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ralphcollinson
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 Posted - 12/30/2015 : 07:16:25 AM
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For some reason the Nudist-Resort.org auto correct Natzi did not like parts of my previous post, so it eliminated them which resulted in a posting that made little sense. I'll do my best to correct:
The AANR-Florida Winter gathering is being held in Lutz Florida January 29, 30 &31. If you are interested in attending please visit AANR-Florida.org for a detailed description of the meeting and an agenda. The event is open to all.
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Posted - 01/04/2016 : 01:36:37 AM
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Originally posted by ralphcollinson
For some reason the Nudist-Resort.org auto correct Natzi did not like parts of my previous post, so it eliminated them which resulted in a posting that made little sense. I'll do my best to correct:
The AANR-Florida Winter gathering is being held in Lutz Florida January 29, 30 &31. If you are interested in attending please visit AANR-Florida.org for a detailed description of the meeting and an agenda. The event is open to all.
Noticing that a - - was appearing in his second post, I emailed to Ralph a courteous explanation of why certain former nudist resorts that are currently promoting swinger lifestyle and wife swapping events are prevented from appearing in these pages dedicated to traditional nudism.
Perhaps he missed that email explaining our word filter which blocks the names of certain notorious establishments. It is unfortunate that AANR is meeting at a neighboring organization bearing the same name a few blocks away. I shared with him a method for getting around the word filter to make his post clearer.
We're getting off to a really confusing start. While representing himself as AANR-Florida President, in Ralph's first post here he made no distinction between swinger "lifestyle" clubs and AANR's nudist resorts, presenting them as equal choices under "naturism." This shows an interesting bias. I am thankful he followed through and altered his first post as I requested, but no one enjoys being referred to as a "Natzi," no matter how it's spelled.
The use of that term alone suggests one may have issues with our policy of excluding overt swingers in nudism.
Just to be clear, I have nothing against swingers (code name: lifestylers) provided they know how to behave at a nudist resort, that is, non-sexually and with graceful discretion. But then you wouldn't know they were swingers, would you? People behaving like they're filming a porn video cannot be nudists.
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There are 14 AANR affiliated clubs in Florida. In addition there are several clubs catering to gay, lesbian and transgendered naturists. The variety is unlimited.
While removing the term "lifestyle clubs" as requested, our AANR-Florida President surprisingly chose to let remain his recommendation of establishments for "gay, lesbian and transgendered naturists" that are outside of the AANR catalog. But that begs a question. If the behavior at these clubs is tame enough for AANR standards, why aren't any of them AANR member clubs?
That should not be taken as sexual-orientation bashing, as I believe people are people. But I'll put this as an open question for debate:
Am I wrong to consider verifiable good behavior as a bona fide requirement for our member nudist clubs?
This reminds me of my conversation with the former Exec Dir of AANR itself, Jim Smock. Jim felt that since the swingers at a certain location were unexpectedly civil to him when he dropped in one afternoon, that nudists everywhere should open the doors wide to swingers as ideal customers.
What's going on with AANR officials? Don't they know apples from oranges? Perhaps a selective blindness is adopted for sake of the bottom line. Having worked closely within AANR for several years, and many more years without, I have always wondered after this lack of discernment on the part of AANR officials.
Post on Ralph, but please review our posting rules linked at the bottom of the page, especially the ones about promoting a confusion between nudism and swinging. And try to refrain from publicly insulting our forum policies. Thanks. I think everyone here understands why we use the word filter to keep some establishments from being promoted in these pages.
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NaturistDoc
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Posted - 01/04/2016 : 7:28:17 PM
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FireProf
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Posted - 01/04/2016 : 11:05:01 PM
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Originally posted by NaturistDoc
#IStandWithAdmin
Ditto!
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free2be
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Posted - 01/05/2016 : 07:39:30 AM
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I stand with Doc who stands with Admin.
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NaturistDoc
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Posted - 01/06/2016 : 6:26:52 PM
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My personal opinion is that there should be a bright line between Swinger resorts and Nudist resorts. A distinction between the two is good for all concerned, especially for the general public, who might otherwise conflate the two. I'm sure that Swingers would be dismayed to find themselves at a nudist resort that doesn't cater to the lifestyle. Similarly, the non-swinging nudist wouldn't enjoy being surprised by unwelcome offers or the sight of body fluids being exchanged in the communal hot tub. These are two different cultures, and Admin has gone out of his way to make it abundantly clear which culture this site is about. People who run afoul of the ground rules have no cause for complaint.
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Posted - 01/10/2016 : 12:40:21 AM
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I'd like to apologize to Ralph if my tone seems a bit harsh. This has been a hot button issue in this forum for many years.
I've wondered if having a numbered system, a lifestyle friendly rating if you were, would help. The problem is, any establishment with a high "friendly" rating shouldn't get any free advertising here. So it's more of a black and white issue, where you're excluded if you cross a certain bright line.
I've found the best barometers for determining a genuine nudist resort are - Personal and direct observation after 10pm
- Trusted on-site remote reviewers
- Analyzing online promotions for lifestyle friendly references
One must determine the intent of the management to overtly attract a sexually oriented clientele. It's not an easy determination, and all of these factors should be taken into account.
I'd like to have an updated reference source to help people choose a good destination for traditional nudists.
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ROB g
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Posted - 01/13/2016 : 6:48:03 PM
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Have to agree with the admin. It was this sight that helped me and my now wife find a nice resort that we now visit about 4 times a year. for a total of about 10 days of not wearing clothes.
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Daretobare
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Posted - 01/14/2016 : 05:10:57 AM
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I too side with the Administrator.
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Warmskin
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Posted - 01/16/2016 : 9:43:39 PM
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As herky-jerk as I am, I agree fully with the sentiment of giving posts some thought, especially about what facilities are family-oriented and which ones are not.
I'm not that comfortable around who I perceive to be swingers at a family resort, but that's just me. They can exude certain characteristics at times. I've seen simulated sex in swimming pools by them. Atrocious!!
There should be concertina wire separating family resorts from swinger resorts. They have no similarities. Sure, you can see nudity at a swinger place, but you can swing with your clothes on. Nudity, there, is a by-product. Swinger resorts should advertise themselves as being a sexual resort, and not a nudist resort.
As long as the textile community might think that family resorts and swinger resorts are one and the same, it hurts family resorts badly.
I'm glad to see this discussion board does not want to promote those sexual resorts. Thank you, Admin!
“I rise early almost every morning and sit in my chamber, without any clothes whatever, half an hour or an hour, according to the season, either reading or writing.”
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free2be
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Posted - 01/17/2016 : 09:16:20 AM
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Originally posted by Warmskin
As herky-jerk as I am, I agree fully with the sentiment of giving posts some thought, especially about what facilities are family-oriented and which ones are not.
I'm not that comfortable around who I perceive to be swingers at a family resort, but that's just me. They can exude certain characteristics at times. I've seen simulated sex in swimming pools by them. Atrocious!!
There should be concertina wire separating family resorts from swinger resorts. They have no similarities. Sure, you can see nudity at a swinger place, but you can swing with your clothes on. Nudity, there, is a by-product. Swinger resorts should advertise themselves as being a sexual resort, and not a nudist resort.
As long as the textile community might think that family resorts and swinger resorts are one and the same, it hurts family resorts badly.
I'm glad to see this discussion board does not want to promote those sexual resorts. Thank you, Admin!
“I rise early almost every morning and sit in my chamber, without any clothes whatever, half an hour or an hour, according to the season, either reading or writing.”
Ben Franklin
Well said!
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Warmskin
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Posted - 01/17/2016 : 11:49:43 PM
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Thank you, sir 
“I rise early almost every morning and sit in my chamber, without any clothes whatever, half an hour or an hour, according to the season, either reading or writing.”
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Admin
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Posted - 01/28/2016 : 2:35:52 PM
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If we were to provide a master list of resort ratings both nudist and lifestyle friendly, the problem is that the more notorious ones can benefit from our "bad" recommendation.
If I were to design a section of the Nudist-Resorts.Org website to facilitate building a list of approved resorts and clubs, how many of you would help to gather all that information and send it to me?
I'm realizing that much of that process needs to be privately communicated.
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FireProf
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Posted - 01/28/2016 : 6:42:51 PM
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Originally posted by Admin
If we were to provide a master list of resort ratings both nudist and lifestyle friendly, the problem is that the more notorious ones can benefit from our "bad" recommendation.
If I were to design a section of the Nudist-Resorts.Org website to facilitate building a list of approved resorts and clubs, how many of you would help to gather all that information and send it to me?
I'm realizing that much of that process needs to be privately communicated.
I'd be more than willing to provide you a list of those that we've visited and feel they are "family oriented" even if kids don't visit that often.
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Posted - 01/28/2016 : 7:16:14 PM
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Thanks FireProf.
Anyone else? We'll need a pretty large group of trusted private reviewers for this list to mean anything.
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