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ToAsTeD
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 Posted - 01/09/2007 : 11:27:09 PM
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Originally posted by CoolNude72
The only time I feel raped is when I encounter a 'never ending' new shaved or erection post that has said the exact same thing as the previous post for last 3 years. 
Ray
Very true indeed! 
Although I have to admit I have posted on the "erection issue" several times in an attempt to "persuade" a couple of members that erections are "not common courtesy" in nudist environments... but to no avail...
Anyway... (back on topic)... I feel that the act of rape has been committed in probably every single environment in existance... whether it be in a clothing setting or in a nudist environment... from ancient times to the current 2007...
I don't think that rape would "increase dramatically" (as the author of this thread wrote) if nudism was "more prevalent" in the world...
In fact, I think it would drop dramatically in an instant...
In other words, if nudism became the "norm" in society, I know I wouldn't be out there raping women just because they are nude... (I do have strong values and common decency...) and I would bet that 99.8% of the "real" men out there wouldn't either...
I just don't know why this thread was started in the first place...
Just my 2 cents worth...
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Pete Knight
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Posted - 01/10/2007 : 03:24:47 AM
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I don't believe the state of dress would have any impact on the situation, the problem is inside the heads of the perpetrators, not the attire of the victim. Whilst there are sick people about who are unable to control their urges there will be rape, so how their victim is dressed may affect their actions, lets face it, a lot of textiles see nudity as being sexual, so a nude woman is (To them.) an open invitation.
Rape is a violent crime and shouldn't be played down in any way, all violations of a person should be reported to the police.
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CoolNude72
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Posted - 01/12/2007 : 9:16:09 PM
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A person who is a rapist doesnt care if you are nude or dressed, they are still gonna have the same sick thought in their head, and that is to rape you, PERIOD. A rapist doesnt do it for sexual reasons, they do it for control, to have TOTAL control over the victim. Rape is purely a sickness in the rapists head.
Ray
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sueallday
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Posted - 01/18/2007 : 12:23:19 PM
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I can not believe this sanitized wet dream became a topic! AND HOW DOES THIS SHINE A GOOD LIGHT ON NUDISM? Ever wonder way other minority groups have all kind of rights and we're still behind closed doors and 7 foot fences and have to fight like hell to keep C/O and nude beaches open? This is why. People who post topics like this on nudist forums, hetros and gays who use nude beaches as fresh air swing clubs and free peep shows, do nothing to further nudists rights. If your a true nudist it's time to all start to stand up and tell these people where to go and not let a small group ruin a good thing, like seems to be the norm lately.
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imnude2
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Posted - 01/18/2007 : 1:42:44 PM
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The topic is a good topic for adults to discuss.
The irony is that the original post (creator of the topic) surely had other intentions. Also, possibly a couple more posts thereafter sound inappropriate comments on a very serious issue. Yet, this is just as much a serious topic that should be appropriate to discuss, especially if nudists want to promote nudism. Unfortunately, I am sure it is not all daisys & sweetness growing in the nudist community - this is one of the many issues that exist. (Like other violent crimes.)
I like the positive aspects promoted but life is going on in all directions(outside/inside the nudist community.)
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Cheri
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Posted - 01/18/2007 : 1:43:48 PM
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sueallday, We answer questions here from those curious about nudism. These might definitely be people who are wondering if this is a problem or not. We never know if it's a troll or someone with pure interest. We take the high road and hope it's the latter.
Cheri
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sueallday
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Posted - 01/19/2007 : 1:01:54 PM
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Cheri and imnude2, I had my husband look at this topic to see if he thought that maybe I had over reacted. He feels that the topic is valid, that new nudist should have these type of concerns answered. He does feel that the original post is in bad taste,and some that follow.Everyone knows what rape is and what's involved, the poster, for what ever reason,felt they had to add an unneeded description. Like he said what's next pictures and diagrams. He does understand where I'm coming from ,we have got to be a little more careful of how we present ourselfs to nonnudists and to those thinking of becoming involved.
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 01/19/2007 : 3:11:00 PM
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From my point of view, as a seasoned nudist.. I do agree that this topic, and others like it, COULD be serious questions posed by someone new to this lifestyle. I tend to agree with Cheri in assuming it is, and answering it as such. If the intent of the poster of topics like this one, is to fuel some fantasy or sexual discussion, and we all answer in a mature manner, the person will loose interest and move on. If they were posing a real question, than we hopefully gave them some good advice. Either way a win-win for us on the board.
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sueallday
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Posted - 01/19/2007 : 6:09:25 PM
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Allnaturalwife- I read your post of 01/08/2007 and your post on 01/19/2007 on this topic,I'm confused.
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 01/19/2007 : 8:34:00 PM
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I went back and checked over my previous post. It does appear as though I have sort of contradicted myself here. I suppose origionally this thread did appear to me to be a little "fishy". Maybe it is or isnt. I always get a certain "vibe" off threads and by the wording o fthe origional question..I got a weird vibe off this one. BUT, what I AM saying is just in case, the poster is a "rookie nudist" and/or might not understand what nudism is and isnt about. Attempts to seriously answer a question such as the one asked here, are ok too. There, I should be a politician!!:)
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FireProf
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 Posted - 01/20/2007 : 01:09:08 AM
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I have to stay with my first impression on this one. The original poster gave us nothing, absolutely nothing in his/her profile. (Most trolls do this on all sites)
He/she has yet to respond again after almost three weeks of discussion. ( another common troll tactic) Get them all riled up and leave laughing.
This next line was what hit me in the gut, "stick his penis in the bare vagina...", I don't care how new to this lifestyle you are, none of us in our very first posts on a naturist message board posted wording like this.
Just my opinion.
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StuffedTiger
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Posted - 01/20/2007 : 02:19:00 AM
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FireProf, you are correct IMHO. OTOH, not replying leaves the troll post in charge. What I like to do is use it as an opportunity to post the truth on the subject in an informative way without discussing or acknowledging the troll's post.
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bornnude
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Posted - 01/20/2007 : 08:55:45 AM
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I'd have to agree with several here. While, as a community, we hope something like rape does not happen, I just remembered the guy who killed the women in Yosemite a few years ago was actually arrested at a nudist resort (Laguna Del Sol** if memory serves me right).
I realize that he committed no crimes at the resort but that is as uncomfortable as finding out you have a criminal (of any sort for that matter) in your neighborhood.
At the same time, I would bet that the incidence of sexual oriented crimes (I know, rape is not really about sex but about violence) at nudist venues is somewhat lower than the rest of the country.
** I did some double checking of my facts and made corrections accordingly.... See http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial2/stayner/ for more information on the crimes.
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StuffedTiger
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Posted - 01/22/2007 : 02:39:46 AM
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http://www.carolinetiger.com/articles/articles_gh.htm
What kind of person responds to a wanted poster, a TV show, or an Amber Alert message? Rudy and Nancy Montoya, of West Jordan, Utah—a Salt Lake City suburb—called the cops after recognizing Elizabeth Smart’s captor on the street from his TV mug shot. Janet Damant, a hero to her California neighbors, is a 61-year-old former Avon lady—who also happened to catch a murderer.
Janet is on a first-name basis with everyone at Laguna del Sol, a resort in Wilton, California, where she’s lived for eight years. The mother of three daughters and grandmother of six, Janet likes living in her close-knit community, where loners stick out like sore thumbs and residents often approach newbies to size them up.
It was this kind of introductory chat Janet was having with Cary Stayner in March 1999, at Laguna’s clubhouse.
“Gary? Larry? Barry?” she remembers asking.
“Cary,” he told her. “With a ‘C’.”
Janet, several inches shorter than her new 37-year-old acquaintance, found herself staring at the Yosemite lettering on his t-shirt. His baseball cap said Cedar Lodge, which she knew was located at the national park. The cap in particular caught her eye—the news had been filled with stories about three women who had disappeared several weeks earlier from the Cedar Lodge. Only the day before, Janet had learned that the charred bodies of two of the women, Carole Sund and Sylvia Pelosso, were found in an abandoned car.
Stayner told Janet that he’d worked at the lodge. “Why did you leave?” she asked. Too many cops, he replied. They’d interviewed him twice about the missing women. Janet nodded casually, as if to acknowledge that would be annoying. “Inside my head, alarm bells were going off,” she says now. But there wasn’t much to go on. Stayner had openly admitted that the police checked him out. That didn’t sound like a man with something to hide.
Jan saw him around the resort during the next couple of months, and they always waved hello to each other.
In July, she was playing darts at Laguna’s lounge, as she did most Friday nights, when she spotted Stayner watching the 11:00 news. She walked over to say hi, but he was in no mood for conversation. “I did something really bad this time,” he remarked, apropos of nothing. “I need to get out of town.” Surprised, Janet asked where he was going; he replied that he was headed up north. She was about to question him further, but then her friends beckoned her back to the darts game, and besides, Stayner looked like he wanted to be alone. I’ll catch up with him later, Janet thought. By the time the game ended, he was gone.
The next morning Jan awoke early and switched on the TV. That’s when she saw it: An FBI all-points bulletin announcement for Cary Stayner, who was wanted for questioning in the murder of a young Yosemite nature guide the week before—the fourth killing in three months. The bulletin gave no photograph. Janet didn’t need a name.
She ran to the phone and dialed the 800 number flashing across her screen. When the operator answered, Janet hurriedly told her that Stayner was there, at Laguna del Sol. Asking Janet to remain calm, the operator suggested scoping out the grounds to see if he was still around. Janet didn’t have to walk far—Stayner was camped out at Laguna’s lake, about 100 yards from Janet’s house. His car—which the operator had described to Janet—was there too. She turned and hightailed it back to her home. Heart racing, she called the hotline again: Yes, she confirmed, Stayner was still on the grounds. Approximately 30 minutes later, agents arrested Stayner as he sat down in the resort’s restaurant for breakfast.
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sueallday
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Posted - 01/22/2007 : 1:29:24 PM
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I guess I agree with my husband and others that the subject has merit. I stand by my believe that the original post was rude and over the top. It just smells funny! I agree with "FireProf" no further posts sends up a red flag for me too.
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