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Cinderela
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 Posted - 06/06/2003 : 11:51:30 PM
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Why are nudist men or boys not allowed to have erections, while women and girls are allowed to become as aroused as they want?
I've been pondering that question since my earlier years, but was too afraid to ask. 50 years ago the bikini was linked with pornography while now-a-days it's just another swimsuit. Maybe 50 years into the future, people won't be so uptight. It seems stupid to me to constrain men so much when we women are guilty of being aroused just as much as men, only we have fewer limits.
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Cheri
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Posted - 06/07/2003 : 08:09:11 AM
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Male erections are VERY noticeable, female arousal is not.
It is sign (sociologically speaking) is a sign of aggresion. It's not that it is not allowed, men can have them, just cover it up, go swimming, or leave...it is offensive to many.
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Mic
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Posted - 06/09/2003 : 12:10:21 AM
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I must disagree, an erection is not a form of aggression, it is either a reaction to visual or mental stimulous. I agree don't flaunt one but do not condemn a man who has one.
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Cinderela
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Posted - 06/09/2003 : 04:52:59 AM
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I agree with Mic. Kudos Mic. As a female in my late late late teens I don't see why guys should have to worry about getting kicked out if they have one, so what. Some women get bigger chests just to look more attractive and bigger chest sizes are usually associated with a woman that is aroused and ready to mate so to speak. By that logic men should be able to get some sort of erector type surgery so that they are always in a sexy position.
Good Lord I can't believe I'm wasting my time writing this malarky and starting this discussion...this conversation is ridiculous. Forgive me for a ridiculous post. Oh-well maybe someone else will rescue this "thread" by posting intelligent things like you guys. On with the show! POsts away!
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Cheri
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Posted - 06/09/2003 : 11:02:38 AM
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I know it's a normal function but it can and does offend. You're not at the nudist venue to flaunt your sexuality.
Please don't discount those who have spent many hours doing research and are well known in their field. Sociological research proves/shows that it is a sign of aggression.
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panhandler
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Posted - 06/10/2003 : 12:28:01 AM
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I just had a chat with a Psychology.I asked her about an erection being a sign of aggression. She said " if an erection was a sign of aggression then any man who got into a fist fight with another man would have to have a hard on...and I don't see that happening ". "if an erection is a sign of physical aggression why do infants get them? ". " now if a man gets off by violence and gets an erection while being violent (which happens in some cases) then there is a problem".
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Cheri
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Posted - 06/10/2003 : 09:40:45 AM
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Try reading some sociology texts or some of the prominent Sociologists. Psychologists know psychology.
We're not talking about todlers or infants nor warriors on a battlefield. We are talking about non-sexual nudity.
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veeteear
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Posted - 06/10/2003 : 09:58:51 AM
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erection is natural which not always in our control and most of it is embaressing us more than the viwer.(they can avoid to look at it)
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Cheri
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Posted - 06/10/2003 : 10:03:41 AM
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AND, you can cover up so as to not draw attention
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veeteear
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Posted - 06/10/2003 : 10:17:42 AM
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most probably i'll do cover or find a cover.i belive that is the right thing to do .
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grand kai
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Posted - 06/10/2003 : 3:05:38 PM
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Stating that an erection is a sign of aggression and/or a sign of sexual arousal is truly a generalization and thus in itself proves it to be incorrect as most generalizations and stereotyps are. When I was younger I used to get many erections a day several in an hour and some lasting several hours. I can honestly say that the majority if not all were NOT sexually driven. Many occured because I was only getting 1 hour sleep a day between school and work and was overly exhausted and others were because I had to urinate pretty badly, being in the security field at the time I was unable to relieve myself when I needed.
From as far back as I can remember I did not get erect when I was sexually aroused only when I was stimualted physically in a sexual manner. So I am one that does not fit the generalization. I have been a nudist all my life and like most have my own openion and that is I not only accept myself for how I look ALL the time and am not embarrassed enough to hide anything at any time but also will accept anyone else for how they look, who they are and will not ask anyone to cover up any part of themselves because of an erection, tatoo or scar regardless of the reason it is there it is still a part of them and that is all part of acceptance which is supposed to be inherant to nudism.
And by defination making a man do something and not making a woman regardless of the asthetics is predjudice, although I do believe that a woman can show arousal when her nipples are erect also and that is to most obvious as well.
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Cheri
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Posted - 06/10/2003 : 3:20:24 PM
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Albert, A woman's nipples become erect when cold. This is not a sign of arousal.
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stucker111
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Posted - 06/12/2003 : 12:25:39 AM
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Cheri,
That is exactly the point. Just as there is more than one thing that will make a women's nipples become erect, there are many, many things that will make the male member become erect.
As far as an erection being a sign of aggression, what a boatload of swill. That is one more reason that i have no faith in what any sociologist (or psychiatrist or psychologist) for that matter) has to say. Having dealt extensively with all of them (my youngest child had some severe problems), I found that, in the main, they were of absolutely no help, and in fact were clueless.
BTW, My daughter is fine now, no thanks to them.
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grand kai
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Posted - 06/12/2003 : 09:16:14 AM
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Cheri, so you say that a woman's nipples only get erect when cold? I must say being in Florida with temps ranging around the 90's year round, except for a week or two, there are many women that have their own air conditioning down at south beach. But seriously, I may not be a woman but having been able to learn from them inorder to understand them more I think it is safe to say that when a woman is arounsed her nipples are the majority of times erect. This can also be said about a man, since I am a man I can with out a doubt say that there are times when a man can be aroused and not have an erection. It may not happen often but does happen.
It is unfortunate that nudists/naturalists can be offended by something natural. I have never been asked to cover up but if I were I would just let them know where the 'clothing optional' or 'nude'ist section ended and they can go there to look at others that are covered up. And if I offend them I can point out so many things about them that would offend me if I was a prude.
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Cinderela
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Posted - 06/18/2003 : 7:32:15 PM
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I agree, men shouldn't be penalized for getting aroused. *chuckle*
Seriously though, it is natural and I spoke to my 16 year old cousin about it and he was extremely against the whole aggression topic. Apparently he has strong beliefs about it and hates having to constantly worry about it and use the restroom to "relieve the tension" which I know for a fact he does at least 3 times a day, daily, weekly, and monthly, yearly and so on... That to me is no way to live, I can't imagine what it must be like never being able to do it for relaxation but because if you don't then "you have to walk around with a rack that holds your towel", as he said.
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calmnude
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Posted - 06/19/2003 : 1:20:36 PM
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crazy topic. erections are offensive to some, and etiquette at beaches, camps or other settings is too throw a towel over it, go for a swim, take a cold shower. whatever. this is not a sexist or sexual issue, its good manners, like not sneezing on the food.
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