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| AJ0127 |
Posted - 07/09/2008 : 7:57:59 PM
I want to ask forum members what their expectations are for naturist resorts. Are you willing to put up with inflated prices and often inferior quality for the right to be nude on the premises? My experiences with naturist resorts haven't been particularly good. Maybe, some of the forum members are aware of better resorts than the ones that I have visited. Please let me know of any naturist resorts which provide quality of service comparable to textile resorts at reasonable market prices. Alternatively, please share your stories of poor service and inflated prices.
The thing I love about naturism is the freedom to be nude when it's appropriate. The thing I hate about naturism is being relegated to resorts which treat their guests poorly and compensate for it by overcharging them. 
What do you think?
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| bobski96 |
Posted - 03/10/2009 : 10:21:15 AM
Living here in mich. there is not any nude resorts like in Florida. I wish that we had better places to go to. I know that it would not make good busness sense to just have it opened just for a few months.
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| nude gardener |
Posted - 03/03/2009 : 1:40:59 PM
I don't know the details but I'm sure it is a pretty good bump. All the rental rooms were full last year and from what I understand they are pretty much booked already for July. Not to mention all the day fees that are generated. If gas prices stay down it will help the attendance. We had a good crowd last year but it didn't seem as big as three years ago. |
| slick214 |
Posted - 03/03/2009 : 08:16:15 AM
Nude Gardener: Last year TLR had 2 conventions and 1 scheduled for this year. How big is that for the bottom line?
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| BothCandK |
Posted - 03/02/2009 : 12:07:00 PM
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Originally posted by NorthEastUSA
My wife and I are both 34. We have been to nude beaches and we are trying to find a nice Nude club/resort to try in the North East. Let me tell you it is hard to find any information other then the basic, location amenity's and fees. With regular hotels/resorts I can get 100s of reviews from people that have been there. That doesn't seem to exist for nudist resorts. Since we have never been to one and we want to try one that is well kept. Its hard to find any information. I don't want to get turned off to nudist resort by ending up at one that is run down. Is there any place to find out more about the different clubs?
you may check www.tripadvisor.com for our report on abbot's glen in vermont... |
| nude gardener |
Posted - 03/02/2009 : 07:03:53 AM
I work part time at a resort here in Mi. As a result I have witnessed first hand how much is involved in keeping the resort open year round. The labor costs are much more than the members would imagine. Even this time of year we have two full time maintance people just keeping the pool/hot tub working, checking the wells daily, checking the drain fields and assorted other work. This year has been extremely cold and we have had several pipes freeze that require us to go below the frost line( ususally digging by hand) and working in holes that fill with ground water while we are working.
These costs all have to be recovered somehow and that is why it is so important to attract day visitors and the revenue they bring in. I am not an ownwer and do not see the finacials but I am sure that with the economy being what it is the profit margin has to be very low. I know that a lot of members grumble about rising fees but most do their part to ensure that we all can continue to enjoy all the amenities the resort offers us. |
| NudeAl |
Posted - 02/28/2009 : 11:11:07 AM
I for one am not thrilled by the costs of memberships but I understand that they are in a business that dosen't have much or any profit margin from what I can see. I know of one resort owner who bought his resort because his accountant said he needed to reduce his capital. Seriously the guy had too much money and had to find a tax shelter like a business that earned less than it cost to operate it. I don't know how he stays in business. I have paid in the past I will be paying again with out our supprot our way of life will whither and die. So even if it hurts me I am going to keep it up.
The woods are lovely, dark and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep. -- Robert Frost
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| lazarus |
Posted - 02/27/2009 : 6:35:39 PM
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Originally posted by PeterRiden
Your valuable observations are well received, Lazarus.
Good to see you back here, my friend..;-)
The most important point (and I have insisted on it quite strongly) is reflected in you rightly stating "I don't know of any KOA's that permit nudity. What you are paying for is the security of a place where nudity is permitted...,"
This is a difference I insist on as the major opportunity given to our friendly visitors as compared to general admission. And the other good point is that, once price lowered, you've experienced a negligible influx of people you may do good without.
Thanks for understanding the factual equation, my friend..;-)
I have
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
{TGB Conceptor}: http://www.the-grand-barn.com
Nice to be here, Peter.
Sometimes I think it would be nice for the average nudist to be on the other side of the counter for a season. It would give them an entirely new perspective on the business end of nudism.
Although I have run Lilly Valley for Jim the past 5 years, I have quite a bit of experience in the operation of camps. For twenty years, my family ran a fishing camp in Northern Ontario.
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| PeterRiden |
Posted - 02/27/2009 : 4:01:00 PM
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Originally posted by lazarus
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Originally posted by sailawaybob
lazarus I see your point that nudist resorts in some area have a limited amount of time to recoup their overhead even in the south some resorts are pretty vacant from September till spring but I just can't justify going camping at a resort that charges ground fees and camping fees that may cost me 30-50 dollars for a day when I can go to a KOA or most others for about $20.
I don't know of any KOA's that permit nudity. What you are paying for is the security of a place where nudity is permitted, and you are also,(unfortunately)paying the cost of being in a small market.
Boaters face the same costs.. with marina or yacht club mooring or dockage fees. Rather pricy in some areas. But the choice is leave your boat on shore, or pay the fees.
Your valuable observations are well received, Lazarus.
Good to see you back here, my friend..;-)
The most important point (and I have insisted on it quite strongly) is reflected in you rightly stating "I don't know of any KOA's that permit nudity. What you are paying for is the security of a place where nudity is permitted...,"
This is a difference I insist on as the major opportunity given to our friendly visitors as compared to general admission. And the other good point is that, once price lowered, you've experienced a negligible influx of people you may do good without.
Thanks for understanding the factual equation, my friend..;-)
I have
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
{TGB Conceptor}: http://www.the-grand-barn.com |
| lazarus |
Posted - 02/27/2009 : 12:32:30 PM
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Originally posted by AJ0127
Lazarus makes a good point about the limited market for nudist facilities. I understand that they have to cover their fixed costs, which can be considerable. However, I wanted to distinguish between member-supported nudist clubs and resorts such as Club Orient, etc. I found that the resorts were very expensive and didn't provide the amenities that non-nudist resorts were offering. As for campgrounds, perhaps the truly cost competitive places will find that they will get enough business to cover their fixed costs and even turn a profit.
I wish we could cover our fixed costs every year. If not for volunteers to do things such as landscaping, trail cleanup, fence repairs, and building maintenance, we could not survive. I know that this year, I have about 80' of fence to rebuild(thanks to winter gales), a pool that decided to spring a leak, and sundry other repairs to make before we even open. |
| lazarus |
Posted - 02/27/2009 : 12:28:16 PM
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Originally posted by sailawaybob
lazarus I see your point that nudist resorts in some area have a limited amount of time to recoup their overhead even in the south some resorts are pretty vacant from September till spring but I just can't justify going camping at a resort that charges ground fees and camping fees that may cost me 30-50 dollars for a day when I can go to a KOA or most others for about $20.
I don't know of any KOA's that permit nudity. What you are paying for is the security of a place where nudity is permitted, and you are also,(unfortunately)paying the cost of being in a small market.
Boaters face the same costs.. with marina or yacht club mooring or dockage fees. Rather pricy in some areas. But the choice is leave your boat on shore, or pay the fees. |
| AJ0127 |
Posted - 02/27/2009 : 07:20:42 AM
Lazarus makes a good point about the limited market for nudist facilities. I understand that they have to cover their fixed costs, which can be considerable. However, I wanted to distinguish between member-supported nudist clubs and resorts such as Club Orient, etc. I found that the resorts were very expensive and didn't provide the amenities that non-nudist resorts were offering. As for campgrounds, perhaps the truly cost competitive places will find that they will get enough business to cover their fixed costs and even turn a profit. |
| Warmskin |
Posted - 02/27/2009 : 01:41:59 AM
About being dissed, I get that wherever I go. Must be something about me or something. I found the rates to be reasonable at resort I frequent. I paid for a lower level of membership, and find that it's inexpensive in light of all the facilities I can use while I am there.
If I had a swimming pool, hot tub, exercise room, etc., etc., in my own home, I'd be paying more, a lot more than I do at the nudist place.
When you look the actual alternatives, a lot of nudist resorts start to look affordable.
"'Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world."
George Washington
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| sailawaybob |
Posted - 02/27/2009 : 12:09:07 AM
lazarus I see your point that nudist resorts in some area have a limited amount of time to recoup their overhead even in the south some resorts are pretty vacant from September till spring but I just can't justify going camping at a resort that charges ground fees and camping fees that may cost me 30-50 dollars for a day when I can go to a KOA or most others for about $20. I even thought years ago about how neat it would be to open a nudist resort till I talked to Evan Bell of Bell Acres ( Georgia) about the expense and income factor , I changed my mind fast. I relize that the charges may be justified but are people willing to pay it especially with the economy the way it is. And than you got federal parks even though primitive can be $5. - $10. and some even free. |
| lazarus |
Posted - 02/26/2009 : 3:01:10 PM
Having read this thread and seeing so many views on the cost of visiting a nudist club or resort, I thought I would put in my two cents on the issue.
Having managed a small nudist campground for the past 5 years, I have some idea of the costs involved, and the revenue that come in over a year.
In our area, the busy season(where one can anticipate generating 80% of the year's revenue) is from June til Labour Day. In other words, approximately 12 weeks. During that 12 weeks, the campground has to bring in the bulk of its revenue. Our operating costs are about $36000. Membership fees account for $6000, leaving $30000 to be made up by visitors, both day visitors and overnight campers, plus seasonal site fees. Seasonal site fees generate $3000, leaving $27000 to be earned.
$27000 divided by 84 days equals roughly $322 per day.
At our rates, that works out to approximately 12 visitors per day(if there is no rain at all throughout the summer season).
And that doesn't happen. Also, weekdays do not bring very many people out. Weekends are when the bulk of visitors arrive.
So, realistically you have to figure instead of 84 days, that you have 24 days to generate the bulk of your revenue. Which means, there has to be $1125 coming per day on the weekends.
That works out to be 45/day(assuming no rainy weekends). Last year, we had close to 50% rain outs on our weekends.
Now, as someone suggested, we could lower rates and attract more volume. Been there, done that, took the bath.
We dropped rates for 3 years by 1/3. That should have generated a increased volume. It did, to some degree, but not enough to make up the lost revenue. It also brought in quite a number of looky-loos and other trouble makers. Therefore causing more work us, and less tranquillity for the regular visitors and members.
We could enlarge the grounds and put in more modern upscale facilities, but that is an economic loss from the get go.
To buy the adjoining property and double our grounds, would cost $200,000 for undeveloped land. To modernise the clubhouse facilities would cost $250,000. Add in the increase in property taxes, the financing costs and it can be seen that the numbers of visitors would have to increase to double just to cover the taxes and interests. It would be nice to pay down the principle, and also show a ROI(return on investment).
There isn't the volume of nudists out there(despite the rosy numbers from AANR and the FCN) to generate that income.
So in short, that is why nudists are paying ground fees that are higher than the costs of a KOA. All one has to do is compare the actual numbers of textile campers with the number of nudists to see why.
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| Teva |
Posted - 11/16/2008 : 11:20:13 AM
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Originally posted by AJ0127
Membership does have its privileges. However, you are not going to attract people to nudism if they have to pay exorbitant grounds fees for the privilege of being nude. The people you want to attract aren't members of any organization yet. I recall renting a place at - - for a week. As a member of AANR at the time, I got a 20% discount. When the discounted grounds fees were added to the unit rental cost, it became a very expensive vacation, particularly considering that this wasn't exactly a beach front resort. This doesn't serve to attract anyone to nudism.
You don't HAVE to join a landed club (park or resort). Nonlanded clubs are way less expensive, but when you are a member, there is some variety. You don't always go to the same place to just lay out in the sun. A nonlanded club is sometimes more of a feeling of an extended family.
Just remember, when your local beach or state is at odds with legislation, those two organizations to serve to help fight. Been there, done that.
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