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| ETrainer |
Posted - 11/06/2008 : 11:00:30 AM
Congratulations to Barack Obama for his election to be the next US President. Best of luck to him.
Does anyone know any information on Obama's view's of the Naturist community? Would he be a supporter or an opponent the the nudist lifestyle?
Keep in mind, I am not intending this to be a discussion of whether Obama is qualified or not and I'm not asking for any personal opinions about Obama or McCain.
Be safe! Be bare! |
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| Warmskin |
Posted - 11/11/2008 : 6:42:49 PM
Pardon my cynicism, but no modern politicians move back toward the US Constitution. If they did, they'd be ridiculed publicly.
If the constitution were strictly followed, the people would have their rights back, the Congress would filled with a more humble people, the executive branch would be a rather small office, and the judges wouldn't read so much into the constitution that wasn't there. There would be so much virtue in Washington DC that we wouldn't recognize the place, snd nudists would have more rights and privileges.
That government governs best, which governs least - Thomas Jefferson |
| Bare Warrior |
Posted - 11/11/2008 : 4:33:24 PM
CopperQuail,
What's your point? Mistakes can't be corrected? Past wrongs must never be forgiven?
Explain to me how the powerless gained power then? It was that very constitution and the people who make it live that eventually brought about justice. Also don't forget that all races played a role in supporting slavery, yes all. And all peoples have at one time or another been subject to slavery, just as there are people, of all colors, subject to slavery even today.
If we can't forgive, then we are doomed to continual hatred and bloodshed. All have committed injustice and those who try to overcome injustice deserve forgiveness.
Bare Warrior
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| CopperQuail |
Posted - 11/10/2008 : 10:44:33 PM
200,000 white Americans died to keep the northern states in power. Freeing the slaves was just a secondary effect. It was a white Supreme Court that declared slaves to be property. The constitution declared slaves to be worth 3/5ths of a person.
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| Bare Warrior |
Posted - 11/10/2008 : 7:37:07 PM
Copperquail,
It didn't take black people 143 years to elect the first black president, it took American's 143 years to elect the first black president. Black's make up 13 percent of the American population yet 52% of the people, of all colors and backgrounds, elected Obama president. Don't forget that over 200,000 white Americans died to free the slaves, and it was white Supreme Court Justices, and white Attorney Generals that enforced the law the justices passed down.
We "ALL" should be proud of the fact that we all struggled against human imperfection and elected a person of color president. Thats what makes this country Great, we strive for perfection, we strive for justice and we strive for equality even though we know we will never get there and that we will make mistakes along the way.
I pray that this election is one more step toward the dream the Constitution set out to accomplish.
Bare Warrior
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| Warmskin |
Posted - 11/08/2008 : 2:26:07 PM
Ron Paul, the true defender of the freedom concept in America, would have been the best for nudists. In addition, his being the only candidate who actually understands monetarism and the national economy, would have been a welcome relief.
I'm going to mention two distinctly different groups, so don't accuse me of linking them, puleeease. Nudism is not as mainstream as we would like, so we can be seen as "those" people. Also, the call-girls in Nevada actually supported Ron Paul, because they believed he would advocate for the most personal freedom. Paul wasn't too keen on that type of profession. Nudists are hopefully freedom-oriented to want their personal freedom from clothes, and they should discover for themselves who the most freedom-loving candidate would have been.
Paul would have left all decisions to the local communities, wherein we could lobby, employ cogency on them, to secure nude beaches and portions of parks. I would have liked a federal proclamation that all beaches, parks, and forests be designated as nude, in part. However, that same force of government could be used against nudists, too. That's something party activists don't think about. They set up a government power and use that new authority. The opposition party also uses that new power, but to a way that empowers them. Power doesn't always help, and it can hurt.
Best solution, minimize the power of government, and leave it to the people and their local government critters to make the best decisions concerning nudity.
That government governs best, which governs least - Thomas Jefferson |
| FlCpl4NewdFun |
Posted - 11/08/2008 : 1:30:40 PM
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Originally posted by NaturistDoc
Upon further review ....
I re-read my earlier post and have concluded that the nation's problems are utterly insoluble. So why should Obama waste his time and talents bashing away at dismal matters like foreign policy and economics over which he has no control? Better to focus on more relevant issues. I urge Obama to drag Henry Kissinger out of mothballs and put him to work on some urgent shuttle diplomacy along Interstate 4 in Florida. If anyone can bring AANR and - - to the negotiating table, Henry's the man.
Doc you may just be on to something. Wasn't it the Germans who founded the modern naturist movement? Plus, deep down, everyone really knows it's the Republicans that truly support individual freedoms (they just don't admit it at cocktail parties). Besides, I can think of no better representative to dispel the myth that nudism is all about sex than a naked Kissinger.
Regarding your earlier post, c'mon us conservatives have 1 "Fair & Balanced" news channel as well as the totally irrelevant AM talk radio. You guys have every major network, almost all national newspapers and other print media, the entire Hollywood elite and celebrities (sans Bruce Willis, Chuck Norris, and a few guys who wear cowboy hats). |
| NaturistDoc |
Posted - 11/08/2008 : 12:30:14 PM
Upon further review ....
I re-read my earlier post and have concluded that the nation's problems are utterly insoluble. So why should Obama waste his time and talents bashing away at dismal matters like foreign policy and economics over which he has no control? Better to focus on more relevant issues. I urge Obama to drag Henry Kissinger out of mothballs and put him to work on some urgent shuttle diplomacy along Interstate 4 in Florida. If anyone can bring AANR and - - to the negotiating table, Henry's the man.
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| CopperQuail |
Posted - 11/08/2008 : 11:49:03 AM
Until we get a solid voting block no politician will ever listen to us. It took black people 143 years to elect a president. We should have a nudist president by 2151!
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| ETrainer |
Posted - 11/08/2008 : 09:23:27 AM
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Originally posted by NaturistDoc
Are you people high? I fervently hope that President Obama doesn't waste a single minute of his time musing on the pros and cons of social nudity. The poor bugger is going to find the Oval Office knee-deep in a big ol' steaming pile of ... well, let's just call it the Bush legacy. Maybe, just maybe, after he has had time to salvage the economy, sort out Iraq and Afghanistan, restore our tattered international credibility, devise some kind of rational health-care policy, rebuild the nation's neglected infrastructure, AND pay down the massive deficit, all while dodging 'friendly fire' from Fox News and their ilk ... maybe then he could go on "The View" and weigh in the Nudist lifestyle.
Nope, I've never smoked anything but a cigarette in my life. Maybe I should try some newly legal medicinal marijuana here in Michigan, though. I am well aware that there are many more important tasks for Obama to get his hands dirty with before such a trivial issue as Naturism. The "View" line was great!
Please keep in mind that I'm not pushing any agenda of my own. Just wanted to hear others' thoughts on the Naturist Obama (NatO) idea.
Be safe! Be bare! |
| thornapplebison |
Posted - 11/08/2008 : 07:17:20 AM
quote:
Originally posted by NaturistDoc
Are you people high? I fervently hope that President Obama doesn't waste a single minute of his time musing on the pros and cons of social nudity. The poor bugger is going to find the Oval Office knee-deep in a big ol' steaming pile of ... well, let's just call it the Bush legacy. Maybe, just maybe, after he has had time to salvage the economy, sort out Iraq and Afghanistan, restore our tattered international credibility, devise some kind of rational health-care policy, rebuild the nation's neglected infrastructure, AND pay down the massive deficit, all while dodging 'friendly fire' from Fox News and their ilk ... maybe then he could go on "The View" and weigh in the Nudist lifestyle.
So much agreed! We, as all people, tend to push our own agendas all out of proportion.
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| NaturistDoc |
Posted - 11/08/2008 : 01:33:05 AM
Are you people high? I fervently hope that President Obama doesn't waste a single minute of his time musing on the pros and cons of social nudity. The poor bugger is going to find the Oval Office knee-deep in a big ol' steaming pile of ... well, let's just call it the Bush legacy. Maybe, just maybe, after he has had time to salvage the economy, sort out Iraq and Afghanistan, restore our tattered international credibility, devise some kind of rational health-care policy, rebuild the nation's neglected infrastructure, AND pay down the massive deficit, all while dodging 'friendly fire' from Fox News and their ilk ... maybe then he could go on "The View" and weigh in the Nudist lifestyle.
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| Warmskin |
Posted - 11/07/2008 : 6:13:39 PM
Reply to VLM 34, who said,
"There are two problems with that quote. First, it logically reduces to "The very best of all governments governs not at all." Neither Jefferson nor any of the other founders believed that."
Pursuant to nudism, the lesser the amount of laws, the better for nudism. Your advocacy of increasing the amount of laws, leads to more tyranny. I don't see how nudism can flourish in a system wherein the freedoom of the mind and honorable action is partially prohibited in your paragon of many laws. That diminishes the possibility of nudism.
No, the founders were not anarchists, but they put heavy restraints on the power of government for very good reason - so you and I could have self-determination (free association), including the right to be nude in a social setting. Let's not advocate more and more laws, that will eventually be the undoing of nudism.
As the USA was set up, the states seem to be the giver and taker of nudist beaches, for instance, but they are local and much more approachable. So, in light of the thread topic, I don't see much change coming from Obama anent nudism, but I would keep tuned to your state, as they would be the ones we have waiting for, if I might steal an Obama quote. Possibly a consideration for Obama would be national forests and parks, regarding nudism.
That government governs best, which governs least - Thomas Jefferson |
| Little John |
Posted - 11/07/2008 : 12:08:20 PM
Hello from Texas,
I'm very new to nudism, but I have been reading some of the posts here and information on other sites. I worked with the Democratic Party in Fort Worth since the primaries last March. I believe that Mr. Obama will be all inclusive, meaning that he will not discriminate against people who are not harming others or forcing their agenda on others. From what I've read and learned recently about nudists, it's a live and let live world philosophy. Have fun but respect the rights of others. Hopefully this is the correct message that I have been getting. Pleaase correct me if I'm wrong.
Later,
Little John |
| thornapplebison |
Posted - 11/07/2008 : 02:08:14 AM
As much as I agree with you, VLM34, I think we're straying from the topic, here.
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| VLM34 |
Posted - 11/07/2008 : 01:34:51 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Warmskin
That government governs best, which governs least - Thomas Jefferson
There are two problems with that quote.
First, it logically reduces to "The very best of all governments governs not at all." Neither Jefferson nor any of the other founders believed that. They did, after all, produce a constitution to form a government that would actively govern.
Second, Jefferson almost certainly didn't say it. See, for example, http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/That_government_is_best_which_governs_least
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