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FlCpl4NewdFun
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Posted - 04/20/2008 : 3:16:22 PM
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Admin - I think your referring to - -Tom's post not mine. I guess he complained too. Absolutely we all make mistakes. No worries though and no apologies from you needed, you can't be held accountable for others actions.
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 Posted - 04/20/2008 : 3:51:39 PM
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You know, sorry folks. As I was investing even more time re-reading this thread, my troll detector starting beeping really loud.
Someone here took a swipe at several parties in his first post on this thread, and added several subthemes. Several took the bait, and this has degraded the original thread so thoughtfully contributed by allnaturalwife.
It began as a great topic, one of my personal favorites.
Please email or PM me if you are also hearing that irritating beeping noise.
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GrayWolf
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Posted - 04/20/2008 : 4:16:58 PM
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I've missed allnaturalwife and others who have (correctly) shied away from this site due to the topics and language being used. I've almost been there a few times myself. Posting a reply to some of the threads seems pointless. Troll or not, I see no reason to allow members to post here who do not further the cause of understanding and enjoying nudism.
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Posted - 04/20/2008 : 4:21:47 PM
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Would it be helpful to create a forum visible only to members, where you guys can list all the problem threads, and problem posters? It could be better than separate and private emails going back and forth.
FlCpl4NewdFun, please refrain from using the admittedly rather tame "WTF". Many of our members prefer our no profanity policy.
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Posted - 04/20/2008 : 5:50:21 PM
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Maybe no one wants to hear from a newbienudie, but I have a little experience with forums (not nudism) and sometimes it doesn't take too many people to spoil something that the majority wants to retain. The few tend to be the loudest in any undertaking. Of course that can work for the good also, as in the case of new and important grass roots organizations in their beginning - with a few people. If the desire is to keep a nudist community together and promoting what most profess they believe in, then maybe the sex should stay in the bedroom?
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Posted - 04/20/2008 : 6:16:04 PM
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If you were to list all the nightclubs in your city, some of them would be known for suggestive dancing or even sexy costumes. You might be inclined to declare those place not true nightclubs, but others would see you are applying a personal bias on what is represented in every mega community.
We wouldn't want folks to make the connection that nudism and sex always go together, but very few resorts attempt to entirely purge the nudist experience of all sexual expression--that expression that is natural in every community, textile or nudist. There is a difference in dressing or acting sexy and actually committing or promoting a sexual act. Some resorts have learned this, and seem to be improving their bottom line. Others struggle to serve a much smaller niche, that of the "true nudist", who seems to aggressively attack all sexuality wherever it comes within the proximity of a nude person.
Hopefully, this confusing culture will get sorted out with prolonged and sincere discussion, one of the reasons this forum exists.
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FlCpl4NewdFun
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Posted - 04/20/2008 : 10:32:33 PM
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Admin-say is isn't so. you honestly think i"m a troll. You have got to be kidding me. I have tried to contribute honest and engaging debate at this site. look at all my posts, they have been lengthy and thoughtful and honest. I am sorry for the WTF but at the time I truly was upset for the censorship of my post. If all of you just want to preach to the choir let me know and I will stop posting. I thought I was adding value, if not just say so and i will go away!
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Admin
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Posted - 04/20/2008 : 11:12:55 PM
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Just stick to the topic, and don't support topic hijacking. Don't take swipes at political parties and individuals. Be careful you're not doing any of this trollish behavior and you'll be fine.
The end result of trollish behavior, and many are not aware they are doing it, is that members get agitated and the topic is not politely addressed and explored. In other words, leading the forum to chaos, instead of order and camaraderie.
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JohnnyBoy
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Posted - 04/21/2008 : 3:38:48 PM
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Back on topic...
Trolls are trolls (I don't think FC4NF is a troll), but I'll add this to the discussion. When inappropriate topics are encountered, how we respond to them is an important part of promoting nudism. If someone posts bating or trollish posts, and we answer in a way that sends the OP away, we have in fact promoted non-sexual nudism. Understand, some people legitimately don't know! So they ask (or post their opinion in an answer to a question). I think it gives us an opportunity to "clear the air" so to speak, and define boundaries.
JMHO, YMMV
John
I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was.
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go n nude
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Posted - 04/22/2008 : 04:49:59 AM
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Originally posted by allnaturalwife
Ok folks, those of you who know me, know that I am a nudist wife and mom of three daughters 21,18, and 16 who are now and have always been raised clothes free since they were born. Those of you who know me, know from my many posts in the past, that I, as well as my family actually LIVE the life of nudists as opposed to just do it casually. We do not know of any other way to live and incorporate being nude as much as our current society permits. I am a liberal minded nudist, as is my husband of 25 years, and we have raised all three of our daughters to be the same. "Liberal minded nudist" not to be confused with the many, MANY, that inter-twine nudism and swinging. Although I do not mind discussing the "taboo" issues that come up in this way of life Ie: erections, sex..blah.. blah blah, There comes a point where all of us REAL nudists have to separate ourselves from the exhibitionists, looky-loos, and other rif-raff that seem to post on sites like this one, in effort to "muddy' a wholesome lifestyle with one that might seem seedy or suspect. Most in order to push their own "agendas"
I have not posted in a while because I feel the topics of late, center around exibitionism and center around issues that are not really about the nudist way of life. Such topics such as " the size of ones penis" are what add greatly to others pre-conceived notions of what nudism is about. Since I have lived a nudist life for 46 years, I am quite capable of differentiating between legit curiosity, and exhibitionist banter infused with sexual undertones. Unfortunately the bulk of topics I have been seeing on here fall under the latter.
So for those of us that just prefer to live life clothes free. Lets make an attempt to legitimize the topics we post about as to dispell the myths about our way of life.
JENN- nudist wife and mom
Wake up call, yes, one i'm sure others may have much the same opinion on, but have not enlightened us/or this forum to confer upon. I'm sure we all would like to dispell the myths.And not turn off/away anybody.
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FireProf
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Posted - 04/22/2008 : 09:30:32 AM
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I completely understand the need to answer newbie questions. It's difficult not to and you feel like you're not being friendly, which is a contradiction to the people in this lifestyle.
The problem we have on many of the naturist sites is that these frequently discussed topics such as penis size, erections, shaving...etc. go on and on with the same discussions, the same arguements and never any solutions. The number of threads dedicated to discussing these topics are many and with the same results.
We end up doing less service to the newbie, by arguing our opinions, then directing them to a thread that has discussed these issue from every angle and allowing them to then decide if they have any other questions that had not been answered by the pages and pages of discussion.
I think a friendly response to a new member could be..."here's a link to this topic that has been discussed in detail. If after you've read this and still have a question that hasn't been answered or discussed, feel free to start a new topic for that particular question."
I think this does a few things; 1) it answers the post in friendly manner, 2) it directs the new member to a topic they would like answers to without starting another thread on the same subject, and lastly/hopefully...it discourages the troll from starting another/identical topic/thread for the good people on these boards to argue with each other again and again.
Debate is fine and it's healthy but arguing with one another is unhealthy and unfriendly and only undermines our goal to entice others into the lifestyle. Let's keep that in mind and be conscious of the fact that we all have opinions and they differ. I'm probably not going to change mine and you're not going to change your's. Let's not let our differences in opinion turn to arguements, innuendo or name calling for the sake of trying to prove a point or try and change someone elses opinion.
This is not aimed at anyone in particular on this board or in this thread. It is only a friendly reminder to everyone here to help keep this board civil, friendly and a good source of naturist information.
Thanks and that's it for me! See ya on another thread.
FP
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 04/23/2008 : 02:46:58 AM
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Originally posted by FlCpl4NewdFun
allnaturalwife: Here we go again with the "REAL nudists" argument. If real is defined by what most nudists do, then I'm afraid to break the bad news to you that you are the outlier in this population. I highly doubt that most who consider themselves nudists live their life nude to the the extent you have described.
(Randy)- Agreed. There are varying degrees of individual practicality, situations and participation. Here in Minnesota, I'm definately not nude most of the time, except at home, and we're not blessed with a lot of places to go for social nudity. Since nobody sees me most of the time, am I therefore not a "true nudist?"
Casual nudists may not live the "life" as you say, but they are nudists nonetheless.
(Randy)- I'm a nudist, but I'm not always nude. I'm also a cook. But I'm not always cooking. I'm also a heart patient. But usually only when I'm in the hospital.
Every argument I've heard about nudism has at it's core that nudists are just like everybody else but prefer not to wear clothes.
Bottom line - nudist's are just like everybody else that's why they talk so much about sex. To me what gives nudism a bad name is the subtle hint of elitism in many of the posts.
(Randy)- I don't like the approach of defining others. I define myself. No one else does.
I really am sick to death of how often I read posts where the writer seems to want to show how much better of, and more of a nudist he or she seems to think themselves to be. I think it is insulting and condescending. As sick as many are of the never ending erection.
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go n nude
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Posted - 04/24/2008 : 05:08:37 AM
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We,re attempting to remain a legit site and respecting opinions regardless of our own opinion, it is expected, and will help greatly keeping NRO one great forum for all Nudists, and many interested in joining this lifestyle. We dont need to be card carrying,24/7 members to belong or participate in this forum/lifestyle. Nudism is family friendly we must be mindfull that what we post is giving many an impression/opinion and hopefully its a good one,to be for all members or observers as we wouldn't want to give the wrong one.And lose SOME.
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NudeAl
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Posted - 04/26/2008 : 05:44:36 AM
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I agree with most here who are in favor of clearly showing the more legitimate side of nudism/naturism. With the internet being the way it is this struggle is going to remain for as long as I can see. You see there are other more restricted nude discussion boards which are very much free from the old penis questions etc. However, they do not reach as wide and varied an audience. That is why I feel a board such as this which is open to anyone is such a valuable asset. We do need to set the reccord straight now and then and it can be a bit repetitive at times. Thankfully this board is well moderated by making us all play nice with each other we are makeing it more appropriate for discussing real nudist topics.
Now hard to say sometimes when a question is legit or a trolls bait. After the topic proceeds you can usually decide which it is however the truth is always a matter of ones own judgement. I must admit I am tired of these endless topics on shaving who shaves how do you shave are you pierced etc. But there may be nuggets of knowledge in some of these such as a certain club may allow genital jewlry and another may not. So if the main points of discussion in the thread can have some real value as it pertains to naturism we are doing good.
Good topic lets keep on with more like these.
The woods are lovely, dark and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep. -- Robert Frost
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Posted - 05/21/2008 : 04:22:53 AM
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To answer the original question
"Are we even attempting to remain a legit site?"
It saddens me, but I have to say no.
The fact is that sex sells.
The owner of these forums is catering to that business.
Unfortunately, as a result, this place seems to be becoming trolling pervert central.
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