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Cheri
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Posted - 11/30/2003 : 7:05:42 PM
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I would still like not to see it, covering is considerate.
Hugs, Cheri
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Kimberly
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 Posted - 12/01/2003 : 01:26:05 AM
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Basically rockinghorse that is what we are saying. There is a lot of discussion on the board about male arousal, but I think it is mainly a fear because I have not witnessed it that much at clubs. Like Cheri says, when men have had erections at the club, they take care of it appropriately, no big deal.
Kim =^.^=
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 12/01/2003 : 07:45:56 AM
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Rockinghorse,
Its much the same as being a clothed environment. If you have an erection you descretely deal with it.
Cheers,
Spontanudity
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zaitzeff
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Posted - 12/11/2003 : 1:33:21 PM
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As for men having erections in nudist settings,
I think you people--at least, most who have been posting in this forum--are wrong to insist
that the guy not have them or cover up.
the two major posters seem to be cheri and a fellow named Spontanudity. Spontanudity writes,
"Seeing an erect penis on the beach is against all the core principles of naturism."
That is nonsense. Some people write as if all male arousal past the age of puberty is under conscious control. In fact, the likelihood of arousal depends on a number of factors other than age past puberty. Some men by the way that they masturbate--or have masturbated in the past--decrease their incidence of spontaneous erections and other men, by the way that they masturbate, increase their likelihood of spontaneous erections. Many men--perhaps most men--who masturbate carelessly have in fact reduced their "likelihood of spontaneous erections" and I would guess that this is what has happened to people who claim that they never have involuntary erections now that they are past the age of puberty.
Erections depend on the functioning of certain valves in the penis. Those valves may be strong or weak, relaxed or tight, healthy or healthy--not depending on the person's having a sexual thought a few minutes ago, but from his general health and past practices re masturbation or penis exercises. Smoking, alcohol use and other harmful health practices injure the body as a whole, and the functioning of the penis re "spontaneous arousal." The difference between some teenagers who seem to have frequent and spontaneous erections and adults who don't lies not in age, but in health, exercise and masturbation practices.
Male erections are probably more common at a nude beach than at a nudist park, because, the nudist park people are likely to talk to him or put him out, but that won't happen at many of the nude beaches. So, many males, if likely to have erections, would avoid nudist parks.
And, if spontaneous erections in a nudist setting are OK for a 14-year-old, why not also
for an adult who has the health of a 14-year-old
so far as concerns the valves in his penis? They don't just fail or change at puberty!
cheri writes:
"Erections are not acceptable in polite society. It's the same as being considerate of another's feelings."
Some other people would simply say that nudity or going topless of females is "not acceptable in polite society. It's the same as being considerate of another's feelings."
Male erections happen and sometimes they happen even "in public" in clothed situations.
Here are some comments on this subject from a page from a 14-year-old girl named Nikki, whose family is nudist:
http://www.allaboutsex.org/MyFamilyAreNaturists.htm
I have two brothers (12 and 15), I am 14, and we are totally comfortable around each other with or without clothes on. To me, seeing someone's penis is just like looking at their hands. I'm used to seeing their erections, they aren't embarrassed by them and neither am I. We were raised to believe that the body is beautiful. It is really sad that people are ashamed of their bodies. Why should we hide our natural beauty? . .
At least once a year we go to a nudist resort. . . The men don't walk around all the time with erections, trying to seduce the girls. In fact, it is uncommon to see a guy get an erection, but even if that happens, everyone accepts it because there is nothing wrong with it. . .
Nikki, a 14 year old naturist girl
here is a more sensible post from NakedKelly or Kimberly:
it happens to my brother sometimes. hes 15. nobody in my family really cares and it usually goes away after a little bit anyway. its even happened to my dad once or twice but i think he was embarassed and my brother was not. it just never really bothered me i guess
and more sense from Kimberly:
In my 17 years of being a nudist, I have seen very few men with erections at clubs, and really did not know that it was as big a problem as it seems to be on this board. I have however seen a lot of men at the beach sporting erections, and seem to be proud of it. The clubs are a safer form nude socialism and therefore have more strict rules.
I guess a man's erection is offensive to some, I have no objection to a man having an erection, unless he is trying to get me aroused with his erection. I know my sons get erections, but it seems like it is more of an embarrassement to them, than it is to others. Women get aroused too, but its not as obvious as it is with men. I still say that there is nothing wrong with being aroused, its how far you take it.
Kim =^.^=
the females who have written the above comments are manifesting peace with the world, I believe.
Erections are not inherently threatening, any more than is nudity.
[zaitzeff got himself banned right after this post for including links to nude minors in his profile - Admin]
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Kimberly
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Posted - 12/12/2003 : 05:44:03 AM
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Very well put zaitzeff, you have done your homework, and welcome to the board. We are looking forward to more of your posts.
Kim =^.^=
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Revilo42
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Posted - 12/12/2003 : 11:42:38 AM
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Spontanudity wrote:
"Many have worked hard to prove to textiles that naturism has NOTHING to do with sex."
I agree with this statement in its most literal sense - many HAVE worked hard to prove it.
I disagree with what they're working to prove: "Naturism has NOTHING to do with sex" is an overstatement.
It would be much better to say that Naturism is not specificly related to sex. People neither become sex-fiends, nor completely asexual, when they take their clothes off in a naturist setting. Couples and friends flirt, hold hands, kiss and hug, just like they do when clothed. These are acceptable, but sexual, activities (if you think they're not sexual, consider the difference between friends of opposite sexes greeting each other with a kiss versus two men doing so!).
What is acceptable depends on context: a public nude beach has similar expectations of behavior to a clothed beach; a party at an adults-only nude resort would be much more tolerant, in just the same way as a nightclub would be.
Many people in their comments and websites seem to portray naturists as "inverted sexual perverts", effectively becoming eunuchs when they disrobe.
What we need to show is that Naturists are simply normal people who aren't encumbered with clothes.
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Dan1208
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Posted - 12/12/2003 : 6:04:48 PM
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Well-said, zaitzeff and Revilo42 ...
and, btw, welcome to the forum. I hope to read more from you in the future.
Naturally, Dan :)
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Kimberly
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Posted - 12/13/2003 : 02:24:28 AM
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I agree with you Revilo42. I think people portray nudists as sex fiends, because they are used to having sex when they are nude. Some people just can not understand that you can live a happy normal life, socializing with others in the nude. I agree that kissing and holding hands is sexual, but it is aceptable. What most people are complaing about is fondling, and intercourse, which is not acceptable at a public beach.
Welcome to the forum Revilo42, hope to hear more from you.
Kim =^.^=
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 12/13/2003 : 03:23:38 AM
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zaitzeff,
I accept your right to have an opinion and to contribute to this site.
Your agrument is somewhat sound until you decided to attempt to imply that the incidence of "spotaneous erections" are inversely proportional to the quantity of masturbation. And further, that this may be the result the underlying reason why this does not happen to me. Firstly, can you please provide a link or reference to the research that supports this argument? I'm sure you'll find that there is no biological or physiological evidence to support this argument. Given that phyisological their is no difference between sex and masturbation.
Secondly, and more importantly, please refrain from making personal attacks. This is a friendly group which is open to accept all opinions which are free from personal insults. Using such methods will only retract from your crediability as a geniune contributor to this group.
Cheers,
Spontanudity
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Kimberly
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Posted - 12/13/2003 : 07:05:13 AM
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Masturbation is sex, its self gratification. I think some people try to rationalize and make a justification for what they are doing. Like Bill Clinton, he said he just got a lewinski, he wasn't having sex.
Kim =^.^=
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 12/13/2003 : 09:50:25 AM
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Kimberly
I fail to see why masturbation was ever discussed in this topic. There is no association with quantity of sexual intercourse (alone or with others) and a persons propensity to control an erection.
Cheers,
Spontanudity
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melissastarr
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Posted - 12/13/2003 : 11:58:55 AM
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Since this is a forum that educates people (in addition to other things,) I'm requesting some education here. Does sex or masturbation increase the likelihood that you'll get an erection? Or does it decrease the chances? Probably more a question for mom (who is most welcome to answer) than the forum, but I'm curious about this.
Melissa
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NudeAl
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Posted - 12/14/2003 : 12:37:13 AM
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Melisa, in my experience no, other than perhaps the person is thinking about sex a bit to much. Other wise I see no connection between the two.
Now all this talk about erections seems a bit ridiculous. There may be clubs and places which would not object to men wandering around sporting them but I doubt it. In our society it is just not considered polite, for what ever reason, by the vast majority. I've experienced a unwanted boner on occaision but I simply roll over or jump in the water etc. I have also seen men on the beach strutting about with one and that is annoying to me personally. Like someone else mentioned we have enough of an image problem with out this going on. It also says something about us as a whole that we spend this much time discussing this topic.
"The best dress for walking is nakedness." Collin Fletcher
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 12/14/2003 : 08:58:23 AM
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NudeAl,
Welcome aboard and thanks for your comments. I think its the common consensus of most on in the naturist community. I seriously doubt the intentions of people who believe that its socialy acceptable to expose people to their erections in public.
Cheers,
Spontanudity
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 12/14/2003 : 09:05:25 AM
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Melissa,
To answer your question, firstly there is no physiological difference between sexual intercourse and masturbation. So, your question seems to be, is a highly sexually active man less likely to have an unwaited erection than others? I'm unaware of any scientific research that suggests this either way and I would suggest there is no correlation between the two. If there was it would likely be coincidence rather than interdependence.
Cheers,
Spontanudity
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