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naturallyspeaking
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 Posted - 06/04/2007 : 04:56:37 AM
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SOME THOUGHTS TO PONDER...
IT is said, "if a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound?"
What about, if you think you are privately enjoying the woods nude, but someone is watching, are you really private, or only private in your mind?
Is wearing clothes an illusion about hiding yourself? Is being nude an illusion about not being exposed?
If you close your bathroom door and believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are private, but yet there is a hidden camera, was your privacy an illusion?
If you are selling your house and decide to sun yourself in the nude in the back fenced yard believing you are private, but yet the new property satellite is overhead that day and someone is dialing up your backyard on google with the zoom... was your privacy an illusion?
Enquiring minds want to know...
Any comments?
Are clothes an illusion? Or worse, a delusion that we can hide ourselves from society? From God? Or are we are naked before God and man...
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old hippie
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Posted - 06/04/2007 : 12:44:48 PM
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While the clothes may not be an illusion (to the extent that we can be sure of any phenomenon), there may be an illusion in the notion of privacy; if one regards the idea of privacy as an extension of being alone, apart from society, separate from others, then there may be an illusion embedded in that idea.
The environmental movement has reminded us in recent years that all life on the planet is interconnected in a biological manner; similarly, all members of a society are interconnected in a social manner. The connection may be immediate or remote, but it exists. Buildings, distance, or clothes may make the connection more remote, but not obviate it.
The premise of "privacy" is a premise that one can separate one's actions or behavior from the rest of society - that may be the illusion. SO, it's a good idea to refrain from actions which you might not like to have advertised. This is not to say that all actions should be public - no one wants to watch me floss my teeth - but only to say that "privacy" is neither a right nor a reality. We simply have some social agreements not to share certain experiences with strangers.
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CMx2
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Posted - 06/04/2007 : 1:11:32 PM
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Without confusion, I've come to the conclusion that with a few exclusions, illusions without intrusions are a delusion and need no diffusion.
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naturallyspeaking
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Posted - 06/05/2007 : 03:19:16 AM
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wow, both of these posts are very deep...will take a while to meditate on...
I think what I was getting at was that we shouldn't try to hide behind false assumptions, like dying gray hair, etc...
I often try to convince myself that a hairpiece is the same as dentures-- but the social mindset about hair not being essential while dentures are is difficult to shake...
I read once about how even women of certain cultures are self-concious about a lack of hair and buy it. It's hard to change who we are--
Sometimes what is real is elusive...take for instance the lady who goes to great expense to build an image--designer clothes, etc... and another who is happy with blue jeans and no make-up, and yet another who is happy with not a stitch on on the beach...
I'm not quite sure what I'm getting at here...
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james423
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Posted - 06/05/2007 : 9:46:22 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by naturallyspeaking
wow, both of these posts are very deep...will take a while to meditate on...
I think what I was getting at was that we shouldn't try to hide behind false assumptions, like dying gray hair, etc...
I often try to convince myself that a hairpiece is the same as dentures-- but the social mindset about hair not being essential while dentures are is difficult to shake...
I read once about how even women of certain cultures are self-concious about a lack of hair and buy it. It's hard to change who we are--
Sometimes what is real is elusive...take for instance the lady who goes to great expense to build an image--designer clothes, etc... and another who is happy with blue jeans and no make-up, and yet another who is happy with not a stitch on on the beach...
I'm not quite sure what I'm getting at here...
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Actually, you might find that both the woman who goes to great expense to build an image and the woman who is happy with blue jeans and no make-up might also be happy with not a stitch on at the beach.
My wife & some of my friends dye their hair, I leave mine gray. Don't mind it if they want to give the illusion of being younger. I'm happy with my graying hair, don't see any reason to follow suit. To each his own. Hairpieces just usually look fake & I think most look better bald if they can look at it semi-objectively (but loss of hair is stressful for some & if they feel the need, I'm not going to criticize them too much for getting a hairpiece). Again, to each his own.
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CMx2
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Posted - 06/05/2007 : 10:09:33 PM
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Aha! I think you found the REAL illusion!
Thats when a guy thinks he's fooling everyone with that really bad hairpiece which in reality only draws attention to the fact that he's bald.
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thornapplebison
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Posted - 06/07/2007 : 03:45:33 AM
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I was in Iraq a couple of years ago, taking a shower. The shower stall was outside a hangar we lived in, and it was made of wooden ammo boxes, ripped a little apart and nailed and stapled together, with 550 cord (a good strong string) and a camo poncho providing the shower curtain. It afforded no real privacy, as there were 3-4 inch gaps between the slats of wood, and the wind would throw the curtain around-- sometimes tearing it, if it had been secured to the wood. I was always afraid of a good, strong wind taking the whole thing down on me.
So, as I say, I was taking a shower. We had 5 gallon jugs of water and a little battery-operated Coleman shower/pump. It was great. Just then, a whole company of new arrivals to that part of Baghdad decided to have their formation. Right in front of my shower. I was not finished. I wasn't even partially clean yet. So, I continued to bathe normally.
The 1st Sergeant of the company quickly realized his mistake and dismissed his formation after a minute of quick instructions. They left, and I got out.
While I was walking back into the hangar, one of the new soldiers, an older black female, remarked that there wasn't much privacy out here. I said, "Walls, tents and curtains don't give you privacy. People do," and walked off.
It was one of my better turns.
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naturallyspeaking
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Posted - 06/12/2007 : 07:32:02 AM
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Well, I can't relate to taking a shower in Iraq, but I took one in my yard today... always looking over my shoulder-- hoping the neighber chicks are watching...actually hiding--
As far as the hairpiece, i agree... I've spent probably over $1000 on hairpieces and they all just called attention that I was semi-bald... so I just wear a cap...
Isn't it weird that a cap is socially acceptable, but a hairpiece is suspect? Maybe I should wear nothing but a cap into the bank? Maybe I would overcome my self-consciousness over hairpieces...
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 11:17:35 AM
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I think with all this current technology,social media privacy truly is an illusion it takes one person to share something with a "freind" and suddenly within days around 2,500 people know of this private matter you shared with a "freind"
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Warmskin
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Posted - 04/20/2012 : 6:30:17 PM
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If I could paraphrase Shakespeare, Nothing is good or bad, but thinking maketh it so.
If your nudity outside the confines of the home or publicy approved nudist places does not cause you any problems,such as being seen and reported by a militant textilist, then privacy does not matter. If you think you are completely unseen, than that is what is important in your mind.
There are so many possibilities about anything you do, that they could paralyze you if you let that get to your peace of mind.
Just be judicious in where you go nude, and the rest doesn't matter. There could be 100 people watching you be nude, but if they are not bothered by your nudity, and will never know who you are, it's irrelavant if you're clothed or nude.
It's happened to me before, but with a twist. Nothing came of it, and I was amused by the situation. I should say that I was aware of their presence, but I was at an official nude beach - Secret Cove at Lake Tahoe. The people who saw me nude, also saw me afterwards in the parking lot as I got into my car to go home. They looked at me with big smiles. I smiled back, feeling like a movie star. LOL. I have no idea who they were, and vice-versa.
By the way, a tree makes no sound if no one is around to hear it fall. The tree simply makes the air around the vicinity have compressions and rarefactions that radiate outward. It takes an ear to translate those variations in air pressure to convert it to perceived sound. Never fear though, chances are there are some forest creatures around who will hear it - squirrels, bears, coyotes, etc.
“I rise early almost every morning and sit in my chamber, without any clothes whatever, half an hour or an hour, according to the season, either reading or writing.”
Ben Franklin
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Warmskin----The people you saw at the parkinglot were they just people who were also nude at the beach or hikers who often walk the trail above the cliff that allows the public to look down at us nudists..
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4reoftxtle56
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Posted - 04/24/2012 : 09:47:06 AM
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I have to agree with thornapplebison with his statement, "Walls, tents and curtains don't give you privacy. People do." With today's technology, privacy is an illusion. How many time do we see reports of hidden cameras in hotels, or other places you think you are alone. There are many shows on TV telling of high tech cameras in space, in unmanned aircraft, people flying over areas in planes, helicopters, airfoils etc who have cameras and are taking video or stills of rooftops or anywhere. Between "Facebook", "Twitter" or any of the other computer programs I cannot understand why people are amazed, frustrate or angry if a photo they post makes it way around the world in a matter of seconds. You posted it, expect to see it else where. For example, I had nude photos of myself on a nudist website only to find out "Google" had them posted in their "Photo" section. I thought the nudist site was secure. I was disappointed it was not so I closed that account and reopened another one where I did not show my face in any of the photo's. I do not worry about fellow nudist, it is the hackers out there who make it bad for all of us by posting our nude photo's anywhere and everywhere thinking it is funny.
Several years ago I saw a small plane flying over my house as I was working out in my garden. A few days later a man shows up at my front door asking if I wanted to purchase a picture of my property from the air. Last year I was sunbathing in the nude on what I thought was a private spot along a local river and heard a helicopter flying over. I do not know what if anything was seen but I had to chuckle and really did not care. When I am in a hotel room I am nude from the time I walk in the door until I leave the room, if there are any hidden cameras I do not care. I respect others privacy and if I were to find someone nude I would continue on as though nothing happened. If I was approached by that person or met up with that person at a later date I would allow them to bring up the subject and take it from there.
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Warmskin
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Posted - 07/15/2012 : 06:08:05 AM
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Warmskin----The people you saw at the parkinglot were they just people who were also nude at the beach or hikers who often walk the trail above the cliff that allows the public to look down at us nudists..
I'm very sorry that I didn't see your question, Renobiker. There were textile folks who hung around above the beach where they could easily make us out. I was wearing a brown hat and glasses, while floating lazily on an air mattress on the lake, and when we both arrived at the parking lot -they before me - they recognized my hat and glasses. I think they were amused more than anything else to see someone who had the nerve to go nude in public.
“I rise early almost every morning and sit in my chamber, without any clothes whatever, half an hour or an hour, according to the season, either reading or writing.”
Ben Franklin
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blavan
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Posted - 07/18/2012 : 11:16:52 AM
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People continue to moan about the lack of privacy, and then post copious amounts of information about themselves on social media networks. Just proves again that we are our own worst enemies. Our privacy is compromised by our own devices. They become our devices when we go to the electronics store to purchase them, and then we use the devices against ourselves. If you use facebook or any of the other "exposism" sites then quit complaining.
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