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go n nude
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Posted - 07/05/2008 : 10:44:39 AM
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Sexism is not nudism, i think everyone would agree and to each your own. The problems we get when the two try to co-exsist, we've seen and heard of experiences. A resort can be hy-jacked or ruined by some individuals bent on sexism and they'll blame nudism who will blame sexism. The masquerade of family friedly resorts some of which are hurting this lifestyle more than many realize ?? is a growing concern for all nudists who choose non-sexual nudism and enjoy it. They won't/don't fool everybody in the long run only themselves can they blame. Free will does have its retributions and is guaranteed as history has shown. Nudism is not sexism or adults only,hy-jacking this lifestyle into deviation is just they're wishful thinking , they'll find out the hard way or right way for sure.
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agde
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 Posted - 07/05/2008 : 1:41:52 PM
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Originally posted by StuffedTiger
...Why should all nudists become sex objects just because someone who was a nudist chooses to be a sex object?
...The answer is that we still have a better moral framework than our accusers, one based on basic human rights, a moral framework that clearly illuminates the real evil - forced sexuality.
The crux of the matter is indeed the link made with morality and human dignity. Sexuality can embrace both or neither. Naturism argues that it must be both. Porn glorifies objectification and sexual pleasure de-linked from moral and ethical issues. This is why naturists must always be quick to insist that anyone calling themselves a nudist/naturist must adhere to higher minimum standards in thought, word and deed. It is ultimately not an issue of sexuality, but if we are not alert and clear about the central issue of mutual respect and human dignity, naturism can very easily fall prey to hijackers on the low road.
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StuffedTiger
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Posted - 07/07/2008 : 01:10:23 AM
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Originally posted by LairdNachtan
... My point is, what we do behind the doors of our own trailer or in the trailer of a like minded friend in an appropriate place should not be restricted by conservative nudists who wish to return to the good old days of yesteryear.
It's a good point, but what is the moral and ethical basis? The conservative sees your trailer rocking one year with another couple and wonders if it will be the loungers by the pool the next year?
I am wondering if the philosophy proposed just after of your comment ("Nobody has the right to force our bodies to be their sex object.") gives you a reasonable moral and ethical basis as agde seems to feel we need to have. Here's the argument: What you do in your trailer between consenting adults does not involve any force. OTOH, doing it out on the lounger sexualizes that area and anybody in it, whether they want that or not.
You wouldn't force that sexualization on anybody else. Right? If so, then that is at least one moral and ethical basis for drawing the line where you do, and it is independent of religious or political differences.
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Jamiemazda
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 1:01:30 PM
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To Jezebel - I fully agree with your statement. I firmly believe that people can be both. I feel a person can be a nudist and a swinger too. The person simply needs to follow the rules when in that environment whether it be a beach, swinger party, nude resort and so on.
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Originally posted by SweetJezebel
My husband and I enjoy both "pure" nudism and swinger/sex-friendly nudism.
I have no problem with the sex industry itself, and if porn stars want to go to adult resorts and clubs to be nude or do whatever, then that's their business. And, for the record, nudism and sex work and/or swinging are not mutually exclusive. (Take me and my husband, for example.) A person can be a "true" nudist but also enjoy swinging, or work in the sex industry. It's not always an "either-or" situation.
Sincerely,
Jamie
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creuse67
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 4:37:06 PM
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Laird Nachtan has missed the point. I'm a NATURIST, when I go on holiday I expect to meet NATURISTS, perhaps it's me but I much prefer the word naturist to the word nudist, perhaps it's a cultural difference. When I go on holiday I do not wish to be confronted by others who are there for the sex. OK I'm narrow minded. But if I see hoardings or leaflets like 'swingers club' etc. I think I've gone to the wrong place. I am not a prude, but I do not wish to be confronted by the sweet innocents of swingers. I'm a naturist which does not involve swingers. The swingers do definitely take advantage of the facilities provided by naturists. I love naturist sites that say that they are family orientated, I do not go with my family, but it is that such sites are TRUE naturists and do not cater for the others.
Laird, which is a Scottish word for Lord, does not impress me by saying that he is a naturist and simply takes advantage of facilities at naturist resorts. I have seen it at Cap d'Agde and there is no way I would go there again. So do not pretend that the line you are taking is all sweet and innocent, you are taking advantage of 'true' naturist facilities and while you pretend that you don't intrude or invade the 'true' naturist you have an effect on the site.
I am a single male, I am a naturist, I do not wish to indulge in these extra facilities offered. I want a happy naturist holiday with family orientated people. The atmosphere created by such swingers does influence the naturist site itself.
I would like to point out that I do like sex, like almost every other human being, but I keep that well aside from enjoyment of holidays.
So let's not mess about, the swingers influence I have seen and I do not like it for naturist sites. Go to swingers clubs, there surely are plenty about. When I go on a naturist holiday, yes as a single male, I want to be a naturist and nothing more. Because that is what I like and want.
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Hawk
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Posted - 03/07/2009 : 09:54:54 AM
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If people are doing what they want behind closed doors, what difference does it make to everyone else? The camp we live at has lots of swingers and you would never know who they are until they come on to you. We've never had what I would call a rude offer. Of course my girlfriend gets a lot more invitations than I do.
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NudeAl
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Posted - 03/07/2009 : 1:05:18 PM
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I am a live and let live kind of guy and I can see that what happens behind closed doors between conscenting adults is their own business. On the other hand though if that is the pervasive over arching vibe (for lack of a better word) of the establishment then I don't feel comfortable there. I don't think I am better than anyone else it is just not my scene. I don't want to feel like the old prude I just think you should be at least as discrete about offers and invitations in a nudist environment as you would be in a non-nudist environment. So as long as it dosen't ruin the feel of the place and is not pervaisive in that it effects how things are percieved by the majority of nudists then I am okay with it. But I don't want to belong to a club that is known far and wide as a swingers destination or a resort that caters to swingers groups on any occaision. Nudist and swinging are not the same thing as we here all know and they can co-exist but care should be taken that nudists never get the feeling they are nudists visiting a swingers resort.
The woods are lovely, dark and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep. -- Robert Frost
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Warmskin
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Posted - 03/07/2009 : 6:08:34 PM
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Well said, Al! Also, let's not forget that while we nudists know, or should know the difference between swingers and nudists, the general public should be educated in this, too. If they are not even remotely informed of the difference, in their minds swinging and nudism will be the same to them, because their misinformed concepts.
Our job is to inform them as to the difference, by whatever capacity we have.
"Rock and Roll, man, on K-WASH FM, yo, raaaaap with me, mama, with 50 Cent. Git it on, Baby! "
George Washington
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Hawk
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Posted - 03/28/2009 : 08:40:24 AM
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Whatever. The truth is that to survive as a business you cater to the clients that pay. The tired old broke hippies of "true nudism" are dying out and are being succeeded by a younger swinging crowd. Over 50% of the people that go to - - are swingers anyway. Now they won't have to walk on eggshells about that or anything else anymore.
Hawk
Edited by - Admin to remove the name of a resort now describing itself as "lifestyle friendly".
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