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| ItsAlrightMa |
Posted - 06/01/2007 : 5:33:55 PM
...is that it is too square. When I discovered that there was a massive world-wide naturist culture, I was absolutely estatic. I thought it meant that there were organized people out there who held the same spiritual beliefs that I do.
But then over the following weeks I learned about what it "really" is, and I became distraught. If you ask me, this naturist movement is taking one step forward and one step backward, ending up exactly as square as before. I read that erections are considered obscene. That doesn't make sense to me. You want us to feel at home in our own skin... but certain things our skin does is still horrible and uncouth? I'm not looking for a Rush Limbaugh version of nudism, whatever happened to the free-thinking philosophies of the 1960s?
The point of nudist resorts is to just go and act completely normal but to not be wearing clothes, and you're not even supposed to notice people's bodies. That's considered high-culture nudism. But I don't get it. Yes, I agree that people should be able to not wear clothes if they want to because we as a society should be mature enough to deal with that. Yes, I agree that clothes can be an unwanted burden and there's nothing sexual about that. But if you're not getting a thrill from taking off your clothes and hanging out with a bunch of people, you could just be naked in your own home. I'm sure there are plenty of people who get a lot of good out of this movement, but paying for a nudist retreat seems like a waste to me when the only thing you're recieving is the very mild extra comfort of not wearing clothes. I'm not going to go to nudist a retreat just to act normal and pretend I'm not interested.
This is just my feeling about it. Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that these places exist. But they do seem kind of pointless to me. If somebody might point me in the direction of some places that aren't so family-oriented? I don't consider it to be lewd, I don't consider it to be disgraceful, I consider it to be pure humanity and the ultimate wholesomeness. Sexuality is what makes me what I am, and there isn't the slightest shred of "badness" in my sexuality.
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| Warmskin |
Posted - 07/01/2014 : 5:05:28 PM
Interesting point, Bob. I suppose that is why America is made up of states that came from different people with different thinking. Some states my by more affected by Muslim thinking than others. I believe Michigan, for some reason, is a place they prefer to live in to some extent. Michigan could become an anti-nudist state in the future, if the trend holds.
The same was true, in a parallel way, when people of different faiths settled in their own areas in the beginning of the American colonies. Customs, theology, habits, preferences were different in each colony. I.e., folks of like mind settled together where they could live harmoniously with each other. Thus our states developed, but then you knew that!
That is the beauty of America - the states, wherein you can create your own laws as long as they do not violate the US Constitution.
My hope for nudism is that it can flourish in some states. My fear is that a neo-Victorianism could establish itself through the federal gov't, and prohibit nudism. Not likely, but you never know. Also, my fear is that nudism won't be as popular in the future as it was years ago.
Less popularity means some nudist resorts closing down. I'm no Nostradamus, but I try to look at current events and project into the future.
If the younger generation does not like organized nudism, we could hope their kids will rebel against their parents and join nudist resorts in droves. The millenial generation seems not to join organized groups such as churches, and nudist resorts, or other things like that. Boy, what a combination, churches and nudist resorts. These two institutions seem to be dominated by older people.
However, I have seen a lot of younger people nude at nude beaches, which of course is not organized by us "older" people. One of my favorite Sierra Nevada river beach is loaded with younger people trying out nudism, and liking it. That is a good sign. They have discovered life is not all cell phone texting and Dancing with the Stars.
To NaturistDoc's point, I agree, we should be free thinkers, but with respect for other people and their property. America is all about free thinking, or should be. That is the original nature of our nation's purpose. Too many folks become mere mindless imitations of each other. Nudism, to me, is a hallmark of free thinking, although you'll find way too many conformists and cliques at nudist resorts.
I would love to go to a nudist resort where management has a way to break up cliques, just as one would break up billiard balls on the first shot in a game of pool. The cliques, to me, are something to fear about nudism. They send a message, unspoken in nature, that new people do not belong at that nudist resort. It's funny how resort ads show everyone being group minded, but when you get to the resort, it just is not that way.
Still, I go to nudist resort and hope for a fun day. If I don't feel like driving all the way to the Sierra Nevada, and on its back roads to get to a popular nudist spot, then I go to the resorts. I find though that some seniors at resorts are easier to talk with if they have sufficient social skills. This is a happy alternative hanging out with nudists who cannot not expand their social circles comfortably (cliques).
But then, I'm the idealist.
“I rise early almost every morning and sit in my chamber, without any clothes whatever, half an hour or an hour, according to the season, either reading or writing.”
Ben Franklin
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| gnarlyoldman |
Posted - 06/20/2014 : 12:03:20 PM
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Originally posted by nudesunguy
Yeah, what happened to places like Berkeley? The people still have liberal politics and smoke a lot of dope, but when it comes to nudity they are so much more uptight than past generations. This is what worries me about nudism; it seems to be dying out. It used to be "hip" and "in," and now it seems a lot of people view it as simply "weird." It's almost like it's become fashionable to be ashamed of one's body. I've also noticed on some of the nude beaches the younger people wear bathing suits! What the heck happened to youthful spirit? Hell, when I was in college I once saw my philosophy professor nude with her family at an improvised nude beach. Nowadays even the students won't get nude. I've noticed on several nude beaches in America that many of the people are foreigners; either visitors or living here now.
I've noticed that too and I've wondered if it has anything to do with Islam moving into many other nations. Muslims are very afraid of bodies and want women totally covered.
Bob
Naked is green. |
| nudesunguy |
Posted - 01/22/2013 : 11:52:05 PM
Yeah, what happened to places like Berkeley? The people still have liberal politics and smoke a lot of dope, but when it comes to nudity they are so much more uptight than past generations. This is what worries me about nudism; it seems to be dying out. It used to be "hip" and "in," and now it seems a lot of people view it as simply "weird." It's almost like it's become fashionable to be ashamed of one's body. I've also noticed on some of the nude beaches the younger people wear bathing suits! What the heck happened to youthful spirit? Hell, when I was in college I once saw my philosophy professor nude with her family at an improvised nude beach. Nowadays even the students won't get nude. I've noticed on several nude beaches in America that many of the people are foreigners; either visitors or living here now.
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| Warmskin |
Posted - 01/21/2013 : 04:43:55 AM
I don't think that nudist resorts have changed their spots, but nudism is more a reflection on the social fabric of the day.
I was sold on being nude outdoors a long time ago, but as a young man, I found it intimidating to ever visit a nudist resort. The idea in my head in those days was that I would "freak out," if I went to one. Also, being nude back in the early 60s, was something that never came up in polite conversation.
As the 60s unfolded, nudity became more popular among the younger folks (flower children). I think their nudity within the city limits was more faddish. I grew up in Berkeley, CA, and believe me, I knew all about youthful nudity. I never bought into the utopia nonsense, but was secretly sharing their love of nudity. You could see nude people sitting on fire escapes during the warmer parts of the year. People's Park near downtown Berkeley featured many nude people a lot of the time. Oddly enough, Berkeley had a Republican mayor in a good portion of those times!!
I recently went to Berkeley, just out of curiosity, and boy has it changed. The people there are quite the opposite of what they were back in the 60s. They are conformists, not very happly looking, cold, i.e., nothing at llke they used to be. They are still as liberal in their politics, though. Interestingly enough, conservatives are more okay with nudism, judging by Berkeley social standards. I say that by using nudist resort attendees as a standard. There may still be some wanna-be flower kids around, but they're the older generation.
And then, we have our techie-laden younger folks, for whom a human body is a weird biological blob that runs counter to their pristine techie toys. Time changes everything, and the youth of today are different from the youth of the past, but that is stating the obvious.
The nudist resort concept is still the same. The main concern is really more what is going on in the outside world, if I may put it that way. Attitudes have changed considerably.
What worries me about nudism is the instability and faddishness of people in all walks of life. What worries me is the forcing of laws down out throats where laws need not exist, as in reasonable nudity in places other than the home, with the curtains drawn. Finally, what worries me is the aggregage attitude about nudity among the people. I'm worried that we are seen only as objects of mere public funcationality, and not of simply being natural beings, or as much as our free time allows.
When we think about it, the human mind is quite powerful, but not always lucid.
“I rise early almost every morning and sit in my chamber, without any clothes whatever, half an hour or an hour, according to the season, either reading or writing.”
Ben Franklin
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| FireProf |
Posted - 01/20/2013 : 12:35:40 AM
One of the things that "guys" need to figure out, single or married, is that women visiting a nude venue alone, may just want to be left alone. NOT ALL women are like the one you mentioned, renobiker, but it is common for this to happen. I typically don't start a conversation with women visiting the club alone. I am friendly and cordial, say "hello" but then leave it at that. Usually, "they" start the conversation and then we have a nice chat but if they don't ... I don't go outta my way to be friendly to them. It's one of those misconceptions of nudism. Friendly people are friendly people. Non friendly people are non friendly and just because you take you clothes off and are a nudist, it doesn't automatically make you more friendly then the person who isn't a nudist. It's not right, it's rude but ... it's a fact of this lifestyle that many nudists, young, middle aged and older, are suspecious of newbie nudists. It's a guilty til proven innocent situation.
It's evident almost everywhere you visit. Some of those at our club treated me like I had a Perv sign around my neck when I first started visiting. Those same women and men are now coming over and saying "hi", giving hugs, wanna be your best friend. What happened? I didn't change, they just got used to seeing me and figured ... I was there for the right reasons, even though I NEVER gave them a reason to think otherwise. Another example: when the Prof started to visit on a regular basis, this guy came coming over by us, making sure to say "hi" and seemed to be making the pass, in front of our lounges, just a bit too often for my taste. I kinda gave him a stearn look and he stopped. Later, come to find out he's this woman's husband that we became friendly with. She's is the cutest southern belle but ... he's not so friendly. He remembers how he was treated by me and the Prof. We've since talked and apologized. He's accepted our apology and we talked in length about this situation and he understands ... but they've live in this nudist environment for so long ... they seem to have forgotten how they treated people in the beginning. It's better now and we are less ... suspect of others but still aren't accepting of everyone from the get go. It's just not that type of lifestyle where you are automatically trusting just cuz you're a nudist.
Loves being naked. Plays well with others! |
| n/a |
Posted - 01/19/2013 : 10:54:26 AM
Fireprof--I am now 35 but when I was younger my view about nudism etc was just to be accepted by those older then me. I think that is the barrier maybe that anyone over age 40 for example might see nudists under say 25 as just trying to get cheap thrills etc. I recall a visit to Cypress Cove in florida when I began being socially nude and I was there alone and younger well in my 20's and I would be nice to everyone I saw, I noticed a woman sunning reading a book about a comedian that I too liked so I would just ask "Is that a good book?" To break the ice a bit and show her I wasnt some pervy young adult at the pool. We did have a short conversation overall by her chair then in the pool but I kept feeling that inside she was thinking, "Stupid young kids, dont belong here" which to me if this was her thought it was bit hypocritical being she might have been mid 30's. But I digress...I see that as a big hurdle is the age groups into nudism not accepting each other. |
| NaturistDoc |
Posted - 01/16/2013 : 3:11:35 PM
Sheesh, Bob. You're kinda ... sensitive, aren't you? If you read my post, you'll find I neither insulted nor disagreed with you. I have wasted countless terabytes of my own mental bandwidth here, but then again I actually GO to nudist resorts. |
| Bob Knows |
Posted - 01/16/2013 : 11:14:56 AM
Uh, Doc. The title on my page header is "Talk About Nudism." If you disagree with someone's opinion and have something valid to say you are welcome to speak your peace. I hope your comment "waste your mental bandwidth" wasn't intended to be insulting as it appeared to be. Lets keep it friendly.
Bob
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| FireProf |
Posted - 01/15/2013 : 7:34:26 PM
What worries me about nudism;
The "younger" generation of nudists is what worries me. There is plenty to be angry about with the status quo of our organizations and the stagnant progress of our growth as a community.
First, we need to define the "younger" generation and those that supposedly make up the entirety of nudism ( the fuddies). Who is the younger generation 20-30? What of the 40 year olds? Where are they? Where do they stand? With the 20-30 yr olds or the 50 and above? 40 yr olds, 50 yr olds and many 60 yr olds all feel they are young thinking and progressive but does the "younger" generation of nudists automatically lump them all into the "fuddy" generation?
It's been a proven fact that this "younger" generation isn't into join organizations. It's a proven fact that many of the 20-30 yr olds, nudists or not, don't care for rules, standards, guidelines and many resist andy or all authority. Belonging to a organization, paying dues and following philosophies are not in their makeup.
So, why is it that they are so concerned about the status quo and no changes ... if they are unwilling to join and make the changes? Complaining on a naturist forum does nothing to institute change. Younger nudists MUST join clubs, MUST join the organizations, get involved and make changes from the inside and not on the pages of message boards, naturist websites and blogs.
I look forward to the changes that the younger generation of nudists want but ... the older/fuddy nudists are NOT going to institute those changes for them. They have to be willing to do it themselves.
Loves being naked. Plays well with others! |
| NaturistDoc |
Posted - 01/15/2013 : 5:59:38 PM
Bob, I'm puzzled. You say "I don't go to "nude" resorts any more, haven't in some years." If that's the case, it's hard to understand your continued interest in a forum titled "Nudist-Resorts.org". You're obviously a person of strong opinions, which is fine, but why do you waste your mental bandwidth on a forum dedicated to resorts you have no interest in visiting? I don't get it. |
| Bob Knows |
Posted - 01/14/2013 : 9:54:14 PM
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Originally posted by WyldspringNudist
You know, I consider myself to be a hedonist. I am a pagan priest who worships the god Dionysus. We like sex and drinking wine in the woods, divine madness, and most things "hedonistic" I am also a nudist. Does this make me unacceptable to the general nudist community? Not sure. I do know I do not enforce my lifestyle on others so watch it before you insult us "hedonist," there are more of us than not and clubs run on money as well as people.
I'm with you entirely on this WyldspringNudist. All acts of love and pleasure are sacred, and even better done naked. I'm glad ItsAlrightMa started this topic, and several others have been supporting. Resort "nudism" is much too square and not going anywhere that I want to attend. So are several of the self appointed "nudist" police.
They wave their bogus mantra of "family oriented" while catering 99% to the over 50 crowd that only has grown kids. They just use the phrase "family oriented" to blame their anti-body prejudice on "for the children" rather than taking responsibility for their own stuff. Resort promoters don't want naked to become acceptable in general because they have a vested interest in allowing nude people only behind very limited fences for a price paid to them.
Many promote a high degree of misandry, constantly criticizing men for one reason or another. They wasted no time in jumping on this topic to criticize and complain. Frankly I am frequently offended by their offensive behavior on this forum and at resorts. I don't go to "nude" resorts any more, haven't in some years. "Square" isn't even the half of it.
In the end they have driven off most families that they pretend to focus on. Young men and women, fathers and mothers, don't need their harangue or their old fuddy attitudes.
Its kind of a shame. They could be a vanguard of promoting acceptance of nudity, but they won't. Real nudists will eventually leave them behind where they belong.
Bob Knows |
| n/a |
Posted - 01/14/2013 : 06:51:12 AM
I agree with the idea that is one step forward and back at same time, I got into nudism when I was around 19 I am 35 now and I can not go nude anymore now just as openly as I could at 19. The groups who can help make this lifestyle choice more mainstream and in the public eye such as AANR,TNS etc are not taking the steps to do it. Advertising in nudist resorts does not help it, you need to advertise in public places , in magazines that younger adults read. The normal media if were lucky might do one story a year saying that due to survey that 55% of people would enjoy trying a nude vacation, big deal! |
| nudesunguy |
Posted - 01/03/2010 : 12:02:33 PM
"you're not even supposed to notice people's bodies."
Of course everybody notices people's bodies. But just as in clothed society, you don't comment on them. You don't go up to clothed strangers and say, "Wow, lady, you've got big tits." Or "Sir, you sure are fat."
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| go n nude |
Posted - 12/22/2008 : 10:58:28 AM
The way some members treat female participants here,they being truely a minority here deserve RESPECT,their opinions really do make this a forum, whether or not we agree.
Locker room mantality isn't their desire here,as we've witnessed they won't/don't tolerate insults,who would. That worries me. A miniority that gets smaller is a concern for everyone here, and this lifestyle as a whole.
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| Warmskin |
Posted - 10/26/2008 : 11:27:12 PM
Nudism is square?? Let's see. I know, we'll ask all your very conservative friends and acquaintances to go with us to a nudist resort! What? They won't go? But, I thought that nudism is square. Conservative people like conformity and being square. Hmmmm. That isn't logical thinking.
Walking around nude outside one's home is not conventional, at least in the USA. Maybe nudism is a very different approach to modern-day life, much different from the norm in America.
All this makes us swerve uncontrollably into the conclusion that nudism is not square, and instead quite a radical departure from the normal day of a textile person's life.
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