it was a side bar, hello!)
It was NOT an attack on her as a person or her "stand on naturism" as FireProf claims. Seriously guys, your acting as if I claimed she is a horrible mother and beats her dog with a pipe. I'm sure she's none of the above and quite the pleasant lady in person. but, for the record, I could care less what her "stand on naturism" is, we all interact with countless people on a daily basis that hold different opinions than our own.
However, I do admit it WAS 100% an attack on her actions as a moderator, one would have to be oblivious not to catch the intentional jab. It was in the context of skinbook shutting down and I stand by it because in my opinion (which by the way is what a forum post is) accurately reflects her behavior as a moderator, nothing more nothing less. Don't you think if I would have wanted to lodge a "personal attack" on her I would have already done so in the past few years she's been off this site? Of course I've held that opinion for a few years, but there was never a reason or justification to include it in a post. In this circumstance there was. I didn't originate the post, I just replied and it was relevant to the topic. So please, spare me the ethics lectures.
One question, why didn't you guys take offense to me calling Mr. Maddocks a D-Bag? Let's be honest, it's not the critique itself you have an issue with, it's the one be critiqued. At this point I'm going to spare you the many clichés about the shoe fitting, the truth hurting, and the pot using racial epithets against the kettle.
Cheers!
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| SunTanMan |
Posted - 09/16/2010 : 1:23:36 PM
I don't have a dog in this fight but am very curious as to why two "members" of NRO would rat pack a current "member" of NRO because that "member" made a comment about someone who is no longer a "member" of NRO and is in fact no longer a "member" of the afore mentioned skinbook which is no longer in existence.
If FLCpl had made an inflammatory comment about a current member, I could see where the other members might be correct in putting in their 2 cents but I took FLCpl's comment to be regarding the banning of a moderator from NRO and that same moderator being banned from SB and then soon after that site being closed on what appears to be adverse circumstances.
Do as you please but I think you two guys owe FLCpl a public apology.
STM
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| JackNeilson |
Posted - 09/16/2010 : 12:10:32 PM
OK. I don't consider myself an "authority" and perhaps I would amend that statement to read as follows:
Fair play would indicate that FireProf is completely correct in his statement re the integrity of the member and the rather snide remarks you made concerning her. What you may consider over-moderation on Skinbook has absolutely no bearing on their decision to close the site.
Your comment was indeed a personal attack. Perhaps you didn't name names but the moderator is well known to a great many nudists and her identity would immediately be obvious to many due to context. Except for that paragraph your post related to the subject at hand but that gratuitous remark detracted from it and from your further remark in reply "My post was clearly directed at nudism's good friend Mr. Maddocks." |
| FireProf |
Posted - 09/16/2010 : 09:30:53 AM
quote:
Originally posted by FlCpl4NewdFun
Well Jack - Glad to see you've bestowed upon yourself unilateral authority to dictate who's "completely correct."
Man, you and the Fireprof need to take a chill pill step-back for a second and reread my post. I didn't say she or her over moderation caused the demise of Skinbook. My post was clearly directed at nudism's good friend Mr. Maddocks.
Albeit, I did have a clearly facetious sidebar reminiscing about some forum events of the past, which apparently was taken way more seriously than its intent. Of course I knew some would take offense to the comment, I also knew many would see the humor (just as my wife did when she walked in a moment ago and read my original post and started laughing out loud) but hey what can you do, C'est La Vie!
Now if you'll excuse me I have to go read some posts about shaving and erections. By the way, what is this Skinbook thing anyway?
Cheers!
So.... what does this part of your post mean if you weren't talking about or attacking her stand on naturism? Yes this thread is about Skinbook and it's demise had NOTHING to do with this particular female member/moderator...so why bring that up? Why go through the trouble of writing this paragraph if you were speaking only of Mr. Maddocks. This part of your post contradicts your statement that your post was "... clearly directed at nudism's good friend Mr. Maddocks."
"Besides, from what I understand, Skinbook had a certain moderator that thought she was God's gift to nudism and the know-all and end-all for how nudists should behave and what they should say and post, and how they should act. Hmmm, didn't something similar happen on this forum some time back with a certain moderator? Bizarre coincidence I suppose."
Chill pill????.....No comment |
| FlCpl4NewdFun |
Posted - 09/15/2010 : 7:42:38 PM
Well Jack - Glad to see you've bestowed upon yourself unilateral authority to dictate who's "completely correct."
Man, you and the Fireprof need to take a chill pill step-back for a second and reread my post. I didn't say she or her over moderation caused the demise of Skinbook. My post was clearly directed at nudism's good friend Mr. Maddocks.
Albeit, I did have a clearly facetious sidebar reminiscing about some forum events of the past, which apparently was taken way more seriously than its intent. Of course I knew some would take offense to the comment, I also knew many would see the humor (just as my wife did when she walked in a moment ago and read my original post and started laughing out loud) but hey what can you do, C'est La Vie!
Now if you'll excuse me I have to go read some posts about shaving and erections. By the way, what is this Skinbook thing anyway?
Cheers! |
| JackNeilson |
Posted - 09/14/2010 : 9:30:24 PM
quote:
Originally posted by FlCpl4NewdFun
Besides, from what I understand, Skinbook had a certain moderator that thought she was God's gift to nudism and the know-all and end-all for how nudists should behave and what they should say and post, and how they should act.
quote:
Originally posted by FireProf
That member has been involved in naturism longer than many of those here...combined. That member has stood before college students, civic groups, clubs and more non nudists than anyone here has ever done and openly discussed this lifestyle without hiding behind a handle or computer screen.
Just because this member's philosophy and yours doesn't mesh...doesn't mean they don't have the right to their opinion.
If you don't agree...then just state you don't agree but let's not drag this member and any other members through the mud that happen to agree with this member!
FireProf is completely correct in his statement re the integrity of the member and the rather snide remarks you made concerning her. What you may consider over-moderation on Skinbook has absolutely no bearing on their decision to close the site. |
| nude charles |
Posted - 09/14/2010 : 4:34:11 PM
This is a good discussion; but in my opinion, the new skinbook network failed to replicate the "ning"; especially about the 18,000 pictures we all treasured. And then some videos, also. Ok; two cents worth done. |
| FireProf |
Posted - 09/14/2010 : 2:35:47 PM
I think it's unfair and a bit cowardess to begin to bash a former member of this site when they aren't here to defend themselves.
That member has been involved in naturism longer than many of those here...combined. That member has stood before college students, civic groups, clubs and more non nudists than anyone here has ever done and openly discussed this lifestyle without hiding behind a handle or computer screen.
Just because this member's philosophy and yours doesn't mesh...doesn't mean they don't have the right to their opinion.
If you don't agree...then just state you don't agree but let's not drag this member and any other members through the mud that happen to agree with this member!
I was also a member of Skinbook and given all the rules, do's and don'ts when I joined...just like many of you. They wanted to start out vanilla and asked some prominent people to moderate. They moderated, owners/admin got emails stating that they were going to lose members to the vanilla format...they compromised what they started out with and, I think, lost members and a good moderator because of that. That's my opinion.
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| Balto Bob |
Posted - 09/14/2010 : 1:57:25 PM
I'm guessing that he learded how hard it is to run a forum. KEVIN (aka,ADMIM) hasn't posted anything but, I'll THANK him anyway.
Bob
Have a nice NUDE day !!
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| SunTanMan |
Posted - 09/14/2010 : 12:21:28 PM
Here's a link to some related post about SB if anyone is interested.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.nude/browse_thread/thread/9b622985c9960def/a98c97e6bdcd3a47?lnk=raot
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