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SunMan
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 Posted - 11/04/2005 : 02:10:53 AM
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I came upon this resort yesterday and I am a little disturbed by it http://www.nudetravelguide.com/nude-resorts/hedonism-iii/hedonism-3.php
I know there is a differance between your family oriented resorts and this thing but don't you think there is a possiblity that people could get the wrong idea about nudist resorts if they have this place on there mind?
What do you thing about this?
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bornnude
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Posted - 11/04/2005 : 07:55:25 AM
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Personally, I agree in a way.
People who are looking to find what is wrong about nudism/naturism can point to this place and say "It's about sex.". Of course, they would quickly find out that their conclusion was wrong if they researched or went elsewhere.
The other side... Since resorts like Hedonism have a lot of "clothed" clientel, the presence of the "nude" side of the resort may interest them in the tamer side of nudism.
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FireProf
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Posted - 11/04/2005 : 10:26:02 AM
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I don't think Hedo II or III are "nudist" resorts but rather, adult resorts where you don't have to wear clothes.
We have a couple we are friends with that were so curious about Hedo that they visited for a weekend before heading over to Grand Lido Braco for a week. The weekend they were there, they said that there was a sexual atmosphere but people weren't having sex right out in the open.
I don't think my wife and I would go, there are many other nudist resorts we rather visit but I don't think it's a bad place. I'd rather those that are looking for this type of environment and venue went there to play then to visit and do it at a family nudist resort.
I think it's up to us to ensure those asking questions about the correlation between nudism and Hedonism be set straight and re-enforce the philosophies of family nudism. That being said, we are also adults and do have the right to visit this place if you desire this type of venue for you and your significant other. I don't think it should damage or tarnish your standing in the nudist community.
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Ranger191
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Posted - 11/09/2005 : 10:26:34 PM
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Personally, I think it is rather like coffee, you like it plain or you like it with sugar.
You are looking at a known swingers/voyeurs resort through the eyes of a nudist. If "people" get the wrong idea about nudists from Hedo, that's because they are looking in the wrong place.
Hedo is a great example of different strokes for different folks.
Nobility is not a birthright, it is defined by one's actions.
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GeeWilly
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Posted - 11/10/2005 : 10:48:34 AM
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Maybe cougar has it right, FireProf, live and let live. I sometimes feel that we get too defensive about nudism/naturism.
In a private setting our right to free expression should always allow us to doff our clothing and freely exist. That same setting should not be denied those who would experiment or participate in "swinging."
Perhaps we do have an obligation to distinguish naturism from seemingly related activities. Or to communicate and advocate that one does not inevitably produce the other.
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old hippie
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Posted - 11/10/2005 : 1:20:58 PM
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. . True enough, to both the above. But the difficulty arises in figuring out how to know what you are getting into. If I reserve a week at Hedo III, after reading their literature or checking their website, I should not be surprised when the cute little red-headed girl starts flirting with my wife by the pool. (Jealous maybe, but not surprised).
. But if all I bargained for was a quiet afternoon on the beach, soaking up rays in the company of my sweetie, I might be put off by the sight - or sound - of couples coupling on the next blanket over.
. If the resort is truly catering to the naturist community, they will, or should, present the terms & conditions at the outset. If they are catering to the swinger set, that should be known before they take my money.
. Also, I think my level of irritation would depend on the level of lasciviousness and the degree of blatancy. Can't be too offended if the cute guy walking by at the bar winks at my wife (or at me), as long as he is willing to take an immediate "no" as a final answer. But a persistent or agressively overt proposition can sort of ruin one's R&R, can't it?
. One can take this "live & let live" only so far. Your rights stop at my nose....yelling fire in the crowded theatre....etc.
. We all need to recognize that with freedoms come responsibilities, especially the responsibility to respect the other person's freedom. [Oooh, there's a logic circle lurking somewhere in there, I think.]
(Another opinion heard from)
The Old Hippie
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FireProf
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 Posted - 11/10/2005 : 1:51:34 PM
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I personally don't have any problem with Hedo II or III and what they offer. I also don't have any problem with a live and let live philosophy along the same guidelines as Old Hippie.
I don't see how GeeWilly got anything different from my previous post.
The only problem I have is that Hedo has a reputation that has spilled over into the Naturist Category and it really doesn't belong there. When talking with those that are curious about naturism, they frequently ask, "have you been to Hedonism.?" Because they know of it and it's reputation and that people go there to get naked and crazy with one another, they begin to assume that it's a typical naturist resort and it's typical of goings on at naturist resorts. This is where I spend most of my time educating non nudists about what a typical naturist resort is like and the night and day differences between them and Hedo.
Hedo may be visited or frequented by naturists but it really isn't a Naturist Resort. It doesn't follow any of the guidelines or philosophies of naturism. It's an adult, clothing optional venue. People that go there don't take their kids, people that go there pretty much know what they will experience before they get there. Many go there to let there inhibitions run wild for as long as they are there. Most naturists know there is a time and place for this type of activity and it isn't normally out in front of one another.
Do naturist visit Hedo?.......I'm fairly certain they do. As stated, a couple we are friends with that are naturists did stay a weekend there before going over to Grand Lido Braco. It's okay for naturists to go there, it's okay that Hedo exists for those that are looking for this type of venue, it's not okay to refer to Hedo as a naturist resort because it truly isn't.
I don't see educating someone on the differences between what we know as Naturism and Hedonism as being defensive about naturism at all. It's merely educating those that have false assumptions regarding a naturist lifestyle.
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old hippie
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Posted - 11/10/2005 : 2:16:24 PM
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Agreed, Prof, that there is a difficulty informing the general populace about that distinction. I don't know if it would be convincing to make a comparison to those reputable, upstanding individuals in the community who ride motorcycles but don't appreciate being called "bikers". There may be some naturists who also patronize Hedo or the like, but that overlap is like those motorcyle riders who also belong to outlaw gangs. [Don't take this analogy too far, now.]
. We may recognize, from inside the tent, that many naturists are interested only in family-oriented, completely wholesome activities with kids and granny and the entire family. So are many motorcycle riders. Others may be interested in nude debauchery (sounds like fun to me). So are many motorcycle riders. But neither fact makes one group equal to the other.
. There is a topic line elsewhere on the forum about educating others to the aims of naturism. Might be a good place to explore some ideas.
idle thoughts of
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FireProf
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 Posted - 11/10/2005 : 3:45:41 PM
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Old Hippie,
Been quilty of assumptions in the past regarding "bikers."
My wife and I were visiting a small town that many people frequent for antiques, home cooked diners and their apple pie.
While sitting at a restaurant having lunch, we heard the roar of many motorcycles converging on us. When I looked up, I saw all these people on motorcycles approaching and they began parking on the street right in front of this very diner we were having lunch at.
All of these people, men and women, were dressed in headbands, leathers, sunglasses, leather jackets, boots........all the biker stuff. I began looking around for an equalizer should we be accosted by this group of hooligans. As they got off their bikes and began to take off their helmets and jackets to proceed into the very restaurant we were patronizing, I began to realize that these were not "bikers" we needed to fear but were equally as annoying. These were typical white collar weekend bike riders and they were annoying because after getting off their bikes they all got on their "cell phones.'
So............just cuz nudists visit a place like Hedo or frequently visit a place like Hedo, doesn't necessarily mean they are bad people and that we could not be friends with them. We just won't join them when they decide to vacation there, but will respect their choice to do so if that's what they want to do. Just as long as others understand the difference and or distinction between Hedo and a typical naturist resort.
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old hippie
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Posted - 11/10/2005 : 10:38:51 PM
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Ayup, and it's that last sentence that is the tough part, isn't it Prof? It might not be a stretch of the imagination to suppose that patrons of Hedo (or its clones) would know and respect the distinction of a "more conservative" naturist setting. People outside the box tend to know what the other boxes are like.
. The more difficult task is getting the general populace, who have never visited a c/o beach, nor even removed their tie for a round of golf, to recognize the distinction when they sit on zoning boards and rule on beach regulations.
. I have read enough of your opinions to trust your judgement on that panel, but I have to wonder about those other zoning board members who hear "nude beach" and conjure up images of orgies and start to fear for their children. Fear is the automatic response to the unknown, and too many people never look outside their front yard, so much of the world is unknown to them.
Waiting for enlightenment. . . .
that stubborn Old Hippie
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