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1inamillion
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Hi all, I have been following this thread for some time now.
What I do wish is for those that have first hand experience, not heresay, to post their experiences. All of the "my friend" or "my friends friend" says, really doesn't tell me anything. I will be visiting Cap d'Adge next year and would like the first hand experiences. Thank you.
I wasn't talking about anyone in particular, so nobody take this personally 
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Cheri
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Posted - 08/26/2008 : 6:57:42 PM
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Frank, These forums firstly are not to flame others. That's one of the nice things about them. You can take issue with what someone says but not the personality.
I take exception to you questioning my ethics. If nothing else, I have my integrity and stand my what I've said. Clyde who gave me an instance by instance take on his trip, the good as well as the bad, to France last summer is a school teacher. I don't think he'd want his name brought up in this unless you knew him. Had you been at Cedar Creek at the trip report, you would have heard it to. Had you gone to the AANR Youth Camp, you might have met him as a counselor. MelissaStarr knows him as do many others.
Doing what I can to positively promote nudism
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jtcsrtx
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IMO, both stories are gossip of the worst kind. IMO, no ethical person would repeat either one, except as an example of unethical gossip.
Cheri, your ethics may vary ... and apparently do.
I've known Cheri for several years now... I am a member of her club, the Travelites... although I've not had the pleasure of meeting Cheri yet. I can say that when it comes to the ethics involving family value nude recreation, that which is supported by AANR, TNS and other true nudist associations, Cheri has been a strong voice and presence defending and promoting what true nudism is... as opposed to what the uninformed majority assume it is.
In her years of representing the positive values of nudity, Cheri has had the opportunity to meet many people, like minded and otherwise. She is unwavering in her belief that what should be natural and normal is being exploited and misrepresented in the media and at some facilities claiming to cater to nudists but have other agendas.
I am not the "dear friend" that visited Cap D'Adge.... but I am sure whatever friend that is appreciates Cheri's consideration of not publicly naming them as her source of information. Call it good character or ethics... or respect. I do not know anyone who has visited Cap D'Adge personally, but would take any information or feedback they may offer as it was intended.. either a positive report of a visit well spent, or a message that all is not as it is seems and the trip turned out to be less than expected or advertised. I for one would appreciate such information, especially given the expense of visiting such a location, only to find such disappointment.
Feedback and personal recounts of experiences should always be taken in the manner they are offered.... if they come from a casual acquaintance you can temper the information with what you know about the source.... but if the information comes from someone you know, someone whose values you understand and share, someone close enough to call a "dear friend".. then the information as you interpret it can carry a lot more weight.
I have had questions about certain nudist topics and have considered Cheri Alexander to be a good person to provide information and suggestions, because I know that we share the same values... the same ethics, as it were.
A lot of information is posted here... not etched in stone.. and is always tempered by the writers views and positions and opinions... it is meant to be taken at face value... if there is something questionable that you need clarified, the best path to take would be to enlist more input or invite more feedback.... to help you finalize your own opinion and decisions.
Keep it on a professional level...
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NewNudistMark
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I have to say that I thought that naturism and nudism were actually about a group of people getting together and being free to do as they choose with no judgement.
Listening to this thread I am disapointed to hear that some people are judging other people for their behavior. I find this really distastful and am disapointed that it goes on.
People who believe that they are somehow better than others is what is causing so much war in the world.
Can't you people get off your high horse and let people do what they choose!
I found it interesting that someone would need a shower for just being in a place where sex may have taken place. Every nudist place I have been to, and I have been to many all over the world, has had some form of sex going on in certain places. If you choose to partake you go to these places, if you don't you stay away from these areas. It is not done in the main areas where children are etc so what is the problem?
Perhaps the person in question should not be in those areas if they do not like those areas? People are entitled to go for whatever reasons they choose, and should not have to give up their freedom of choice for a few hollier than thou people who think they are better than others. Stay away from the places that these things go on and everyone is happy.
Just go enjoy yourselves and let others do the same! Please...
yes I am sure you will have a response but unfortunately it is just about trying to be right as a lot of the threads have shown.
Everyone has the right to their opinion and no ones is more important than anyone else's!
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CMx2
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Posted - 08/26/2008 : 9:41:05 PM
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I have to say that I thought that naturism and nudism were actually about a group of people getting together and being free to do as they choose with no judgement.
This is a common misconception.
Its about being free to take off your clothes.
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Posted - 08/26/2008 : 11:53:01 PM
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It's time we touched on policy of this forum.
Yes, we require respect of the speaker, no matter whether the opinion expressed by that speaker is popularly acceptable or not.
However, like yelling fire in a theater, there are limits to what we'll allow to be published through Nudist-Resorts.Org, especially where it may affect the reputation or success of any business or person. In that case, we'll limit allowable comments to first-hand trip reports, and also limited to those that the poster is willing to defend in court, should that situation ever arise.
Any and all "my friend said" trip reports or characterizations are NOT proper subject matter for this forum.
If you have important information concerning a naturist destination or club that you feel must be told, go and tell it personally to your friends and colleagues. DO NOT attempt to use this forum to publish second hand libel or slander.
If you haven't been there, be very cautious about what you publish here. End of policy statement.
Speaking of which, who else has been to Cap d'Agde naturist resort, the "Naked City" in France?
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 08/27/2008 : 03:57:07 AM
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As I have probably said in an earlier message...a dear friend who I trust implicitly and was there last summer said there was lots of open sex, lots of things going on and when he left he felt he needed numerous showers to get clean. That is one destination to which he will not return. He is going back to Europe next summer and travel to other locations.
Cheri
Hmmmm. How about a hypothetical here: A dear friend who I trust implicitly and knows Cheri well said Cheri is an inveterate gossip who makes stuff up to support her agenda and then stubbornly sticks to her story even when its many holes have been exposed - even when it’s been conclusively proven false.
Now, let’s think for a moment. In both cases: The name of the ‘dear friend’ has not been revealed. The casual reader has no way of even knowing that the ‘dear friend’ exists. The casual reader can’t verify that Cheri’s ‘dear friend’ has ever been to Cap d’Agde or that my ‘dear friend’ knows Cheri. Both allegations are bald assertions without any supporting detail. Neither ‘dear friend’ is available for cross-examination. Is there some reason why we should believe one ‘dear friend’ and not the other?
IMO, both stories are gossip of the worst kind. IMO, no ethical person would repeat either one, except as an example of unethical gossip.
Cheri, your ethics may vary ... and apparently do.
Just because Cheri’s opinion differs from your own is no reason to act like a Nancy-boy in the third grade. The whole idea here is to express opinions in an adult fashion, and let other people have and express theirs. Cheri has an opinion about Cap d'Agde based on the experience of a friend. She expressed hers. You expressed yours. You have different opinions about the place. Why don’t you just leave it at that? Feel a need to criticize another person, just for having a differing view, no matter how it was formed? There’s no need to be a jerk. Unless you have a compulsion for it.
Right from the beginning of your trip report, you feel the need to disparage members of a particular organization, the FNN. So what’s to make us take for granted your credibility with regards to how the “typical” member of that group is?
Good work too, criticizing those pesky old tourists in your trip report! Those pains in the ( ! ) that bring money there to spend and using up your beach space. Oops! Your profile says you’re from Portland, Oregon. I guess you were just visiting. So, what does that make you, chopped liver?
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NewNudistMark
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Posted - 08/27/2008 : 06:38:15 AM
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This is a common misconception.
Its about being free to take off your clothes.
I have to say that for you that is true, and they of course are your rules. It does not mean that everyone else should live by your rules. I believe everyone should be free to choose what they do and as long as it doesn't interfere with other people's enjoyment, they should be free to do so without controlling people trying to impose their needs on them.
Perhaps these people should only go to the places where EVERYONE shares their beliefs and rules. That way they can be happy doing what they like to do and so can everyone else.
Live and let live and let everyone be happy I say
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CalTom
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Posted - 08/31/2008 : 12:19:51 PM
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Originally posted by 1inamillion
Hi all, I have been following this thread for some time now.
What I do wish is for those that have first hand experience, not heresay, to post their experiences. All of the "my friend" or "my friends friend" says, really doesn't tell me anything. I will be visiting Cap d'Adge next year and would like the first hand experiences. Thank you.
I wasn't talking about anyone in particular, so nobody take this personally
Debbie, Cap d' Agde is one of those places that has had its reputation built by myth as much as documented fact. For some reason first timers planning a trip blend a romantic Cote d' Azur image with a little "nekkid" Provence and come up with Cap d' Agde. If you are an American envisioning a vacation in the south of France and expect to see a Nice-like Promenade des Anglais and the historic Negresco hotel in the heart of the naturist center you will be sadly disappointed. Cap d' Agde is kitschy and (yes) tacky and a one-of-a-kind destination a nudist should visit at least once.
During the day a myriad of families take to the beach and flock to the various shops and restaurants throughout the resort. By night when the kiddies are safe at home, Cap d' Agde does emerge with a more distinct adult look. As an example we saw our next door neighbors, a pleasant professional German couple in their forties, going off to a party around 10 pm wearing their finest dungeon attire. Then there was the Ricky Martin look-a-like wearing black spandex leather pants oddly matched with a bright fuschia shirt (and suspenders.) The last time I looked Brooks Brothers doesn't carry any of the items I just mentioned. At up to 65 Euros a pop libertine couples can hook-up in the various nightclubs around the resort or, for the more adventuresome, there is always a drive out to the legendary L'Extasia some miles away. All of this behavior would no-doubt leave a Cheri Alexander wringing her hands in moral disgust but for Cap d' Agde its called a main source of revenue.
For the countless couples not into nocturnal shenanigans Cap d' Agde has enough wholesome attractions to remain memorable. Come frequently enough and the faces of the restaurant and shop owners become familiar as do many vacationers. Don't be persuaded -or dissuaded- by any one trip report; we are all products of our own life experience and attitudes.
Have fun next year...and book early for the best room locations!
http://genevievenaturisme.com/english/ (click rentals)
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CMx2
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I have to say that for you that is true, and they of course are your rules. It does not mean that everyone else should live by your rules. I believe everyone should be free to choose what they do and as long as it doesn't interfere with other people's enjoyment, they should be free to do so without controlling people trying to impose their needs on them.
Nope.
Nudism is about not wearing clothing.
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VLM34
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Originally posted by 1inamillion
Hi all, I have been following this thread for some time now.
What I do wish is for those that have first hand experience, not heresay, to post their experiences. All of the "my friend" or "my friends friend" says, really doesn't tell me anything. I will be visiting Cap d'Adge next year and would like the first hand experiences. Thank you.
I wasn't talking about anyone in particular, so nobody take this personally
Debbie, Cap d' Agde is one of those places that has had its reputation built by myth as much as documented fact.
I’d say myth accounts for 75% of the reputation. As someone put it, Hermann Goering perhaps: tell big enough lies, repeat them often, and sooner or later they’ll be widely believed. Cap d’Agde’s Naturist Quarter gets the same big lie treatment from a lot of nudists/naturists as nudism/naturism gets from a lot of textiles.
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For some reason first timers planning a trip blend a romantic Cote d' Azur image with a little "nekkid" Provence and come up with Cap d' Agde. If you are an American envisioning a vacation in the south of France and expect to see a Nice-like Promenade des Anglais and the historic Negresco hotel in the heart of the naturist center you will be sadly disappointed.
Yeah, you go for the sun, for the sand, for the facilities, and above all for the wonderful diversity of the people. The physical plant is unimpressive, IMO: a mixture of “concrete blah” and “hodgepodge.”
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Cap d' Agde is kitschy and (yes) tacky and a one-of-a-kind destination a nudist should visit at least once.
Now that I disagree with. You’re welcome to your opinion, but it’s an opinion that a) reflects your own cultural-national-religious prejudices, and b) assumes that those prejudices are somehow right, meet, proper, godly, and correct.
And I don’t think every nudist should visit the Naturist Quarter. The intractably intolerant should stay away, as should those who go with pre-formed opinions and closed minds. Unfortunately, a lot of nudists/naturists are like that, including more American nudists than I care to admit.
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During the day a myriad of families take to the beach and flock to the various shops and restaurants throughout the resort. By night when the kiddies are safe at home, Cap d' Agde does emerge with a more distinct adult look.
Well, there aren’t many kiddies on the streets at night, and that’s really all I know. As for the nighttime look, you’re free to call it “adult” - but that’s only your opinion based on some personal standard of yours that isn’t widely shared in European cities.
Me, I’d simply say that the nighttime look is different from the daytime look. The nighttime look in the Naturist Quarter is just about the same as the nighttime look in the gathering places in downtown Montpellier, downtown Toulouse, etc.
(We had dinner just off Montpellier’s main square last Friday night, then took front row seats at a sidewalk cafe to watch the scene on and around the square until a bit after midnight. It was different from the Naturist Quarter in only two relevant respects: a) there were lots and lots of kiddies, many NOT escorted by adults, and b) no nudity to speak of.)
(But, the skin! OMG the skin! I mean there were hotties in short-short-short shorts, whose legs went all the way up to where legs are sometimes alleged to go, mingling with girls and women encumbered from crown to ankle in the drabbest of cloth, with only feet and face exposed to light and air. And a lingerie show on the front porch of the opera house, right out in front of the milling children, with models who were, well, showing the lingerie in the way potential buyers like to see lingerie shown. And little kids on skateboards seemingly intent on breaking adult ankles, and a garbage truck speeding through the crowds from garbage can to garbage can, miraculously failing to kill anyone and predictably failing to pick up any garbage. And musicians competing for handouts, and break dancing contests, and older kids doing quite remarkable skateboard tricks, and a noise level you wouldn’t believe. And the outfits! I saw some guy wearing black leather pants oddly matched with a bright chartreuse shirt and hot pink suspenders, walking with a couple of Americans in their forties in what may well have been B&D attire who stupidly almost got themselves run over by one of the new Agglo trolleys.)
(Come to think of it, I guess Montpellier’s La Comedie square _was_ different from the scene in the Naturist Quarter. The Naturist Quarter is less crowded at night, a whole lot less chaotic, more uniform in dress, and much safer for all concerned. On the other hand, they’re identical in that everyone accepts the diversity, everyone just gets along.)
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As an example we saw our next door neighbors, a pleasant professional German couple in their forties, going off to a party around 10 pm wearing their finest dungeon attire. Then there was the Ricky Martin look-a-like wearing black spandex leather pants oddly matched with a bright fuschia shirt (and suspenders.) The last time I looked Brooks Brothers doesn't carry any of the items I just mentioned.
Could they have been the same people I saw in Montpellier? Ya think?
Did you observe any violations of law? Do you regard unusual attire as immoral? Are you opposed to costume parties? I guess I’m missing your point.
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At up to 65 Euros a pop libertine couples can hook-up in the various nightclubs around the resort or, for the more adventuresome, there is always a drive out to the legendary L'Extasia some miles away.
You apparently have detailed knowledge of what goes on behind a lot of closed and guarded doors. You ought to share all that with us one day. Assuming you’re correct, which I certainly can’t verify, how is that different from other cities, mid-size or larger, in Europe and the United States? Once again, I guess I’m missing your point.
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All of this behavior would no-doubt leave a Cheri Alexander wringing her hands in moral disgust but for Cap d' Agde its called a main source of revenue.
As it is in every city, mid-size or larger, in Europe and the United States. So?
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For the countless couples not into nocturnal shenanigans Cap d' Agde has enough wholesome attractions to remain memorable.
Sort of like Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Denver, Phoenix, Chicago, NYC, Orlando, etc? I don’t know what goes down in Columbia, which is probably just as well.
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Come frequently enough and the faces of the restaurant and shop owners become familiar as do many vacationers. Don't be persuaded -or dissuaded- by any one trip report ...
Good advice! Especially don’t be persuaded by the drivel from those who haven’t been there, those who just toss gossip around.
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... we are all products of our own life experience and attitudes.
Yes, and that’s MY point. Judge not! One’s own life experience and attitudes aren’t correct just because they’re one’s own.
And remember, Americans stand out like sore thumbs in Europe. Europeans can spot them at 100 meters. Americans look odd, dress odd, act odd, often talk really loud, and many of them seem angry, uptight, and disapproving.
Far too many Americans aren’t willing to live, let live, observe neutrally, and maybe learn a thing or two. Everything has to be just like their neighborhood in Podunk, USA. There’s a word for that, but I won’t use it.
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VLM34
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Posted - 09/01/2008 : 10:09:41 AM
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I have to say that for you that is true, and they of course are your rules. It does not mean that everyone else should live by your rules. I believe everyone should be free to choose what they do and as long as it doesn't interfere with other people's enjoyment, they should be free to do so without controlling people trying to impose their needs on them.
Nope.
You might deign to consult the only ‘official’ definition of naturism/nudism, the 1974 INF-FNI definition that’s still in effect. It does NOT lay out detailed rules as to what nudists/naturists must (or must not) be, think, or do. It only requires social nudity combined with respect for self, respect for others, and respect for the environment.
Specifically, I’d suggest you think about the part that says “respect for others.”
We’re a diverse lot. Please learn to accept that. Please show the required respect for those who are different from whatever you are ... or claim to be.
I fully support the quote from NewNudistMark.
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Yes, while showing respect for other nudists - including those whose actions you may privately disagree with.
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Note to myself: I must visit Montpellier's Place de la Comedie where women have legs that go all the way up. Thank you VLM34!
I had no idea my benign little observations about Cap d' Agde contained such an insidious and intolerant sub-context. Just because our friendly Heliopolis neighbors Dieter and Petra favored studded dog collars and all manner of B&D accouterments, they could very well have been going over to the Baskin-Robbins by Port Nature. Although I can't yet explain her late night cries of "ya...ya...ya" through the wall I'm sure there is a simple explanation.
Seriously, you are a very lucky man to be immersed in the French culture away from the Quarter Naturiste. This year we drove over to Carcassonne and enjoyed the midieval sights and history away from the nude beach. However (VLM34) you mentioned la Comedie square in Montpellier was next to an opera house which sounds ominous. My wife dragged me into my last La Boheme recently where Mimi was post-menopausal and the tenor was a little Sicilian that teetered on 4" lifts and hit the high C in Che Gelida Manina as if someone was squeezing his package.
Come on...I am a very tolerant person. 
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Note to myself: I must visit Montpellier's Place de la Comedie where women have legs that go all the way up. Thank you VLM34!
ROTFL!
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I had no idea my benign little observations about Cap d' Agde contained such an insidious and intolerant sub-context.
You only 'sins' (if there are such things) were, for example, to characterize the Naturist Quarter as tawdry and tacky without making clear that that's YOUR opinion as opposed to fact. In so doing you give ammo to those we'd both like to shut up.
I hope you understand that I've been responding to your posts to make much broader points than apply to you personally.
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Just because our friendly Heliopolis neighbors Dieter and Petra favored studded dog collars and all manner of B&D accouterments, they could very well have been going over to the Baskin-Robbins by Port Nature.
Or to a costume party. I dressed up as Superman once, which doesn't mean I am.
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Although I can't yet explain her late night cries of "ya...ya...ya" through the wall I'm sure there is a simple explanation.
Could they have been making little Germans and actually enjoying it?
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Seriously, you are a very lucky man to be immersed in the French culture away from the Quarter Naturiste.
One makes decisions in life without really understanding all the inevitable ramifications. Nevertheless, after all these years, it's too late to trade her in on an American model. <G> And, for the record, I don't want to.
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This year we drove over to Carcassonne and enjoyed the midieval sights and history away from the nude beach. However (VLM34) you mentioned la Comedie square in Montpellier was next to an opera house which sounds ominous. My wife dragged me into my last La Boheme recently where Mimi was post-menopausal and the tenor was a little Sicilian that teetered on 4" lifts and hit the high C in Che Gelida Manina as if someone was squeezing his package.
Believe me, I share your pain! Fortunately, she has plenty of relatives and high school friends locally who are willing to go.
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Come on...I am a very tolerant person.
I believe that, and you're an accurate observer too.
Now, just remember to keep observed facts separate from your interpretations of said facts, and my methodology of science professors will give you an A+.
Tom, you're fun!
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Posted - 09/05/2008 : 5:34:51 PM
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We visited Cap d’Agde in early June of 2006. For us, it was a great experience. We estimated the population to be somewhere around 5,000 to 10,000 (as compared to the reported 40,000+ in high season), and many seemed to be either permanent residents and/or retirees.
The beach is amazingly clean; one of the nicest we have been on anywhere in the world. We think it a bit of a travesty to see it referred to as a Cesspool here in this forum. The wind can be a bit strong. It was northerly and (mostly) warm, coming off the Massif while we were there.
We spent 5 nights at Hotel Eve (there is only one hotel within the quarter; the rest of the accommodation options are mainly either weekly rentals of private lodgings, or space at the campsite). Although the hotel is located as far as might be from the beach it is still a nice place to stay; as it gives you a reason to stroll through all the shops, the marina, etc., on your way to the beach. The hotel also has a very nice pool that is sheltered from the wind if it is blowing; and breakfast in the nude on the rooftop terrace is a great way to start the day. Once admin gets my avatar attached to this profile, the image you will see is me on the rooftop of the hotel.
We noted the laundromat was devoid of patrons every time we passed by.
It should be noted that while you can be nude anywhere at anytime within the quarter, that doesn’t mean you necessarily should. People generally do get dressed for dinner, which seems to follow European culture. The restaurants are nothing to rave about, especially as compared to the cuisine available in textile areas around southern France, but we did not eat poorly at any time. Our French is limited to menu navigation at best, but we did not lack for anything we wanted or needed, in spite of our linguistic limitations.
And to the topic that seems to be most bantered in this thread, we neither saw, nor heard, any evidence of sexual activity in public or on the beach during our stay, not even on the swinger’s beach (see below). We saw (and heard) plenty of sexual activity at the one libertine club that we visited. While we did not patronize the other 3 or 4 swingers clubs within the Quartier Naturiste, they were clearly open and operating at the time of our visit. We therefore concluded that what we had read about the Cap is basically true: Both naturists and swingers visit the Cap. We did not, however, witness the friction between the two groups that we had heard about, but again we were there very much in the shoulder season.
The “line in the sand” between the family beach and the swinger’s beach was unmistakable: To the west of this invisible line: sparse population. To the east of the line: couples (not families) gathered rather more closely than would seem natural on this expanse of sand. This division would likely be less noticeable when the population is greater in the high season.
The worst part of the experience? Putting socks and shoes and underthings on the day we had to leave; it felt so wrong. This was the longest stay we had yet made within a completely clothes optional environment. Our bodies did not want to re-adjust to the textile world.
We will definitely return sometime.
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