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LarryK1052
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 Posted - 07/22/2007 : 5:21:25 PM
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How much nakedness should there be? As a nudist I love and enjoy being naked as much as I can. Opportunities, of course, have to work around textile world laws and what is culturally acceptable. It would be great to be able to mow the lawn, do yard work, wash the car or just sit out in my yard naked. Of course that is not possible. Even hiking on little used trails is not with out legal risk.
There is nothing wrong with simple nudity, but how far should simple nudity be aloud to go? Let’s say that nudity laws in your state were under review and that there was political support to change them so that simple nudity was not illegal. How would you want the new nudity laws written? How much public nudity should be aloud and what restrictions should be put on it?
Larry in Kentucky
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Cheri
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Posted - 07/22/2007 : 5:26:03 PM
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Larry, I couldn't see walking down the major streets/roads w/o clothes especially shoes during warmer weather in the Midlands of SC. But, it would be great to go boating w/o worrying if others would make complaints. Here in SC, if you can be seen from the public right of way (water or concrete), it's not legal.
Cheri
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LarryK1052
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Posted - 07/22/2007 : 8:57:40 PM
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Cheri, it's pretty much the same in Kentucky. You say you wouldn't want to walk down the street. So just how would you want to rewrite nudity laws?
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catbird
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Posted - 07/22/2007 : 9:46:26 PM
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I read a booklet Vermont Unveiled, that told about places where nudity is de rigeur. That booklet said that in Vermont it is common for people to mow the lawn in the nude. Also it said that it is common in Vermont to meet nude hikers on a trail.
I don't know, because I don't live in Vermont. I wonder what do the Vermont laws say about nudity. Or is it case of the police look the other way.
Is there any Vermonter on the forum?
Naturally, Lester
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balataf
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 01:38:20 AM
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I am not a Vermonter, yet I have spent alot of time in Vt, NH and Maine. One thing about those states is that they are mostly thinly-populated forest land, with plenty of mountains.
My Uncle had a house that was a half mile from paved roads in two directions, and three quarters of a mile in a third one. His nearest neighbor was a farmer almost a quarter mile away. He had 23 acres, of which 20 were in trees. With a setup like that, and only a half-dozen cars on the dirt road each entire day, home nudity is easy. The mosquitos are a much larger problem than passing people are.
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Pete Knight
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 02:30:04 AM
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Here in the UK there are no laws against nudity, although the police can not charge anyone for being nude, unless a lewd act of a sexual and/or threatening nature takes place, they frequently arrest nude beach sunbathers and caution them, the acceptance of a caution is as good as a criminal record, but you don't have to accept a caution, if you think you are within your rights you can insist on a charge being made and take it to a magistrates court. A charge won't make it to the court as after building a case the police hand it to the Crown Prosecution Service to take to court, they will not follow it through as they know it won't stand up n court.
the other thing that happens is the police, if they know that they can't arrest for simple nudity, will ask the nude person to dress, a refusal is then taken as a 'Breach of the Peace' and you'll get charged with that instead.
So, if nude on a beach in the UK and approached by an officer of the law, remain calm and obey any reasonable request from the officer, if he asks you to get dressed, then get dressed (You can always undress after he/she has gone.), if on the other hand you are arrested, do NOT accept a caution. Even some lawyers are ignorant of the facts since the SOA 2003 went onto the statute books.
Section 66 - Exposure
(1) A person commits an offence if-
* (a) he intentionally exposes his genitals, and
* (b) he intends that someone will see them and be caused alarm or distress.
(2) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable-
* (a) on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or both;
* (b) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years.
Note the all important 'and' it requires intent to cause distress to get it through a court, simple nudity is not enough.
More info on British law available at http://nuff.org.uk/factfile/component/option,com_wrapper/Itemid,58/
Our law isn't dissimilar to Spain, the difference is our police are too conditioned by society to think that nudity is somehow wrong and ignorant of the recent change to the law.
Pete Knight
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 12:23:46 PM
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I have never read any law on nudity that separates simple nudist activity from those who use being naked to shock and gain some sort of sexual pleasure. This fact is what has to change. Law makers have to be convinced that there is a big difference between those enjoying being nude for relaxation etc., and those who are looking for a thrill.
I believe that most nudists are, as Cheri said, not looking to walk around nude on the streets and through Wal-mart. What we are looking for is the opportunity to enjoy more freedom to be nude, WITHIN REASON.
I strongly believe that we, nudists, should be able to camp, hike, skinny dip, enjoy our yards and so on, if we act in a reasonable manor. A reasonable manor means you stay off hiking trails when a large number of people are using them. You keep to your own camp site when others are close by. You also pick camp sites that block you in well. That we enjoy our back yards, but make an effort to block others view as much as possible with fences, and trees and plants. Many all ready enjoy these activities by being reasonable, but still have the threat of poorly written laws to consider.This is wrong!
All laws are a series of rewrites, added clauses, that try to cover any and all situations. Until law makers, your elected employs , write laws that address the exposure of the nude body for perverse activities, and a set of laws that speck to our being nude for simple nudist activity, we will have to be careful of when and where we choose to be nude outside normal venues.
I've said this before and I'll say it again, write your elected official, asking for reasonable laws to be made so you can enjoy nudist activities within reason. Get memberships for nudist groups that go to bat for your freedom.
The truth is most non-nudists do not understand our desire to be nude, law makers included. Unless we inform them, they will continue to misunderstand us. Another truth is that through polls, studies,etc., a large percentage of people have been nude, other then sex, baths or showers, but do not believe this to be any form of nudism. So then what is it?
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Balto Bob
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 1:01:36 PM
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Originally posted by catbird
I read a booklet Vermont Unveiled, that told about places where nudity is de rigeur. That booklet said that in Vermont it is common for people to mow the lawn in the nude. Also it said that it is common in Vermont to meet nude hikers on a trail.
I don't know, because I don't live in Vermont. I wonder what do the Vermont laws say about nudity. Or is it case of the police look the other way.
Is there any Vermonter on the forum?
Naturally, Lester
I understand there is no state law agaist nudity in Vermont. The last couple of springs there were news reports about a town (Brattleboro) that was considering a law to stop a few folks from walking down Main St in the buff. The report said a few people had been sunning in the park nude also.
Bob
Have a nice NUDE day !!
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sueallday
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 4:10:37 PM
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I agree the law must be changed to reflect the fact that nudists should not be grouped in with sexual deviates. We do lots of nude camping and we were always very careful to keep an eye and ear out for other people moving about close to our camp so we could cover up or hide. No more.
I think my husband is right. All of us are more freaked out about being seen nude, then most people are about seeing us nude. People see us out nude in our camp site do one of three things. Look away quick and keep walking. Wave or say hello, or stop and talk. The majority being the latter two.
Those that stop and talk will ignore our nudity, or most often make a comments such as "Wish I was comfortable enough to do that" or "I/we have thought about going nude but we don't want to offend someone or have someone call the cops."
We answer by saying " Your comfort will grow as you spend time nude, but you have to be nude first." Or we say " You won't offend us if you decide to go relax and go nude."
My point is I think more and more people are hearing about and are interested in nudist activities. You see more and more news and media attention given to the subject of recreational nudity all the time. The only ones who don't seem to see it is the law makers. They base their opinions on their base of voters who support them. We have to let them know that we also vote and if they don't want to change the laws, we will find someone who will.
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LarryK1052
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 8:55:55 PM
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I agree that nudity laws need to be changed. My topic is asking how and to what degree. Should people be aloud to go nude in their front yard, should they be able to walk the dog around the block or even take a stroll down town or through the mall? If you found yourself in a position of policy making or the drafting new nudity legislation how would you change public nudity laws?
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sailawaybob
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 11:09:45 PM
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What amazes me is that our fore-fathers left Europe to come to America for more freedom and less government control,maybe we should go back and try it again,I bet George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were probably weekend nudist !
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Balto Bob
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 2:11:15 PM
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Brattleboro VT
www.reformer.com/ci_7530996
The earlier link has expired. The town is STILL trying to agree on an ordinance.
Bob
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sueallday
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 2:41:18 PM
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Larry, you are asking the $64,000 question. You will find that everyone will want different freedoms. How far do you want to go? Total freedom to be nude where ever, when ever? Or the freedom to enjoy nudity, as Later said, with in reason?
I want to be able to enjoy my back yard, go camping, hiking, without fear of legal problems. I don't want to walk the streets, go to the mall, nor do I believe any nudist ever expects to be able to do this. I want laws that seperate nudist activities from the laws designed to deal with exposure and indecent acts for sexual gradification.
In Canada now because of different court cases, if you are out camping, or in your back yard and you are wearing, suntaning lotion, flip-flops and a ball cap, you are not considered nude. The way the police have decided to get around this is to charge you with Creating a Public Nusance. This way the courts don't have to even deal with the question of your nudity. A charge dealing with nudity is not up to the police, it is brought after a report from the police to the, if I remember right, the provincial attorney general who then decides to charge or drop it. This is seldom done because the crown would have to show that your nudity fell under one of the clauses of the law as it's written. In other court cases it as been found that simple nudity does not support the charge, so the police lay public nusance charge, tell you to smarten up and leave.
I want laws that allow me to walk or sit in my yard or campsite, hike wilderness trails, and if I want to do this in the nude I will have that legal right.
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Pete Knight
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 3:03:08 PM
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That sounds just like the problem we have here in the UK, the law is quite clear, nudity is NOT against the law, but the police get us with 'Breach of the Peace' which is much the same as your 'Creating a Public Nuisance' law, except the BotP law was enacted to deal with violence.
Heads they win, tails we lose!!!
Pete Knight
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catbird
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 4:09:14 PM
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There is the WNBR (World Naked Bike Ride) every year in early June. This has been going on for several years. Technically WNBR is a protest against world oil dependency and global warming. Secondarily it is nudist advocacy. Their practice is the slogan "As bare as you dare." WNBR is clothing optional. Some are totally nude, while some wear a bathing suit or are topless or wear a thong bikini.
As for WNBR and the law, the First Amendment (Freedom Of Speech) is mainly their justification. Police are sensitive to The First Amendment. In some cases, the WNBR organizers get police permission ahead of time and sometimes the police escort them. However with this year's WNBR the Denver, Colorado, police conducted a mass arrest for indecent exposure. In Denver WNBR is taking the case to court, and it will be interesting how the court case turns out. Ironically Boulder, Colorado, had a WNBR without any problem while some of them were totally nude. Oh yes, there has been a WNBR in Washington, DC, the nation's capital in 2006 and 2007; it wasn't until the 2007 WNBR that anybody dared to be totally nude in our nation's capital. If anybody is afraid of being arrested, my advice is wear a bathing suit.
Perhaps a similar nudist worldwide protest could be held. It doesn't have to be parading down Main Street. Maybe a specific day is agreed worldwide ahead of time when nudists work in their yards gardening, mowing the lawn, sunbathe, or just sit in their yards naked.
Naturally, Lester
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Pete Knight
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 03:51:05 AM
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my advice is wear a bathing suit.
It wouldn't be the World NAKED Bike Ride then would it?
Pete Knight
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