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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 01/15/2007 : 7:03:40 PM
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I have read the posts in this thread and the advice seems to me, to be on the right track. Being a nudist mom of three girls who have ALWAYS grown up naked and/or around other nudists, it is sometimes hard for me to imagine other parents having to "introduce" nudism to their kids. But some of the basic things in introducing nudism to ANYONE, of course apply to children as well. As I have said in many, many of my other posts, children(or anyone for that matter) are only uncomfortable with nudity, if they have been TAUGHT to be. That is why the younger the person, the easier they might be to convince to try a nudist lifestyle. The more years on this planet one has of what I like to call "brainwashing" with regards to nudity and the freedom to enjoy it, the more difficult of a "convert" that person will be. That is why children are not hard to introduce into it, as they are "natural nudists". Agian, talk to your kids about it, but DONT make it into a huge deal. Any issues they might already have with nudity might be due to the fact that people in their lives HAVE ALREADY MADE IT A HUGE DEAL. Just talk up the swimming pool, or ocean, or whatever attributes the club or beach you might attend has. Then say that " people dont really wear bathing suits at......." Then based on what your KIDS say back, you can respond. But try not to put anything into their heads about nudity that is negative. Too many times I see nudists trying to explain nudism to someone, and sort of "leading" the other persons answer before they even give their opinion. In any conversation, approaching nudity/nudism with anyone, I act like it is really not that big of deal at first, then I can see how the other person reacts, and move on based on that. These are just some conversation techniques I have implimented over the years. They work with BOTH adults and children when approaching the topic of nudism.
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pilot
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Posted - 01/16/2007 : 12:22:55 AM
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Jenn makes an important point. Discomfort with our bodies is learned, not inherited. No one takes a bath in a bathing suit, for heaven's sake. One way to simplify the idea is to say we wear clothes when necessary--to keep warm, to protect us (e.g. when cooking hot oil or on a job where there is a protective benefit)--but otherwise we don't bother. Kids very quickly acclimatize to seeing how their bodies differ from adults. With a range of kids, normal human growth and development is more or less there for them to see and less mystery about what's under the clothes. The closer they get to teen years for their first nudist experience, the more awkward they'll feel, and Jenn takes exactly the right position here--if you grow up nude, there's no time that it feels socially awkward.
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StuffedTiger
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Posted - 01/16/2007 : 12:40:17 AM
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Thanks, Jenn. What a wonderful post. That is really helpful. I can see myself helping someone and maybe managing not make them want to avoid me.
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zippoman1950
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 Posted - 01/18/2007 : 12:15:12 AM
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Hi I just want to say I totally agree with Jenn. My late wife and I started our girls in nudism as soon as they were potty trained and we never had any problems with them feeling uncomfortable at a resort or club. We didn't start taking them as soon as we should have but they had been exposed...so to speak to other nudists who were friends and had children their age range. I was our rule that as soon as they were old enough to decide if they wanted to be dressed or not it was their choice and they never chose textiled..in fact that was what they hated most about going to town or school..hte fact that they HAD to dress.
Just my thots and experiance.
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 01/18/2007 : 02:24:54 AM
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…The only way I would even consider taking my children without discussing it with them first and getting their approval is if it were clothing optional. Even if we have discussed it in advance, the first time will still be clothing optional just because I have no intention of forcing my children into a situation which is uncomfortable for them…
…It does not matter, so long as my children are happy and not uncomfortable.
That being said, I think it is clear, based on the responses, that I should discuss it with them in advance and let them get used to it at home…
I think you’ve got a good plan.  Even at a clothing optional resort, they may still think it’s “creepy”  seeing others that way if they don’t know what to expect. At least the oldest one. Fortunately they are all pretty young and kids are naturals as others have said. Introduce them while they’re young and open-minded. I couldn’t drag my 15-year-old boy there to save his soul. My 21-year-old daughter isn’t interested either. My son-in-law was brave enough to try a beach once, but he didn’t like it. Said it was pretty much a “sausage fest.” 
Good luck and have a great time!quote:
Originally posted by asmodee
You know, this is one of the major things that attracts me to nudism. Is there no such thing as a nudist a-hole or what?
You know, I don’t think there is such a thing by and large. The a-holes are usually “posers” that come in to make trouble, but they quickly get the boot. 
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asmodee
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Posted - 01/18/2007 : 1:39:40 PM
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I talked to my kids about nudism a little bit the other night and told them they could run around naked if they wanted, but only upstairs (not good curtains downstairs). I thought my daughter would have a problem with it, but to my surprise it went exactly as everyone here was saying it would. My oldest son, 9, was the only one who had a problem with it. It makes him uncomfortable, though he runs around in his underwear, sometimes, all weekend and doesn't close the door when he takes a bath. Nudity just makes him uncomfortable. Although I had a few theories why I thought my 6 year old daughter was uncomfortable with nudity (as it turns out, she is not as uncomfortable as I had believed), I have no idea with my 9 year old. Maybe it stems from making him not watch certain scenes in movies. It seems these days that you just can't have nudity in a movie without sexual contact, or at least a little slashing. Unfortunate. It is indicative of what mainstream America is taught these days; that nudity and sex are the same thing. So, at his age, he sees both as bad. But he's still young. It's not too late to correct those erroneous teachings. Even if he doesn't want to participate in nudist activities, the least I can do is teach him the truth about nudity.
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ggwydion
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Posted - 01/18/2007 : 2:46:21 PM
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You know, group pressure is a strong and powerful thing and you have already done the right by opening the topic to your family and getting your daughter involved. As time passes and you all get more and more comfertable with family nudism the boy will realize that he is missing out, particulary when it gets hot again! Might I suggust that you get some better curtines? Nudism really really gets normal and comfertable when you all start doing things like watching TV and eating dinner nude. There should not be anyplace or time in the house when the kids cannot be nude. It sends the wrong single. It says that this is something that is so bad we can't even do it in the living room becasue someone may see us. Not good for the kids. In any case, great job.
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 01/19/2007 : 02:16:28 AM
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I talked to my kids about nudism a little bit...I thought my daughter would have a problem with it, but to my surprise it went exactly as everyone here was saying it would. My oldest son, 9, was the only one who had a problem with it...Nudity just makes him uncomfortable...But he's still young. It's not too late to correct those erroneous teachings...
That is so cool! They’re getting acclimated in a secure, safe feeling environment. I’m sure the 9-year-old will gradually feel more comfortable about it and try it too when he sees it’s no big deal. Seeing the others comfortable with the situation will embolden him. And probably sooner than you think. He’s just got a few more years of “up-tight” programming to deal with. Just a prediction. I was like 40 something, and I was uptight at first too. I had decades of media brainwashing, and I beat the fear. A couple of times at the beach, and I don’t think I got a glance. I don’t think the other 3,000 knew I was alive. Second day it was perfectly OK. No fear.
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zippoman1950
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Posted - 01/19/2007 : 09:06:27 AM
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well....as you have found appearently to your surprise...you girls have taken right to it...to be honest from what I've seen at those ages girls are more comfy with the idea than boys can be. Anyway congrats on the developements and just let it happen...as Randy said the more it becomes a normal everyday thing the more comfy he'll become with the idea as well....you should work on getting better curtains for the lower level tho if neighbors looking in is a prob.....sad to have to set bounderies inside the house for where the kids can be nude...and to be honest any curtain will work...even shears are hard to see thru unless the kids are either standing right in the window or someone is deliberatly looking in.
Continued success.
Carl
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asmodee
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Posted - 01/20/2007 : 11:43:00 AM
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Thanks again, everyone. I'm not sure how far all of this is going, though. The kids only seemed to be interested that one night and I have no intention of forcing the matter. My wife seems to be comfortable with either the two of us going camping nude or going to a nudist resort with the family, but is uncomfortable with going on a nudist camping trip with the kids. And I am reading a lot of posts lately about swingers in nudist resorts which, quite frankly, is unacceptable in my book. I guess what I am saying is that I am kind of losing interest because the idea of a resort has taken on a whole new level of scary and my family really seems to have little interest. I have some thinking to do and really have to sit down and talk with my wife some more. To be perfectly honest, from the posts I am reading it sounds like true nudism is dying, being replaced by flesh parades for sleazy swinger types. I appreciate the advice, but at this point I am not sure if I am interested in pursuing nudism or not. To tell the truth, I would probably be perfectly happy just being nude with my wife, maybe on a secluded camping trip or something.
What attracted me to the lifestyle was people for whom nudity was not a big deal. I guess I had assumed they were well informed, tight knit and very un-accepting of sexual behavior in their midst. From what I am reading now it seems they are, as a whole, rolling over and just letting a massive takeover by sexual deviants happen.
I am sure that there are still good nudist facilities out there, but if there is even one 'sex pit' which uses the word 'nudist' in their name or advertising, that is one too many for my taste. I would rather wear clothes than accidentally expose my family to that and it seems that even some formerly 'good' facilities are even starting to become some of the facilities catering to sex mongers. What's worse, it appears as if some of them are very subtle about it, as if to try to trick nudists into signing up so they have some eye candy for the swingers. I thought a nudist resort was a place where my kids could run without fear. It seems now that many of them are turning into places where kids are not even welcome because they aren't old enough to legally join in the activities in the true nature of the resort. In a scarier scenario, the nature of the facility is the same, but children are welcome with an unspoken rule of 'you can look, but don't touch'. If that is your intention, you CAN NOT look! I will not risk my children or my wife to fulfill a whim of mine. I think I might step back and reevaluate until I see swinger facilities being sued and closed down and owners and patrons arrested for posing as nudist facilities while really being a place for lurid sexual activity. Nudists are apparently not the noble freedom fighters I understood them to be. When I pictured nudists in my head, I pictured a whole group of naked people who would band together like a family and kick the hell out of anyone acting inappropriately as they kicked their asses to the street. From the posts I have read, that is the exception these days, not the rule. In most of the 'bad experience' posts I have read, the most the nudists did to fight back was leave early. I think I will need a law clearly defining nudism as a non-sexual nude lifestyle, making it illegal to use the terms 'nudist' or 'nudism', 'naturist' or 'naturism' if a facility or its acceptable patronage have any sort of sexual agenda, even if that agenda does not include actual sex acts.
Anyway, I have some thinking to do and I have to talk more to my wife. Be aware that I do KNOW that there are still good nudist facilities where they WILL kick your ass to the street for propositioning other guests. I'm just not willing to throw the dice and take my family to a resort to find out what kind it is, especially being the first visit ever to such a facility.
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Posted - 01/20/2007 : 2:54:16 PM
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asmodee wrote: Anyway, I have some thinking to do and I have to talk more to my wife. Be aware that I do KNOW that there are still good nudist facilities where they WILL kick your ass to the street for propositioning other guests. I'm just not willing to throw the dice and take my family to a resort to find out what kind it is, especially being the first visit ever to such a facility.
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My response: Regarding good nudist facilites...these are the only nudist venues to which I will visit or recommend. My club, Travelites, is definitely one such club.
:) Cheri
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Diger
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Posted - 01/20/2007 : 9:20:35 PM
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Asmodee,
Please don't judge all nude places because of a few. This past summer we were at a Nude Beach in FL when a family with two girls about the ages of your kids showed up.
The girls had the best time flying kites, playing in the sand and just enjoying themselves. They walked around with their dad and spoke to everyone they would meet.
Everyone’s day was just a little brighter and I know those kids were safer that day than if they were on a textile beach. If someone had even looked at those kids wrong there would have been at least a dozen people to deal with, me and my wife included.
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songbird
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Posted - 01/21/2007 : 12:05:25 AM
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from songbird , I know children I was one & every one on the forum was one unless you come from another world Iknow that I was brought in the country Of New zealand on A farm where you could go skinny dipping with out fear of other people but children should protected at all time since I came to Australia I have seen a lot of things & there are so many odd people out there if you get what I mean so Protect your children & don't force them into something they don't feel right with let them decide when they feel okay about nudism or being naked that it, .
I hope I won't bother any body best wishers, D,A Svenson
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Nudony
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Posted - 01/21/2007 : 3:44:25 PM
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It seems, with all due respect, that you are trying to use the few bad elements in nudism to justify your indecision. Swinging resorts are actually a very small percentage; and all you have to do to eliminate that issue is to do some homework. I've been to many resort with my family, and not once have stumbled upon illicit activities. The "trick" with nudism is that you cannot be indecisive: cautious, yes; but not indecisive. You have to develop a strategy, and then pursue it. The first step is to show comfort and naturalness in nudity; you cannot accomplish this by going nude just once in a blue moon, or encouraging the kids to be nude when you are not nude yourself.
I also think you are trying to jump steps. IMHO, one should not attempt the nudist resort until nudity at home is a common non-event; that eliminates the "shock" factor and the potential for the first-time resort experience to turn out bad. To accomplish this, you have to lead by example. If you encouraged your kids to go nude just that once, and left it at that, you cannot expect them to just continue by themselves; you have to continually motivate them until a pattern/routine is established. Most of the people I've talked have used daily bath/shower time to get their kids gradually used to seeing them nude; in most cases, the kids get used to it and ultimately join them. Some people, such as allnaturalwife, elect the more radical method of simply not wearing clothes at home under most circumstances; all her kids are nudists. These are but two common methods.
But you have to evaluate for yourself whether you want nudism as a part of your way of life, or just as an occasional recreational activity. If you are solely interested in an occasional activity, then maybe a trip with just your wife would be sufficient.
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zippoman1950
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Posted - 01/21/2007 : 10:04:03 PM
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I'd just like to add that I know of no AANR affiliated resorts that promote or accept swinging as a part of nudism...any I have ever attended with my late wife and daughters and even since their passing fully disdain the swinging lifestyle and promote wholesum family activites where people of any age can enjoy and feel safe and comfortable. I think a little bit of research into any resort you plan on attending should be done regardless of whether it's you alone, you and the wife or the whole family.
I also totally agree with Nudony's and Diger's posts.
I suppose we could all blame "a few bad apples" and let them ruin any activiy we decided to choose...from bowling to golf....much less nudism.
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