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 Posted - 02/03/2008 : 11:47:32 PM
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This is a thread started to keep this discussion separate from the original thread. In that thread about "pure" nudist resorts, a member lselden had asked,
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Obviously, nudists are individuals, with diverse motivations. Of course there are some who are really voyeurs, who love the pleasure of seeing other naked bodies. I don't believe there is anything wrong with that, even if those are bodies of children, teenagers, mature adults or old people. Perhaps very primitive societies fall in this category, such as some African tribes, where everyone is nude all the time, or some South American Indian tribes, where the people are almost 100% naked all the time. At the same time, in most cases, sexual activity is a delicate, highly-controlled matter, as to time and place. Children are excluded, in most societies, from being audiences for sexual intercourse. Thus, it is appropriate to have adults-only activities, when there will be some overt sexual activity, even very erotic dancing. If a couple or an individual is really interested in having a semi-public (as in nude, or nearly-nude, erotic dancing) sexual nudist experience, it would be fitting to really investigate carefully to make certain that the intended nudist or clothing-optional resort actually caters to, or encourages, this. This probably would not be the place where most families would want to take children, although some families may want their children to be exposed to "nudist loving couples" involved in erotic behavior.
Question: Is there something morally wrong with children seeing adults involved in nude erotic behavior?
Larry Selden
"Is there something morally wrong with children seeing adults involved in nude erotic behavior?"
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Phydeau
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Posted - 02/04/2008 : 02:07:57 AM
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I'm going to leave this one to the more seasoned veterans. But for my two cents, I clearly remember being five years old and turning my head while saying "eeeew!" when people (clothed people) kissed. I wasn't scarred by it. I don't know how that relates to more overtly sexual scenarios, but I thought I'd throw it in.
This topic could get ugly, though. With as much persecution as naturists already get, it would probably be best to keep kids away from any situations that would make people freak out.
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Posted - 02/04/2008 : 03:57:22 AM
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Its my opinion that this would be crimminal and some form of child abuse. To expose children to nude erotic behavior is disreputable and could close their doors permantly as i have witnessed at one such venue and many arrested and the media frenzy wasn't pretty. This would end up in the Nudist Hall Of SHAME, and give true nudism a black eye which it doesn't deserve, do to some deviated few who exposed children to erotic behavior, nudism was the scapegoat unfortunately, the ones who need a flogging weren't nudists at all.
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Posted - 02/04/2008 : 04:54:37 AM
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go n nude- I agree with you on the legal issue. But, the moral question is harder. Kids probably see too much already.
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Cheri
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Posted - 02/04/2008 : 09:13:33 AM
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IMHO, when children see other than family-friendly activities in a nudist environment, that alternate behaviour is imprinted on that child and that child will always relate sexuality with nudism. It's totally inappropriate to have sexual activity with children around. It's different if a child walks into his/her parents' bedroom.
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HappyDaz
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Posted - 02/04/2008 : 10:05:20 AM
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"Is there something morally wrong with children seeing adults involved in nude erotic behavior?" YES, absolutely. I don't know that I can express my feelings any better than go n nude, Balto Bob and Cheri have already done. Based on feedback I've seen on this site and heard in person from other nudists about what goes on at some supposedly 'family friendly' resorts, this issue is going to challenge our community for some time to come.
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bigAl385
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Posted - 02/04/2008 : 8:19:33 PM
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Please stay with me here, I think that overtly erotic behavior is not appropriate for any age. My wife would be offended and she is of the age of consent. However I do have some issues with undefined terms like "erotic behavior" because it is too broad; e.g I really like a women in sweat pants, no seriously I don't know why but I find them more attractive than a women in what ever maybe I need help. What if a women struts around in sweat pants and kisses a companion, is this erotic? Holding hands, heaven forbid a male erection. Solution, I propose we define erotic behavior as the knowing act to entice another person. Allow that act in those places where consenting, of age adults gather, and disallow in family or open environments.
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whitey100
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Posted - 02/04/2008 : 11:20:16 PM
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The big problem with topics like this is: Like beauty, erotic behavior is in the eye of the beholder.
About three years ago my wife was recovering from very serious spinal surgery.....she suffered from muscle spasms in the mis back region. The doctors gave us a topical ointment for me to rub on her back when this occurred.
I really became fed up with one old busybody are our camp that kept complaining to management about "how often they engage in erotic behavior right there beside the pool! They are indulging in foreplay!"
I'll absolutely acknowledge that there are some obvious limits beyond which actions may well fit the erotic behavior, but I doubt that there is some "one fits all" answer, and far too often that is what some people (yes, even here) want.
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Phydeau
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Posted - 02/05/2008 : 02:01:22 AM
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I really hate that this is the second time in as many days that I'm comparing the discussions here to discussions in art forums that I frequent, but whitey100 is making it kind of relevant.
Bear with me: The argument over there (not coincidentally, also about people in various states of undress) is the debate between what constitutes art vs. pornography. There are some over there that think all nudity is pornography. It's very irritating, especially to people who make their living as artists. A lot of people make the argument that pornography, every bit as much as beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Artists appreciate the support, but there's more to it than simple personal opinion. The more supportive opinions are the ones that actually support the ART aspect over the NUDITY aspect. Those in that mindset are locked into believing that nudity in itself is erotic. And , by the way, "eroticism" is yet a third element that is as vague over there as it is in this thread. The more experienced realize that the difference between art and pornography is a matter of INTENT. Porn is deliberately intended to arouse sexual thoughts in the audience. Though this can be done with impressive technical skills, the "message", which is the point of artistic expression, still only to arouse people's sexual desires.
Hold that thought.
On this site, the big argument is is between what is nudism and what is exhibitionism, and by relation, voyeurism. Voyeurs don't care about tanning or swimming or barbecuing. They just want to look at naked people for sexual thrills. Exhibitionists want to be seen, and get a thrill out of being seen. It's equally clear what their intentions are. Again, it comes down to INTENT.
Now, the big monkey wrench in the equation. What is "erotic"?
None of us really knows that. Some things are pretty clearly private. Actual intercourse, for example is OBVIOUSLY on the other side of the line. Let's not get crazy. We're talking about somewhere between a wink and a French kiss, which is a wide range of amorous communication.
So without a clear definition of "erotic" behavior, this thread has the potential to get people riled up for no reason. We could be five blind men describing an elephant.
That being said, though, I think there's another question about intent. If someone is giving his wife a shoulder rub, and his purpose is to relax her muscles, and not to turn on people around them, is that really "erotic behavior"? If it's not, then does the situation change when children are around?
All this in an ideal world, of course, and not the litigious society we currently live in.
I agree with Cheri and the others. There are things that children should absolutely not be subjected to intentionally. When I made my first post, I was thinking about a much milder definition of erotic behavior, like staring into each other's eyes and maybe stealing an occasional kiss, not a full-blown orgy.
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go n nude
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Posted - 02/05/2008 : 06:16:40 AM
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We all have the right to our own opinion, and we may not all agree on everything. The question is it morally wrong to subject children to sex acts in nudist settings.The Law closed a so called resort here 10 years ago that was allowing sex acts with children present and some who thought sex with children was ok. Its child Abuse and its a crime,the owner was put in jail and many charged with crimminal offences including parents of children for allowing it, childrens protective services had to be called in too what a mess and a shame. Parents have a responsibility to their children and its not easy. There is a time and place for everything.Sex acts with children present isn't nudism at all.Its a CRIME.
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Posted - 03/08/2008 : 2:38:23 PM
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I do not know if there is something morally wrong with children seeing nude erotic behavior. Morality is somehow personal.
I do think there is something medically wrong with children being continuously exposed to violence as is universal on television, movies, games and so on. Children become habituated to the violence so that (a) they seek it and (b) it takes progressively more violence to generate physiologic excitement in response.
Kids need the time and space to be kids. Part of being kids is competition--color wars at camp, dodgeball at the gym, Friday night football and so on. There's a hint of violence there. But it's distinct (at least to me) from TV characters being gunned down every week (or every night).
Similarly, developing sexuality is part of growing up. Seeing adults involved in nude erotic behavior occasionally is probably no less healthy than masturbation and other forms of typical childhood sexual behaviors. But it's distinct from being constantly and involuntarily exposed.
Personal thoughts aside, the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has decided that exposure of a nipple or buttocks during prime time is an offense and broadcasters can and should be fined. In contrast, divorce,abuse and other physical violence and death is acceptable entertainment. One has to make one's own moral judgment about that logic.
Is anyone aware of charges being filed against pugilists who have allowed children to witness their violence?
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Posted - 03/09/2008 : 05:58:07 AM
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Children see and children do! If parents don't instill some morals in them and leave it up to someone else or tv. there's going to be trouble.Violence as we know is breeding very disasterous results, children taking weapons to schools and murdering people.Maybe too much exposure to it. Who can parents blame there. We have 24/7 violence on tv. and Video games with murder and mayhem all the rage. Its going haunt us for sure. Morals are personal in deed, one's own ideas of right and wrong,without them in children we'll be very sorry. As for nude erotic behavior the results of that'll make one sick.
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Posted - 07/26/2008 : 07:00:59 AM
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I agree the topic is too broad. I think here in America especially with our western heritage and church based morals, we tend to look for things that normally would not be considered erotic and make them erotic.
I for one grew up in a home never seeing my own mother and father nude or kiss one another or hug one another EVER. Affection was taboo. I definitely heard their sex through the bedroom walls and was not strangely disturbed, I did not need therapy or have to talk to anyone about it, it was just human nature and even at that young age I was mature enough to understand that.
I didn't know what the female form or other male forms looked like till I was well into my teens. I did know however that at 12 or 13 I enjoyed nudity and practiced it often when the parents were away seeing as we lived on a huge farm.
I think that if I had grown up seeing some sort of expression of love from my parents that it would have explained a lot of the bumps in the night I used to hear, or at the very least have been introduced to the nude body at home and it could have saved me years of stumbling and fumbling. I remember making comments when I was younger about a bikini clad model or something and the only thing my mother would reply with was "You wouldn't know what to do with it if you had it anyway." or how I compared to other males. Then maybe I wouldn't have been put through that teen aged awkwardness.
Most folks are worried about their kids seeing something erotic at home, well look no further than your television set. Even today's cartoons have sexual overtones and we sit our kids right down in front of the tube and pretend their upbringing is wholesome and then later on get so frenzied when they know more about sex than we do at their ages.
In my home, nudity is the norm for my wife and I and our two children who are at home 16 and 12 (girls) do as they wish. They can join us if they choose but are not forced too. We have the luxury of having a group shower in our home with five shower heads and yes sometimes we all shower at once. My wife and I hug and kiss one another all the time in the nude even with the kids present and we always say "I love you." to one another.
Is the idea of washing my wife's back or her washing my back considered erotic? To some people, "Yes." To others "No" You see this is a per person/per incident basis and wholly depends on the morals, structure and attitudes of the family and incident in question.
Also from a males point of view, I can safely say each man knows this too. A penis has a mind of it's own and yes sometimes it becomes erect for no reason at all. Why is this frowned upon? It's a natural state for men. Why is a soft penis OK, but a hard one wrong? I've read nudist etiquette over and over and find in every FAQ I've ever read that if a male nudist gets an erection, he should hide it with a towel, or lay on his stomach until it goes away. WHY? I think ladies don't understand because when they become aroused they don't have to hide anything and do not realize that an erection is not always about sex, much like nudism.
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Originally posted by bigAl385
Please stay with me here, I think that overtly erotic behavior is not appropriate for any age. My wife would be offended and she is of the age of consent. However I do have some issues with undefined terms like "erotic behavior" because it is too broad; e.g I really like a women in sweat pants, no seriously I don't know why but I find them more attractive than a women in what ever maybe I need help. What if a women struts around in sweat pants and kisses a companion, is this erotic? Holding hands, heaven forbid a male erection. Solution, I propose we define erotic behavior as the knowing act to entice another person. Allow that act in those places where consenting, of age adults gather, and disallow in family or open environments.
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Posted - 07/27/2008 : 3:14:08 PM
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Johnny, welcome to the forum. This being your first post, it was a very good one.
You segued into an erection discussion there, let's hope folks can stay on topic for this thread about children. We strive to keep the forum quality up by always returning to topic by the end of your post.
Just a note for all the erection debate enthusiasts -- there are several threads already for that.
Johnny, did you mean to include the erection discussion in relation to what children should see at a nude club, resort or beach? We would recommend that an accidental erection should be kept entirely out of the view of other guests' children, under any circumstances.
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Posted - 07/27/2008 : 10:12:36 PM
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I wholly agree I did stray off topic a bit and yest sometimes I ramble, however I digress. I simply think that in the context of a nudist club and or social gathering that includes children, yes there are certain parts of the male anatomy that could be quite daunting and intimidating to younger children who are not of age to understand what it is they're seeing and how to process that information so I can see where discretion would be wise. Thank you for pointing that out.
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Johnny, welcome to the forum. This being your first post, it was a very good one.
You segued into an erection discussion there, let's hope folks can stay on topic for this thread about children. We strive to keep the forum quality up by always returning to topic by the end of your post.
Just a note for all the erection debate enthusiasts -- there are several threads already for that.
Johnny, did you mean to include the erection discussion in relation to what children should see at a nude club, resort or beach? We would recommend that an accidental erection should be kept entirely out of the view of other guests' children, under any circumstances.
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Posted - 11/18/2008 : 4:05:22 PM
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If I were a five year old, I would want to go to a nudist resort to have five-year-old fun. What's fun for a five year old? Maybe playing games, splashing in a pool, coloring books, being on a swing, going down a slide, and the like. I don't think seeing sexual activitiy would be on my to-do list, and if I did see people engaging in sexuality, it might affect me in ways that would not be healthy for me.
Children are people, too.
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