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SunTanMan
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 Posted - 07/22/2005 : 5:15:58 PM
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I suggest that those who want to observe "perfect" bodies go to a gymnastics meet, a ballet or a strip club. I'll go hang out with the other "fat, imperfect" people who are are nice enough not to throw it in my face that I don't measure up to society's current definition of beauty. As for health advice, my physician does an excellent job of advising me, thank you. As the song says, "We're not gonna take it anymore."
AH, THE IRONY OF IT ALL.
Sometimes I think that the last time I took the spaceship out for a spin I must have landed in Bazaro World.
Just a couple of points.
1. When Cheri posted the first response to Curious1's post, this is what she said:
"To me it's almost a religious experience sitting on my back deck nude in nature behind our privacy fence enjoying the sun or breeze on me. Medically, it can reduce blood pressure."
Now this is from a very smart lady who is high up in the nudist community and she, God forbid, mentions high blood pressure, a medical condition associated with obesity. I don't know if she said that on purpose or if it was a Freudian slip.
I have never ever heard of a Doctor that did not tell an overweight patient with high blood pressure that they should lose weight.
2. Ever notice that on every page of this fine website there is a picture of a couple sitting on the beach. Did you know that Admin hired models for these pictures? Why do you think that was? I suspect he wanted to present a positive image of nudism. He could have just as easily put in a picture of Mama Cass and Jackie Gleason but I'm sure he wanted to promote an image of good health, good fun and good entertainment.
3. Did you ever look at all the photos in NR's gallery. There are people of all ages, sizes, shapes and weights you can imagine, but they are all engaged in some sort of activity.
Waking on the beach
Swimming
Rock climbing
Fishing
Boating
Sailing
Hiking
Even sky diving
If you happen to see a photo with someone's head stuck in a bucket of KF Chicken at the Saturday night Pot Luck-let me know the number.
CORRUPTION. When you make comments like "We're not gonna take it anymore" you are corrupting nudism.
Traditionally, body image acceptance has been about penis size, breast size and skinny vs. muscular.
Somehow you guys have corrupted this issue to include healthy vs. unhealthy.
If you somehow want me to validate obesity you are barking up the wrong tree.
If you have a friend with a broken arm are you not going to take him to the hospital? If your fellow club member falls over with a heart attack are you not going to give him CPR? Why in the world would you ever tell a fellow nudist it is OK to be morbidly obese? I just don't get it.
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Cheri
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 6:34:45 PM
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Can we please agree to disagree. BTW, SunTanMan, Thanks for the compliments. I have been acquainted with those who are thin and have high blood pressure. Losing weight may or may not decrease one's bp.
I'm not the size 7 I was at age 19. Sure many of us could stand to lose weight, but it's easier to lose that weight when you are more relaxed and de-stressed as nudism can acheive.
Cheri
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SunTanMan
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 7:11:40 PM
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Originally posted by Cheri
Can we please agree to disagree. BTW, SunTanMan, Thanks for the compliments. I have been acquainted with those who are thin and have high blood pressure. Losing weight may or may not decrease one's bp.
I'm not the size 7 I was at age 19. Sure many of us could stand to lose weight, but it's easier to lose that weight when you are more relaxed and de-stressed as nudism can acheive.
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WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR MEDICAL DEGREE?
Here's what I am reading from medically oriented web sites:
"Manage Weight
According to the National Institutes of Health, excess body weight is correlated closely with high blood pressure, and a weight reduction program can be very beneficial for lowering blood pressure and improving the efficacy of antihypertensive medications. Research has shown that weight reduction, even as little as 10 pounds, reduces the blood pressure of overweight persons with hypertension."
Hey, Maybe you are part of the problem.
To be honest, that was a pretty crappy response. Overweight and obesity in America is over 67% of the population and diabetes has increased over 47% in the last 10years.
Here you go saying that "skinny" people also have high blood pressure. What is that about?
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james423
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 10:07:56 PM
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What was that about? It was about being truthful. Many thin people have high blood pressure (including a couple of people in my family). The reason that weight loss is recommended for overweight people with high blood pressure (note that it doesn't say that all overweight people have high blood pressure, as that's not true -I know someone who is overweight yet has low blood pressure & needs to be medicated to keep it from going too low) is that this will generally (but not always) lower blood pressure. Cheri never claimed to have a medical degree, she was just giving her point of view based on personal experience. No need for a personal attack. I also don't have a medical degree (I have a law degree), but have learned a bit about hypertension from people in my family who do have medical degrees. One thing they don't do is berate patients for being overweight -stress can be just as much of a factor as weight with regard to hypertension.
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curious1
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Posted - 07/23/2005 : 05:58:59 AM
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In spite of my weight, my blood pressure is very good.
I'm sure I'll be told otherwise by someone.
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Cheri
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Posted - 07/23/2005 : 08:12:35 AM
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Originally posted by james423
What was that about? It was about being truthful. Many thin people have high blood pressure (including a couple of people in my family). The reason that weight loss is recommended for overweight people with high blood pressure (note that it doesn't say that all overweight people have high blood pressure, as that's not true -I know someone who is overweight yet has low blood pressure & needs to be medicated to keep it from going too low) is that this will generally (but not always) lower blood pressure. Cheri never claimed to have a medical degree, she was just giving her point of view based on personal experience. No need for a personal attack. I also don't have a medical degree (I have a law degree), but have learned a bit about hypertension from people in my family who do have medical degrees. One thing they don't do is berate patients for being overweight -stress can be just as much of a factor as weight with regard to hypertension.
Thanks, James.
No, I don't have a medical degree; I do have a Medical Technology degree plus a bachelors in English and Biology. I have worked in the medical field for over 30 yrs. and currently am business mgr. for the research office of the medical school here and run an undergrad research program. I know a "little" about blood pressure.
Stress can very well increase blood pressure.
When people make generalities, there is always someone who falls outside of those generalities.
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mission594
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Posted - 07/23/2005 : 1:30:51 PM
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James and Cheri,
Thank you for pointing out that excess weight may not necessarily mean high blood pressure, though it is a risk factor. And although weight loss lowers blood pressure in several individuals, it doesn't in all.
High blood pressure can be caused by many different factors and not all of the factors need to be in play, one is enough. In my family we have 2 thin people with high blood pressure, (and have had it their entire adult life) my mother and her mother. So here we have genetics playing a huge role in high blood pressure. Neither of these ladies have ever been obese, or under tremendous amount of stress. I can only find 2 risk factors for their HPB, genetics and lack of physical activity. But the later has been sporatic through their years. So the only major factor leading to their HPB is genetics.
Obesity is a risk factor for several different diseases, but being obese doesn't mean that you will suffer from any of them. Obesity is just 1 risk factor, the more risk factors you have the greater the risk.
On a side note, some conditions will cause a person to gain weight. Most notably is thyriod problems, here obesity becomes a symtom instead of a risk factor.
Daniel
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sailordave
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Posted - 07/24/2005 : 01:02:23 AM
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My uncle was an automechanic for a dealership. He was also a fisherman and had a lean build. He also had very high blood pressure and suffered a massive heart attack and blood clots. One clot caused him to loose half his right leg and another caused him to loose half his left foot. He's had to go back for removal of several other blood clots, one in the vein going to his head. Being a slim build does not mean good health. Imagine the surprise of a skinny person when he/she is told they have nearly 40% body fat. That's because they've starved themselves so often that their body was forced to metabolize the protein in the body's muscles. Karen Carpenter wasn't fat, but she was far from healthy. What about Keith Richards? He isn't fat but I bet the only think keeping him alive is either preservatives or being pickled.
We the willing who are led by the unknown must do the impossible for the ungrateful.
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curious1
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Posted - 07/24/2005 : 08:31:57 AM
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Dave, excellent points.
My own father was 6 feet and 160. We teased him abou getting fat when he made it to 165.
He died at 53.
I'm only 2 years younger than he was. It's a strange thing to realize and appreciate now how young he was when he died. Being thin didn't do much for him, either. My grandfather on my mom's side (who honestly looked like Elmer Fudd, which is very disturbing when you think about it ) was always chubby. He was in his 90s when he passed, and my uncles on that side all lived to old ages as well. None were thin.
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old hippie
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Posted - 07/28/2005 : 2:20:30 PM
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Ah, grasshopper, I see by the calendar that it is almost the end of July. Soon it will be a new month, and the trusty ADMIN will start the "off-topic topic" anew. A clean slate for all involved. Sort of like a mini-New Year's Day. You see, grasshopper, that sometimes we get so twisted up in our immediate concern that we lose sight of the distant goal: true insight, and personal fulfillment.
remember the reminder from Baba Ram Das: Be Here Now. Enjoy the present.
Dum vivimus, vivamus!
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 07/29/2005 : 01:59:12 AM
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I have to say that there are rational points made here from several points of view, although not always expressed in the most diplomatic ways.
Clearly there are epidemics of both obesity and diabetis in this country. I agree that they are unhealthy trends. But I don't think anyone here is saying that it's OK. Of course everyone wants to look better and be healthier. But it isn't possible for all people to be the "ideal".
Obesity, diabetes and high blood pressure do often go together. So does heart disease, stroke, PAD (Peripheral Artery Disease) and God knows what else. But being overweight is by no means the only cause of these conditions.: I'm physically active and not overweight. Yet, my blood pressure which had always been normal suddenly got high when I reached 39 or 40. I had 2 angioplasties with 4 stents placed, and a quadruple bypass by age 41. Last August, at the age of 48 years-3 months I had a heart attack with two more stents placed.quote:
Originally posted by curious1
In spite of my weight, my blood pressure is very good.
In spite of my blood pressure, my weight is very good.
It seems I got my high blood pressure from my Mom.
My point is: If someone wants to and has the ability to change their physique, that's great. It looks good and it will improve their health. But that won't guarantee that they won't have the same kinds of health issues. Also people shouldn't be made to feel bad and hide themselves away if they can't make changes.
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