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| Bill Bowser |
Posted - 01/14/2014 : 10:58:58 AM
Someone has just created a "We the people" petition on the White House website advocating the designation of more federal property for nude recreation. (Information and a link to the petition can be found here: http://clothing-optional-access.weebly.com ) If 100,000 people sign the petition by Feb. 11 the federal government will address the issue. I urge everyone to sign the petition. The potential benefits are enormous.
Bill Bowser - Cincinnati
Nudists are everywhere, but they're hard to identify with their clothes on. |
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| Pelican58 |
Posted - 02/01/2014 : 11:45:31 PM
I signed it. Its listed under the catagory of "Civil Rights". Then scrowl down a bit. Youll see it.
The sadest part of being a nudist is putting clothes on to enter the textile world. |
| MrsAzLagoon |
Posted - 01/29/2014 : 01:26:08 AM
Just read a post from Felicity Jones of YNA...she is a leader of that group. It said:
"I just talked to yet another reporter about nudists' numbers dwindling. Her evidence was the public lands petition that's "not doing well."
(I told her nudism dying out is the myth that won't die.)"
Now THAT was a surprise...the media picking up the "petition" from the negative of not getting the 100,000 signatures...not. Fragmented approach to trying to get things done will never work. Good thought, but poor execution.
Enjoy the sunshine!
MrsAZLagoon-AKA C-OHome
www.ClothingOptionalHomeNetwork.com |
| baie rouge nudists |
Posted - 01/27/2014 : 8:24:49 PM
I counted up those votes from the NYC metro area. I believe over a hundred signed so far. Is Long Island Travasuns aware of the petition? We'd love to hear from members from NYC and Long Island here on the board either on the forum or PM and see what they may think may happen with the status of Lighthouse, Kismet, and Smith Point west. Keep voting everyone! We've got a lot to lose. |
| Balto Bob |
Posted - 01/27/2014 : 02:26:49 AM
I have seen posts on my nudist fb page (Balto Bob, just like here). I hope that helps.
Bob
Have a nice NUDE day !!
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| FireProf |
Posted - 01/26/2014 : 7:01:30 PM
The thing to remember is ... ALL those that are aware, ALL those that aren't concerned about signing this petition ... have read this thread and others and have signed it. Those that haven't signed it ... won't sign it and regrettably ... it's a done deal.
As I stated and as Admin has stated ... I fear that with such poor planning ... this petition will have a reverse effect and people, people that look at these things, like this petition, will come to the conclusion that there really is very little desire from society to have clothing optional ... anything.
Loves being naked. Plays well with others! |
| Bill Bowser |
Posted - 01/26/2014 : 5:21:25 PM
I've heard similar stories about AANR before. I'd like to think they're not true, but where there is so much smoke there must be at least a little fire. I'm sure our national organizations must accomplish some good for our cause, but I don't believe there is so much as one new acre of public land that was designated for nude recreation in the last fifty years. I think there is ample evidence that they are incapable of doing what needs to be done. While other movements, like civil rights, women's rights, and gay rights, have made enormous progress during the last few decades, we nudists have lost ground. Our rights to use beaches, which is at the whim of bureaucrats or politicians, have been rescinded or are threatened almost everywhere. Those that are still available to us are always the most remote and almost inaccessible.
I know of no public land that is designated for nude recreational use where naturists can hike, backpack, camp or otherwise enjoy the outdoors without fear of being fined or incarcerated because their lack of attire offends some bigot.
We shouldn't tolerate this sort of treatment, but because we're afraid to admit to our friends, neighbors, or whoever, that we enjoy being nude we accept second class citizenship. Our national organizations have demonstrated they are incapable of improving our situation. We must either create another organization or change the ones we have. Otherwise we are doomed.
I thought this petition would spark a little activism and create some enthusiasm among us naturists and like-minded people, but there seems to be an insurmountable amount of apathy. Years ago I developed a theorem which seems appropriate: there are always ample reasons to reject any proposed course of action.
There are no problems which are too big to ignore.
Wake up everybody, so you can watch our clothing optional beaches disappear.
Bill Bowser - Cincinnati
Nudists are everywhere, but they're hard to identify with their clothes on. |
| Admin |
Posted - 01/26/2014 : 1:24:16 PM
My wife and I spent many a year working within AANR to help them achieve their goals. During one meeting at an AANR convention the Exec Director proudly boasted of the good they had done in Maryland through working closely with the Maryland senators. I found it suspicious that the link they provided to listen to the senate session was a bad link. So I researched and found it. It was an eye opener.
It turns out what AANR did was to convince the senators that anything AANR endorsed was kosher, but any nudists meeting without paying their AANR dues should be jailed and fined. I couldn't believe it.
This almost passed. It needed only ONE vote to pass and become law. If that had happened, any TNS gathering or c/o bed-and-breakfast in Maryland could be raided, and everyone organizing them could face a $500 fine and/or 6 months jail time! That'll teach them not to pay AANR!
This is probably one reason certain organizations prefer to work in the shadows.
Of course, there is some danger that if this petition dies without support, it will provide the justification to close more beaches, since the nudists had their chance to speak up and remained silent. |
| free2be |
Posted - 01/26/2014 : 09:24:01 AM
Good points FP! |
| FireProf |
Posted - 01/26/2014 : 01:14:55 AM
... but one has to ask; "is there a reason why NAC/TNS are not supporting this wholeheartedly?" To answer that quite simply ... it's that NAC has their own way of working toward getting what this petition is hoping to do. NAC is not some "fly the seat of their pants organization." They understand the workings of government, lobbyists, legislators ... they have been working for many years to try and get things done, people to listen, bills stopped that threaten our way of life ... they aren't just sitting on their butts and doing nothing. Maybe we don't know what they know.
It takes much more than a petition signing to get any of this stuff implemented. Just because a petition is signed by 10's of thousands of people ... doesn't automatically mean that whatever they petitioners want ... is going to happen. That's just not being realistic.
All this banter on here and on other sites about what AANR is doing, not doing, NAC/TNS ... what they are or are not doing ... is that getting anymore signatures? The steam has run out of this drive and it's too bad but ... it's NOT AANR's/GAT's, TNS/ or NAC's fault.
I will agree ... what is at fault here is that our two orgs don't like to do anything together. It's not the "org's" fault ... WE ARE THE Organizations, the members. The fault lies with the Presidents and other leaders of both orgs that continue to refuse to work together. What is needed first and foremost is cooperation, mutual respect and collaboration by both sides to work together on ALL aspects of this lifestyle and NOT just what benefits them and their membership dollars.
But then ... how many "members" of either org sent letters to both orgs and stated their disgust with the way things are being done and the fact that they are unwilling to work together? How many here have done that?
WE HAVE!
Loves being naked. Plays well with others! |
| Bill Bowser |
Posted - 01/25/2014 : 11:21:41 PM
Thank you very much for your support Kevin. It means a lot. I have no idea why NAC and TNS aren't enthusiastic about this effort. Speculating about their motives doesn't really make much sense. It certainly is possible that those who withhold their support may be doing so based on their own self interest, but that seems pretty shortsighted to me. Ultimately, if public nudity were to become acceptable there would no longer be a need for nude clubs and resorts, but the potential of that happening any time soon is pretty minute.
Bill Bowser - Cincinnati
Nudists are everywhere, but they're hard to identify with their clothes on. |
| Admin |
Posted - 01/25/2014 : 9:36:32 PM
Bill, I have scheduled some tweets to go out to support this on our Twitter account at http://twitter.com/_NudistResorts .
I think the observation made about national organizations not recognizing the important of public nude recreational facilities is correct. Some think it would be most profitable to corral all the nudists into "camps" with a high cost of admission. That's no way to build a successful travel industry. |
| Bill Bowser |
Posted - 01/25/2014 : 4:59:00 PM
The number of daily signatures has fallen dramatically since AANR announced their support for this effort. It is really disappointing. What is needed is much more publicity. It is usually difficult to motivate more than a small percentage of people who agree with you to take some action to support an effort like this. When you consider the fact that so many nudists live in fear that their identities might be revealed it becomes clear that you have to connect with a vast number of people. As in any grassroots effort success depends on all the advocates drumming up supporters who then will seek even more supporters. That isn't happening. If we don't find some way to attract more attention this effort will fail.
It was started as a grassroots effort, without the knowledge or support of our national organizations. I guess the originator thought it was best to try to keep it independent from them. In retrospect that seems to have been a misstep. Some better planning and organization certainly would have improved the chance of success, but with NAC's tepid support I don't think we could expect much help from them. I have no idea why they aren't supporting this effort.
Regarding further efforts to advance our agenda, I don't like the in-your-face campaigns used by the feminists and the LGBT folks either, but they are incredibly effective. There seem to be a huge number of people who are willing to overlook the rude behavior and recognize the discrimination that is being protested. We need more activism, but we must be smart.
There was a missed opportunity in the Castro District of San Francisco last year that could have benefitted our cause, but we didn't take advantage of it. You may recall that some gay men there were taking advantage of San Francisco's liberal public nudity regulations, claiming to be nudists, prancing around nude in public, and creating a public nuisance. If actual nudists, those who subscribe to AANR's guidelines, had stepped forward and pointed out the differences between nudists and naked, rude, gay exhibitionists, those liberal San Francisco public nudity regulations might still be in effect.
We need a lot more public attention. Because so many of us refuse to admit that we are nudists, society considers us a tiny minority, an insignificant goofy fringe element. As such we have no political power, yet our numbers exceed those of the black population in the 50s and 60s during the civil rights movement. If we don't do anything to improve our situation no one else will. The best we can hope for is that society will cease obstructing our lifestyle, but we have to make that happen.
Bill Bowser - Cincinnati
Nudists are everywhere, but they're hard to identify with their clothes on. |
| mark85304 |
Posted - 01/25/2014 : 3:57:09 PM
"Can anyone tell me why this seems to be attracting so little attention."
It's the "not invented here syndrome". It was not an idea born out of either national organization. For that matter, it appears that the national organization are not on the same page with each other anyway.
If we are going to make any progress, we have to work together in unity toward common goals whether we be AANR, TANR, TNS, simple nudists, home nudists, naturists, etc. Divided we ALL fail and I do not want to see any efforts to advance nudism get to the levels several groups have gotten to, the "in your face" approach or the militant approach. All that does is alienate the rest of the populous.
If we can't work together for common goals, we not only will not advance our cause, but we will self destruct.
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Feel the sun warm your skin when there's nothing between you and the sun.
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| free2be |
Posted - 01/23/2014 : 8:50:24 PM
I added my name to the petition yesterday. |
| Bill Bowser |
Posted - 01/22/2014 : 11:29:10 PM
In order to attract some more attention and support for this petition today I created and posted some flyers on the bulletin boards here at Glen Eden.
What I said was:
HAVE YOU SIGNED THE PETITION?
AANR has sent out an Urgent Action Request
asking their members to do so.
There is a petition posted on the whitehouse.gov
website which requests that more public land be
designated for nude recreational use.
This is a cause we should all support. It is easy to
do. Go on line to petitions.whitehouse.gov.
Click on "VIEW PETITIONS"
Scroll down and click on the one which says:
"Designate portions of public lands under
management of the federal government for
clothing optional recreational use."
Create an account if you don't already have one,
and then electronically sign the petition.
Once you sign it only your initials will be visible to
others, so your privacy will be respected.
Please help make this a great success.
If the petition gets at least 100,000 signatures by
February 11 this issue will receive some much
needed attention from the policy makers in
Washington. Ask your friends and neighbors for
their support too.
Bill Bowser - Cincinnati
Nudists are everywhere, but they're hard to identify with their clothes on. |
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