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| Admin |
Posted - 03/19/2002 : 10:51:05 PM
A significant number of beach-going nudists feel we jeopardise our "unofficial" nude beaches by giving out the locations to the public. Soon, the media or the radical right get organized against clothing-optional use, and the beach is closed to nude use. How can we let nudists know about the best locations for discrete nude sunbathing, without risking losing our beaches?
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| old hippie |
Posted - 09/09/2005 : 8:48:09 PM
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Originally posted by spadoc
At the risk of sounding like a broken record (now there's a dated cliche), the best thing we can do is to continue to promote our lifestyle as a mainstream alternative practiced WHERE APPROPRIATE. That means we have to respect the rights of those individuals who may be offended or wish not to participate. Be respectful, if the sign says "clothing required beyond this point" Respect that. I know there are those of you on this board who think we should "push the envelope" and be more "in your face", but I truly believe that this does ALL of us a disservice. I really think it's only fair that if we want to have the right to practice social nudism without government interference, we MUST also respect the rights of those who DON'T want to participate or those who for whatever reason may be offended. Education and negotiation should be our primary tools. Also, ZERO tolerance for those who violate or jeopardize our beaches and clubs with behaviour that confirms the imagined fears of those members of society who wish to do away with our beaches or clubs, or who wish to tell parents where they can send their kids to camp.
Walt
I'm cross-posting this from the Solomon Beach thread, because it seems to fit here just as well. We promote, and keep, nude beaches by BOTH (a) as Walt said, keeping our act clean, AND (b) enlightening others as to the benefits (including financial) of naturist resorts and beaches.
I've not been to St. John, but have visited St. Croix and a few other "saints" in the Caribbean. These islands live or die by the tourist dollar. It might be useful to develop a clear, tangible means of demonstrating the fiscal impact of naturist tourism, or the loss of it.
Some other outfits have done this in a number of ways. For instance, a festival I was once associated with wanted to overcome some local resistance to the annual onslaught of traffic and noise. A vocal minority of the residents were up in arms to ban the event. So the event coordinators paid all the staff, gave all the change, and paid the local vendors & contractors, in "Sacajeweya" golden dollars. For a few weeks, the local tills were FLOODED with golden coins; then the festival left, and the dollars died away. There was never another complaint about the festival. What would happen if a cruise ship of a few thousand naturists were to spend in a similar manner on St. Somewhere? Do you think the attitude might soften?
It doesn't have to be dollar coins. A few bundles of dollar bills stamped prominently with a slogan, akin to the "Where's George?" bit, could do the same thing.
Food for thought.....
Dum vivimus, vivamus! |
| Kimberly |
Posted - 05/01/2004 : 05:33:44 AM
Whew! Talk about complicated laws! Spa doc and nudeboy are right, we must be good stewards of the beaches, obey the laws, and practice oppropriate nudism. All it takes is one person out of a thousand to do something sexual at the beach, and all nude sun bathers are branded for that one incident.
Kim =^.^= |
| nudeisntlewd |
Posted - 04/29/2004 : 3:05:07 PM
Vera,
I'm no legal expert, but the legal structure here, as anywhere else, is very complex. The federal government does not, as far as I know, prohibit nudity overall by statute. In the case you cited about National Park use, those areas are under the direct jurisdiction of the (Federal) Park Service. So they can enact their own rules, policies and laws for land and areas under the direct control of the federal government. But they are not interested in local politics-at least in this issue. I would assume that it is because it is not a burning, constitutional human rights issue that would compel them to intervene. It seems to be one of the issues that they would rather let the local governments handle.
I can give you an example of how government works from personal experience. When I was a Hennepin County Sheriff's Water Patrol deputy here in Minnesota, I was based on Lake Minnetonka. We were (they are) to enforce federal, state, county, and local laws as well as US Coast Guard regulations, as they applied. There are 13 municipalities located around the shores of this large lake, and one corner of one bay that lies in another county. (There is a consortium of these municipalities designed to keep the ordinances on the water uniform, so water traffic laws can be enforced there, manned by reps from all the communities. The LMCD - Lake Minnetonka Conservation District.) We had our own book of laws that applied to specifically to that part of the county to guide us in proceedure, since so many jurisdictions were involved in our enforcement scope. The area of the lake that lies in Carver County is an area in which we had no jurisdiction. That was left to their deputies.
The more local a jurisdiction is, the stricter laws can be. In the predeeding example, we had municpal ordinances that were stricter than state laws. So what could not be done there, might be legal elsewhere in the county or the state. They can not be weaker than a higher level, but they can enact stricter local ordinances. Given this fact, it would be absolutely impossible for a state, county or city government to legally allow a nude beach if the federal government prohibits it. Yet some do. So there can't be a federal law prohibiting nudity. It may seem complicated, but if the chain of command, so to speak is followed, it is logical and orderly.
To give a rediculous simplified illustration:
The federal government could have no law against eating ice cream.
A state could restrict eating ice cream to only weekdays in their state.
A county in that state could allow ice cream use only during the evening hours, (but they could not allow it on weekends, since that is prohibited by state law).
A municipality in that state could add the restriction that only strawberry ice cream could be eaten on tuesdays, (but they could not allow its use on weekends or during the day, because of the restrictions of the higher governments.
I know that was a goofy fictitious example, but that's how it works.
Randy 
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| The Bead Man |
Posted - 04/29/2004 : 11:06:35 AM
Just a thought - "Clothing Required/Nude Sunbathers May be Seen Beyond This Point" signs on beaches or in parks are a big improvement, in terms of acceptance, compared to the high walls of traditional nudist camps.
Such "colonies" - as perceived by the general population - practiced isolation for security, but presented a much higher barrier, both literally and figuratively, to newbies than a short walk past a sign. Nudist "Resorts" (the name of the group [!]) are also easier to try, as people are away from home. People may join camps later, but beaches provide a gateway through wall.
Cheers!
David
"The Bead Man"
www.thebeadman.net
The Bead Artist formerly known as Revilo42 |
| spadoc |
Posted - 04/29/2004 : 10:44:13 AM
At the risk of sounding like a broken record (now there's a dated cliche), the best thing we can do is to continue to promote our lifestyle as a mainstream alternative practiced WHERE APPROPRIATE. That means we have to respect the rights of those individuals who may be offended or wish not to participate. Be respectful, if the sign says "clothing required beyond this point" Respect that. I know there are those of you on this board who think we should "push the envelope" and be more "in your face", but I truly believe that this does ALL of us a disservice. I really think it's only fair that if we want to have the right to practice social nudism without government interference, we MUST also respect the rights of those who DON'T want to participate or those who for whatever reason may be offended. Education and negotiation should be our primary tools. Also, ZERO tolerance for those who violate or jeopardize our beaches and clubs with behaviour that confirms the imagined fears of those members of society who wish to do away with our beaches or clubs, or who wish to tell parents where they can send their kids to camp.
Walt |
| nudeboy |
Posted - 04/29/2004 : 02:54:06 AM
How do we keep our nude beaches ? - lots of different opinions. MY opinion is that on any beach, people should behave themselves so that everybody can enjoy the place.keep sexual behaviour out of public areas.A nude beach will attract zero attention if its used for its primary function -ie to allow people who enjoy social nudity to swim ,relax,etc.  |
| The Bead Man |
Posted - 04/28/2004 : 4:02:27 PM
It sounds like a good idea to me.
It would be embarassing for the government if there were any attempts to harrass nudists at these sites.
Cheers!
David
"The Bead Man"
www.thebeadman.net
The Bead Artist formerly known as Revilo42 |
| Admin |
Posted - 04/28/2004 : 12:19:32 PM
Reprinted from the AANRGovernmentAffairs@yahoogroups.com newsgroup
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 01:23:29 -0000
From: "Debra Sue Stevens" <debra_sue@mindspring.com>
NWNA Officially Adopts Two Nude Beaches
Submitted by Shirley Gauthier, NWNA Government Affairs Chair
It's official! Northwest Nudist Association (NWNA) members have adopted two nude beaches!
The Adoption Agreement was made between SOLV, the Oregon State Marine Board's Adopt-A-River Program, and Northwest Nudist Association. NWNA members are registered as adopters of the Columbia River, Collins Beach, Sauvie Island, and Rooster Rock State Park Clothing Optional Beach Area in the Oregon River Registry.
SOLV representative Diane Millemann, from SOLV's headquarters in Hillsboro, presented the adoption certificates for Rooster Rock and Collins Beach on Sauvie Island to Mark Buchweitz and Shirley Gauthier today at the NWNA Spring Board Meeting. Diane mentioned that this is the first time ever that a nudist group has participated in the Adopt-A-River program.
The announcement was received so enthusiastically that plans are already in motion for the Willamettans Family Nudist Resort to adopt a 2-mile section of the Mohawk River, which runs near the resort.
In addition to beaches and rivers, individual nudists and groups can adopt creeks and favorite skinny-dipping holes.
Just what does this adoption mean? It means that we are working in partnership with SOLV and the Oregon State Marine Board to make a difference and contribute to preserving our environment. NWNA's responsibilities include cleanup projects and activities at least two times per year per beach, for a total of eight fun projects during the duration of this 2-year agreement.
NWNA Government Affairs Team (GAT) has been working with Mark Buchweitz, who is a regular at Rooster Rock and Sauvie Island, and generously offered to be the official NWNA beach contact. Mark recognized an opportunity and took the initiative to set the adoption in motion. He is a true "Friend of AANR."
In 1993 Oregon State Representative Peter Courtney partnered with the Oregon State Marine Board. HR Courtney sponsored a legislative bill creating Oregon Adopt-A-River. Eventually the Oregon State Marine Board teamed up with SOLV, creating this program that we are so excited to be a part of. Governor Tom McCall founded SOLV in 1961.
The following organizations are contributing to the success of this program: The Oregon Dept. of Fish and Wildlife, Oregon State Parks, Oregon Dept. of Environmental Quality, Bureau of Land Management, US Army Corps of Engineers and the US Forest Service.
This information is provided for education and community discussion. Nudist-Resorts.Org is not affiliated with The American Association for Nude Recreation (AANR).
[Admin's note: This looks like a good method to generate public (government) support for clothing-free beaches. Does anyone else have experience with adopting a beach?] |
| calmnude |
Posted - 08/08/2003 : 08:36:14 AM
we need updates to the statutes with the changing ideaology of the judicial system. happy to have someone aboard who can keep us informed. for the amateur, i believe that westlaw would have some basics, but the legal eagles here would know additional resources. again, thanks to oracle. |
| Admin |
Posted - 08/07/2003 : 6:23:12 PM
oracle, excellent post!
Yes, some of our posts are over a year old. This is so that good informative comments like yours will remain visible indefinitely.
Nice research, I'm sure it will be helpful. |
| oracle |
Posted - 08/07/2003 : 10:46:58 AM
Now we're gettin to the stuff I like to talk about, the incredible inequity of laws from state to state regarding Public Nudity...
There is one state and one state only that exempts people from prosecution under the so called indecent exposure laws, that being Florida. Florida while allowing public nudity in aurhorized areas can be quite harsh on nudity in non-authorized areas. Under the current law for instance, you cannot be convicted of any crime based upon simple nudity on Haulover Beach. In America anyone can be arrested for anything anytime anywhere, thats why we have oversight of Law Enforcemetn agencies. Convicting...now thats a different story.
Florida Statute: 800.03
Exposure of sexual organs.
It is unlawful to expose or exhibit one's sexual organs in public or on the private premises of another, or so near thereto as to be seen from such private premises, in a vulgar or indecent manner, or to be naked in public except in any place provided or set apart for that purpose. Violation of this section is a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. A mother's breastfeeding of her baby does not under any circumstance violate this section.
So...
..."There is 'NO PLACE' one can legally be nude 'IN PUBLIC' in the 'UNITED STATES OF AMERICA' without being subject to arrest for 'INDECENT EXPOSURE'... it is just that simple..!"
and
..."There is 'NO PLACE' one can be nude 'IN PUBLIC' in the 'UNITED STATES OF AMERICA' without being subject to arrest for 'INDECENT EXPOSURE'... it is just that simple..!"
are both wrong, owing to Florida's legal sanction of nudity in Public Places designated for Nude Recreation.
There are no Federal Laws Prohibiting Nudity, however the Federal Courts have long held the right of the National Park Service and managing agencies to form policy prohibiting nudity in federal parks as an obstruction to the free use of parks by others, and the Federal Parks services do in fact have policies prohibiting nudity as various Federal Park locations.
I have looked and not been able to find many State Laws that specifically prohibits simple nudity, (say, for the purpose of sunbathing) Arkansas does. Most of the state laws that I have read, grant authority to prohibit nudity to the County and Municipal Governments.
All 49 Non-Nude States regardless of how openly and freely the government and the local populations treat nude sunbathers, all have provisions to prosecute simple nudity as some type of crime ranging from indecent exposure, to lewd conduct and in Hawaii it can even be construed as sexual assault. Most of these 49 states have language that reads something like this. If you are naked in public, and someone sees you and you should know, that person or any person might be alarmed or disturbed you are guilty of a crime.
The language and enforcement of these "laws" is completely arbitrary. (Arbitrary being defined as no uniform application or enforcement of law) There is no consistent application of these laws in enforcing them or in judges adjudicating them.
So if you want to be naked, and free of the Hassles , your options are one of the designated nude public beaches in Florida, anywhere on a boat 3 miles offshore or better (outside any US Jurisdiction), or a private property. Interestingly Arkansas specifically prohibits nudity on private property.
Most of us who crave the sunshine on our naked bodies will find a way to get it without raising a fuss. It is this need for Social Nudism that drives us to push the envelope of public acceptance of nudity.
Alas I see I am responding to a post that is a year old...
at any rate I have to references realtive to legal issues.
First is a legal opinion from the legal counsel to the Corps of Engineers (managing all Federal Reservoirs and lakes)
The Corps seeks to promote use by the general public as prescribed in 16 U.S.C. § 460d. Nude sunbathing wo |
| mystic_seas92805 |
Posted - 07/21/2003 : 12:59:50 PM
DEAR USVERA
THAT PICTURE OF YOU ON THAT BEACH HERE IN LAGUNA BEACH THE MOUNTAIN THAT SHOWS IN THE BACKGROUND LOOKS JUST LIKE CRYSTAL COVE IT IS A BEAUTIFUL BEACH WITH SOME SHADE AND A LITTLE KNOWN FACT THAT THERE IS A PRIVATE CLOTHES OPTIONAL BEACH IN LAGUNA HAVE NOT BEEN THERE YET BUT IT HAS BEAUTIFUL QUITE SEROUNDINGS
SINCERLY
MYSTIC_SEAS92805 WILLIAM
WILLIAM K. HASS |
| panhandler |
Posted - 02/03/2003 : 9:22:36 PM
Nude Laws - Federal Land and California State Parks
From Online Guide to California Nude Beaches
Federal Land
There is no Federal law against nudity but neither is it a guaranteed right. This means that state, county and local laws can take precedence.
http://gocalifornia.about.com/bl_nb_legal_fdst.htm |
| lowteck53 |
Posted - 11/11/2002 : 8:47:18 PM
Once a nude beach has been established say, Haulover or Blacks beach, one where officials are at least in agreement not to issue citations, the best way to keep those going strong is to respect the boundaries and never wander off the established areas designated for nude use.
If officials have to respond to complaints that naked people are walking over onto "their" beach then the easiest way to solve that problem is to close the offending beach taking with it all those who respected the boundaries designated for nude use. |
| cyndiann |
Posted - 11/11/2002 : 7:01:54 PM
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I am sorry... I just don't beleive this at all..!
How do you think the wankers find the nudist beaches?? We've already lost quite a few beaches and more are lost every year. The number is going DOWN. Most people have no clue what "social nudism" is or how to act at a nude beach.
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I think the more people that know the better... social nudism in the USA is becoming more popular than it has ever been... and many people just have no idea where to go.
It seems to me that the more people who know where they can go and be nude without being hassled or arrested the better... because more people WILL GO if they know where to go.
Most of the people that find out about the nude beaches aren't nudists. Those are the ones you say you see doing lewd things in front of everyone. Do you really want all those folks there?
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