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| Warmskin |
Posted - 05/17/2009 : 07:38:08 AM
Today was awful at a nudist resort in California. Since there are many of them in California, I feel free to mention the state without revealing which one.
It's not easy being a single fellow at a nudist resort, and being an almost-senior citizen is even worse. I try to be light-heartedly friendly at this place. I smile and say hello, talk about the weather, etc. Nothing very personal that would offend.
Today was the limit of clique-ishness. There seems to be an unavoidable tendency at most gatherings of people, who meet regularly, to cluster among their cliques, and ignore others. Unfortunately, nudist resorts are no exceptions. One might think that since we are a somewhat unusual type of group, there would a lot of comradeship. Not so.
I faced on rejection after another in the pool, trying to talk with anybody. There were lots of folks there, but none would respond to my saying, "Hi." Hardly a pushy thing to say, nor is it controversial.
One person in his little clique told, succinctly, "You are not wanted here." It couldn't be plainer than that. Others nudged me away from their little cliques, leaving no ambiguous message for me except to get lost. I thought about it for a while. Maybe I had horrible breath. Maybe my natural smile scared people. Maybe saying hi was an offense. Not sure.
Being told that I was not wanted didn't make me enthusiastic about being there. Talk about dousing my spirits. What kind of place is this?
I have been to this place several times, and being able to talk to somebody is quite dicey. Sometimes I can break through the clique factor and engage someone in some friendly conversation, but that has been only about 20 minutes out of 12 hours. So, I have tried to find things to do by myself. I tried the various facilities there, and that was interesting for a while, but it was not enough.
I think for a single man, it is far batter to find another person to take with you to a nudist resort, if you can find one. Otherwise, you are going to be shunned by a number of people, even to the point of being told I wasn't welcome there.
I will not renew my membership when it comes due. I think I'd be a fool to do so, when there are numerous nude beaches where there is no charge to use. Paying hundreds of dollars for this kind of treatment is not mentally healthy.
As I have mentioned in other posts, there are some nice local free beaches and clothing-optinal hot tubs and spas, and some quite picturesque to frequent. I have had some very nice, lengthy conversations with a good number of people at these places. There are also non-landed clubs to join, too.
It's too bad that when I joined this resort, there was not introductory meetings to get acquainted with the regular members to meet the brand new ones. You have to fend for yourself and deal with the indifferent and rude cliques.
Unless you are a silver tongued single male newbie to gain some social ground, and based on my experience with this particular resort, it is not the best thing to join. Save money and try free nude beaches, or talk to another nudist resort to see if they do not treat the newer single males with less than friendliness.
Maybe the man who told me that I was not welcome there was correct. I tried to gently get myself into a conversation ( I have a Mr. Rogers [of Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood fame] type personality, and not that of a publisher of a porn magazine), so how threatening could I be?
Amazing stuff. Still not sure what happened, but it was the summit of boorish behavior on the part of the cliques. If only they had groups within the resort where you can do some things together, so others would be more accurate about me. They would see that I am an okay fellow.
Scratch this nudist resort. I will probably go back only to observe behavorial patterns with no expectations. Or maybe just float in the pool and secretly listen to conversations. Not much else to do there. I still have all summer to use this place before canceling.
Thanks for listening.
"To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason |
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| intheflesh |
Posted - 09/14/2011 : 6:13:54 PM
wow my wife and i are really looking forward to our first nudist vacation.. our thought was that nudist would be the exact opposite of what is going on here. I hope we find it open and friendly because when you are wearing nothing what else do you have |
| nudesunguy |
Posted - 09/13/2011 : 11:28:36 PM
Yep, I know this place also (hint: it's near Sacramento). That pool scene can be very drunken and cliquish. The owners are lovely people, but their general manager could use a year or two of work on his social skills...but it's a great place in other respects.
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| redtail69 |
Posted - 10/04/2009 : 01:31:07 AM
I am member of the club in question. My wife and began going there in 2001 or so and we joined as members a couple years ago.
I go sometimes without her and yes, I do notice that some folks are not as welcoming towards me, an apparent single male, as they are when I am with my wife. However, for the most part, everyone is VERY friendly there, whether I am with her or not.
I see several single males that are there often and they very much involved in the social interactions with other couples and singles. I think you need to give it a few more tries. I am always amazed how friendly this place is.
As anywhere, nudist club or not, when you get a group of folks together, some will bond better with others. Don't give up, this is a great place. |
| PABiker |
Posted - 09/24/2009 : 11:04:22 AM
Hey Mike, nice to hear from you. I'm the long hair, beard, and boonie hat guy at the bar. Got your song on the ipod, too. See you in spring!
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| 66onryb |
Posted - 09/23/2009 : 09:25:05 AM
Mike I really enjoyed the video, and having been there recently and enjoyed it I want to visit on a Friday for happy hour as soon as they reopen |
| Open Mike |
Posted - 09/23/2009 : 09:01:53 AM
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Originally posted by PABiker
Warmskin, don't take my word for it, let Mike tell you all about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcwPjsHvE7I
This was filmed at one end of the deck at the poolside bar, Streakers.
I'm going to miss all of these people over the winter. Let's get it over with and start an early spring.
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Hey PA biker, thanks for posting my song, glad you enjoyed it! I'm trying to figure out who you are.
It was great fun playing every Friday happy hour at the new pool bar, Streakers. I was sad that the season ended last weekend. See you next year, Lord willing!
http://www.mjmmusicgroup.com
http://reverbnation.com/mjmmusicgroup
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mike-McLaughlin/90877529405 |
| Admin |
Posted - 09/21/2009 : 3:01:08 PM
Priceless. I have quoted you both in the humorous TV clip section. |
| CalTom |
Posted - 09/19/2009 : 2:25:00 PM
There was an even earlier What's My Line with nudist "camp" director Yolande Reed that was absolutely priceless. The audience roared with every tingling innuendo from Steve Allen and even host John Day could barely contain himself. However, the reaction from Dorothy Kilgallen when she comes to the realization of the woman's profession is what makes this a real gem.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-694375414562326076# |
| Warmskin |
Posted - 09/19/2009 : 12:42:19 AM
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Originally posted by NaturistDoc
Far more entertaining was a linked YouTube clip www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlfrcH6DEww&feature=related) of an episode of "What's My Line?" from 1958. The mystery guest was an odd little man who ran a nudist camp in Indiana. The panelists, a shrewd bunch, nailed the guest's occupation rather quickly. But the best part of the show is the panelists themselves. The men (I should say 'gentlemen') are in tuxes; the women are wearing gloves! One panelist was a very youthful Jack Lemmon. Nudist content aside, the clip is a wonderful snapshot of 1950's TV. And who wouldn't have wanted to see Arlene Francis nude?
It would be fun to watch them all function nude. They were elegant back in those days. Notice Arlene Francis' gloves that she wore. John Daly is a class act; the perfect gentleman, of whom we need so many more of his type these days. As a boy, I say many of these old shows. And yes, I wore suits a lot back then. Not much fun for a boy, but that's how it was then. At least the cars were much better looking then.
"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself."
Thomas Jefferson
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| NaturistDoc |
Posted - 09/18/2009 : 8:01:53 PM
Far more entertaining was a linked YouTube clip www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlfrcH6DEww&feature=related) of an episode of "What's My Line?" from 1958. The mystery guest was an odd little man who ran a nudist camp in Indiana. The panelists, a shrewd bunch, nailed the guest's occupation rather quickly. But the best part of the show is the panelists themselves. The men (I should say 'gentlemen') are in tuxes; the women are wearing gloves! One panelist was a very youthful Jack Lemmon. Nudist content aside, the clip is a wonderful snapshot of 1950's TV. And who wouldn't have wanted to see Arlene Francis nude? |
| Warmskin |
Posted - 09/18/2009 : 6:41:20 PM
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Originally posted by PABiker
Warmskin, don't take my word for it, let Mike tell you all about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcwPjsHvE7I
This was filmed at one end of the deck at the poolside bar, Streakers.
I'm going to miss all of these people over the winter. Let's get it over with and start an early spring.
Talented guy at the guitar!! Yes, I want to hold on and get winter out of the way, and I quite imagine many other nudists feel the same way, save for Floridians, and Arizonans. We Californians have more summer to go, and I expect to take advantage of it.
The ocean beaches here actually are more enjoyable in the fall, since there is no more summer fog to dampen one's spirits. Only in California does it get hotter when summer goes away. Go figure, as the expression goes. It will continue warm here until about the end of October or so. The time between then and late April are bound to be a requirer of clothing.
"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself."
Thomas Jefferson
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| PABiker |
Posted - 09/18/2009 : 12:58:39 PM
Warmskin, don't take my word for it, let Mike tell you all about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcwPjsHvE7I
This was filmed at one end of the deck at the poolside bar, Streakers.
I'm going to miss all of these people over the winter. Let's get it over with and start an early spring.
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| Warmskin |
Posted - 09/17/2009 : 8:00:04 PM
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Originally posted by GrayWolf
And how do you compare this to your encounters in a textile KOA or state park campground? Pretty much the same I'd guess. May not have much to do with clothes?
Interesting question, GrayWolf. I have had much better luck in clothed situations where I have never met before, the people I encountered. People see me as non-threatening, and find me easy to talk with. Most places where I have been had no shortage of genial conversations, even store owners, others at restaurants, airports, even, if you believe, a guy in a restroom stall when I was at Crater Lake in Oregon. The friendly folks are where you meet them.
The clothing facet of the social world might be an interesting study to see what effects is has on others. I could suppose that when we are nude, we are more vulnerable and sensitive to how we feel about others, even at a nudist resort. That is only a supposition on my part.
Still, though, I find myself agreeably juxtaposed to others in unorganized venues such as rivers and ocean beaches. Perhaps they present more variations in people, and of course, there are no cliques there. It's hard to set them up in just one afternoon. So, there is more equality at beaches in that respect. Maybe equality in social situations is where I do best. By that, I mean no preset ideas about who is who. This is especially true from what I have experienced in the remote spots in the mountains, where people are truly an asset. Being in a natural setting seems to present people in their best light.
Just a few more thoughts.
"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself."
Thomas Jefferson
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| GrayWolf |
Posted - 09/17/2009 : 5:47:27 PM
And how do you compare this to your encounters in a textile KOA or state park campground? Pretty much the same I'd guess. May not have much to do with clothes?
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| Warmskin |
Posted - 09/16/2009 : 8:18:55 PM
Not so at all, GW. You weren't there; I was. Here is the reality: I make it a point to try to say hello to folks that might seem to be receptive to such an initiative. Most are not even responsive to just that, let alone conversations. Given that everyone else is talking to their friends, in tight circles, it is hard to talk at all. I should say, I'm a bit shy, and can listen to great length to the talkers. I only try to enter a conservation where I have something that is on topic. I keep my words short if I don't know somebody.
If you think I'm a conversation hog, you're incorrect, and your words would better be directed at the real time hogs. You cannot be shy and at the same time be a non-stop talker. They're mutually exclusive. You may be mistaking my ample posts here for being the same way with my spoken words. If you are, you are incorrect in that assumption.
So, what you are saying, GW, is that I should never talk to anybody unless directed to do so? That sounds contrary to the purpose of being with other people. I don't see the logic in your statments. I hope you don't mean that. Otherwise, no one would ever say anything at a nudist resort.
As for your statement that I am at fault here, because I said hello in passing to some folks that seemed possibly open to a quick hello. Again, you propose a type of resort that is more military sounding than social. Should I stand like a soldier, and speak only when spoken to? While others talk at greatest length to their coteries, I should remain silent like a child back in the 1920s. For that matter, why should anybody go to a nudist resort, if they must take a vow of silence? Again, your stance is in contrast to the meaning of being together at a resort. We might as well all go our own little resorts.
What you are proposing is that that there are two tiers of resort clientele. One, privileged to share thoughts, experiences, and feelings, at great length, and the other class would have to remain silent because they don't fit in, no matter how cheerful they are and polite. I can see no other way you could mean what you said.
Single folks have feelings, too. You seem to not remember that. I already resigned from the place in question, as my membership came up for renewal earlier this summer.
Apparently you failed to read an earlier message wherein I stated that I found much better luck at a traditional Sierra skinny dipping hole. There, there were no assignments of the right to say hello to someone you didn't know. Being friendly just happens in the Sierra, where people are viewed as assets, not violators of the established cliques.
As mentioned before, after my two visits to this place earlier this summer, I had lengthy conversations with the other folks there. So, your theory that I am a vampire is absurd on the face of it. If I were, why do I have better luck both at a smaller nudist resort, and a river beach? According to your words, I'm at fault, so wouldn't it be logical that my "problem of saying hello to people" rang true at other places, too? The trouble with that blind analysis is that I have the opposite happen to me at these other places.
Ask any troubleshooter where the problem is, and he/she would tell you that the problem stays or goes with the party responsible for it. My whole career taught me that, a thousand times over.
Given the facts, as opposed to assumptions, you might want to think it over, before you judge.
I very much the idea of nudist resorts, but I don't support arrogance, and anti-social behavior. We are all nudists, and should have more in comradeship, yet we stand divided over simple social skills like saying, "Good morning" or a simple smile and the word, "Hi." If that is a huge problem, Heaven help us all.
"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself."
Thomas Jefferson
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