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Stirbaby
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 7:21:33 PM
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Really, you think i am that kid?
Read my posts again.
You may look and see if you took off your sense of humor.
I want to ask you about something.
This is a pretty nice facility, this website, and you have a lot of members, more than 4665.
Tell me why there are more than 4200 that have never posted more than four times.
Most people have never posted, the vast majority.
You have pornograghic links on profiles for active members, active being people that are on this thread.
Is there something going on here that i am not aware of, like some hidden agenda.
Interesting to have to ask if there is a hidden agenda on a nudist forum.
Just asking
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nudeisntlewd
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 Posted - 10/19/2004 : 9:10:27 PM
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Not necessarily. Don't be insulted. I'm not making a judgement. I wouldn't want egg on my face in either case. But I have become cautious. The style is different, but the post had one phrase that seemed familiar.
I think you'll see a sense of humor in my responsive post earlier.
One thing that makes me curious now from the last post is "that kid." I won't presume to say you are or are not him but with only 6 posts under your belt, how do you know who I'm talking about when most of his items were deleted long ago and almost immediately?
Actually, I'm more inclined to think you aren't him. Not enough similarity. But in any case the powers that be (not me), have mysterious and magical ways to know the truth.
I don't think it's too surprising that most members just read and a lot don't feel compelled to comment on things. I'm sure a lot of people are just curious and others just want to see other opinions. A lot of questions and fears are answered here just by reading.
If members here have porno on their links and profiles, they aren't supposed to be here, and I've yet to see any. Admin does an amazing job of deleting inappropriate links. One came and was deleted yesterday or the day before. But I have seen practically all of the contributing members speak out strongly against such things. Myself included.
There is no hidden agenda here. The only agenda is to have interesting informative discussion and to keep the trashy stuff out. Check out the rules on the home page. They are strictly enforced.
Randy 
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Stirbaby
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Posted - 10/20/2004 : 01:07:16 AM
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Well, I was going to ask about that moderator stuff.
My reason is i am surprised to see such a little amount of on going discussion going on here.
I see great potential to build a vibrant and vocal community that might affect people’s life’s.
I mean well, but, if your Forums longest, gezz these puns are just to easy, thread s are about shaving your pubes and another topic that addresses a concern that the veterans say rarely comes up.
Don’t we have more significant issues to be working towards solutions?
Sure we do, but the forum needs to be worked a little bit.
First thing, make all new members post a note about them, and have their first several posts monitored.
Have two moderators be solely responsible to welcoming and approving all new forum members.
Second, purge the dead wood.
You don’t post in the next four weeks, you are booted.
Third, do some fun things.
Have a poll about something current at least once a week.
My suggestion?
Have a poll were nudist/naturalist vote on the presidential candidates.
I think a poll like that would wake up the lurkers, and get them to at least read the poll, and vote in the pole, again these puns are just to easy.
We can get one of our members, another easy pun, to put the candidate’s heads on nude bodies, and then we put that on the front page of the website.
This site must compete for web hits like every other site, and we can make this online nudist presidential election a way to get word about our site out to the general population and the nudist sector in particular.
I have been involved I the successful operation of a couple of niche market forums, and these suggestions, taken with the same good will that they are extended, can make this sleepy website a dynamic voice for a better world.
For a person to take off their clothes and peacefully assemble with other textile liberated peoples is a powerful insight into the heart and soul of that person.
We here have a meeting place that can be, should, an encounter zone for like minded people from all over the world.
From a meeting place such as this, great waves of change can be generates that will sweep good to the shores of many lands.
I have read over 100 pages from this forum over the last few days, and read more than 100 of your profiles.
You guys and gals, are for the most part, a small group of very good hearted people.
That is a great place to build change from.
It’s already a good forum.
I am asking if we have a dozen who would be willing to become active in making this forum a real dynamo.
It won’t take more than a dozen of us, and it won’t be a lot of time.
In 30 days you could multiply the active posting embers and clean out the dead wood.
I would like to be the first new volunteer to assist in a 30 day program to supercharge this website and this forum.
Lets talk about it.
Three things we do right away.
Start a new thread for those who are in agreement with me, and lets talk and take action to put together he weekly polls, featured on the front page of the site, and purging the membership of deadwood, again these puns are way to easy.
Smile, I got a peanut and I know how to use it!
Blessings everyone!
Stirbaby
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 10/20/2004 : 07:13:23 AM
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You have some interesting thoughts and ideas. But some of them just can’t be or don’t need to be implemented. They just aren't applicable to what this forum stands for. People will talk when they want to. You can’t just kick people out when they don’t want to talk. The idea here is to get members and get people involved, even if only by reading to further the general population’s understanding of naturism. There are lulls in the action and busy times here just like in anything else. Some of these topics are beaten to death to be sure. But as long as people have an interest in a topic and an opinion, they will keep it going.
When issues of politics and policies of concern to us as nudists come up, we are informed on the forum so we can act. Things like beach closings/openings, actions taken to limit or increase our rights, etc. But as far as politics in general, we avoid it unless it concerns our practice of naturism. This is a naturist site, and that’s what we talk about. There are other forums for politics just as there are forums for anything else in the world you’re interested in.
I couldn’t agree less that this forum needs to be worked out. Membership has doubled in the couple of years I’ve been here. Every day we get new members. Many have come and few have left. Most are just curious to learn about us, and that is terrific. We are at the very top in Google and other search engines. People can see that we are not deviants. Mission accomplished.
If there are significant issues, we hear about them. If there are issues and concerns that you know of or have that you don’t see here, don’t complain that you don’t see them here, write about them. Many members have done so and brought up topics, and they are then discussed. In fact, almost all of the topics in this forum are started by the members. Not just a few members, but dozens of them.
Making members post or be kicked out is counter-productive to growth. Growth in order to inform is the goal here.
I’m a member of several other groups, and there is none in the world that compare to the quality of this forum and the posters here. I joined one and made two posts and in six months time-absolutely no response. And these are “active topics” I wrote to.
Faking nudes of candidates is not going to make friends in the political arena. That sort of thing is best left to satirical groups, and they would likely be (and should be) sued.
I suggest that you start that thread. Maybe it will accomplish some of your goals. The only way to find out is to try. But I guarantee one thing: The Admin of this site is not going to dump anyone who joins just to read, or those who are less active. This forum is for information and participation to whatever level a person is comfortable with. Only those who violate the terms of membership get banned. Those rules are simple and clearly stated. This is a welcoming site, not an exclusionary club. If you can’t find what you’re looking for here or elsewhere on the net, I would then suggest starting a forum that is.
Randy
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 10/20/2004 : 07:17:24 AM
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I need to point out that this whole line of disussion is way off topic. It is a valid topic, but it needs to be addressed elswhere, perhaps in a new thread.
My deepest apologies to Admin.
Randy
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Stirbaby
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Posted - 10/20/2004 : 12:44:10 PM
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"Making members post or be kicked out is counter-productive to growth. Growth in order to inform is the goal here."
People are joining to see if that gets them access to photo galleries that they can look at while they masturbate.
When they don’t find those kind of photos, they just move on, and they leave their membership.
Why bother to take the time to remove your anonymous membership when just not ever returning accomplishes the same result.
You don’t have 4000 plus active members.
You just have a few thousand that have come into the site looking for assistance in masturbating, and when they don’t find that, they move on.
And if you take a look at your sites tracker, it should back up my thesis.
I mean i will visit for a while, and may try to get something going that is worth my time , but I am also looking around, all the time, for interesting topics to lead me to interesting forums.
In time, I will visit, see nothing, and visit less frequently, and still see nothing, and then just take my visits to other forums.
Please remember that I am saying all this with the best of intentions.
I wish you no ill will.
I happen to be a promoter, a provocateur of new ideas.
(of nude ideas?)
I was watching CNN and saw something that made me ask myself what would these two guys, Bush and Kerry, look like at a town hall type debate at a nudist camp.
I did a google for nudist, or nude, I cant remember, and I was disgusted with what came back from google.
This was the first site that didn’t seem to be set up to provide "relief".
So, I joined, and have posted, but, aside from the pun stuff providing me with the opportunity to have some fun, and by the way, I had a lot of fun with that stuff, I just don’t see any reason to stay.
Except for the few of the membership who seem like they are in nudism to bring change to the world, and you know which ones you are, and you are very beautiful people, the reason to take the time to visit this forum, and to participate, well, its just not compelling to me.
I was on my way out the door, never to return, and i thought I would speak my mind.
Remember, I like you guys and gals, so please don’t be to harsh in your criticism.
I certainly don’t mean to be harsh to you.
Best Regards,
Stirbaby
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Admin
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Posted - 10/20/2004 : 6:03:44 PM
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Originally posted by Stirbaby
People are joining to see if that gets them access to photo galleries that they can look at while they masturbate.
When they don’t find those kind of photos, they just move on, and they leave their membership.
I personally find this insight very valuable, since from the beginning I intended to NOT enticed lookie-lous seeking erotica. And I certainly find no value in a membership padded with these useless voyeurs.quote:
I did a google for nudist, or nude, I cant remember, and I was disgusted with what came back from google.
This was the first site that didn’t seem to be set up to provide "relief".
Thank you!  That's quite a compliment. There are a few more real nudist sites, they're just a bit harder to find.
Tell you what, let's move this discussion of forum improvements here, so those that want to share their Stand On Male Arousal at the beaches can do that.
So—to get back on topic—ahem <shudder>... "Where Do You Stand On Male Arousal?"
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 10/20/2004 : 6:30:08 PM
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I hope I haven't seemed too confrontational towards you. I just think that there is a certain amount of "bad element" that we can expect to attract, so I advise anyone who is worried not to post pics that they worry might be abused by some. I just don't believe in excluding those who do not appear active. Most I'm sure, are innocent and just curious or shy.
I also think that the primary purposes of this site are being well served.
I think that one important function is to provide information to the curious and to demonstrate to anyone wondering, that we are in fact not deviants or people to be feared, shunned and despised.
To me the other major function is to give those who are interested in speaking, the chance to do so and to meet others they can talk to about issues that affect us and are of interest to us. I think more people learn by observation and careful listening than do by speaking.
We do have several threads that offer opportunities for those who wish to share. A good one is "Post your first time experience here." I would suggest you start a thread like 'Tell us a little about yourself.' That may be a good way to get some more members to open up. No-one has to ever give identifying details of themselves here. I'd do it myself, but the idea was inspired by you, and I don't want to take credit for it.
Randy
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chuckSPF48
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 01:22:26 AM
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While I admit, I haven't read every post in this thread, I would like to give my input. I don't think merely getting an erection is overtly sexual. Even if said erection is brought on by seeing an attractive body in a nudist setting. What one does with his erection may or may not be overtly sexual. Getting up and feling the need to share the erection with the rest of the crowd is IMHO inappropriate. On the other hand, I don't think it's necessary to go too far out of your way to cover it up. I think just sitting or lying down and not touching it should be appropriate enough.
As long as there's no "showing off" or masturbation/physical sexual contact involved, I could live with it.
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HeathernJohn
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 6:52:59 PM
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Each year here in Queensland we have a nude beach Olympics on the beach - and nudity is illegal in QUeensland! There has never been any trouble with the Police at this event and an average of 600 - 700 people attend, from small children to people in their 80s. Depending on the company and the discussion, erections happen and may or may not attract any comment. The comments are often jocular and casual - despite advancing years, i get erect very easily without any particularly sexual thoughts - but the sight of naked attractive women does sometimes arouse those as well. I believe that offence is inthe eyes or minds of those who may be offended and in the intention of the possible offender. We all at times say or do something which could be interpreted as offensive by another but usually both sides understand what is intended. Perhaps we all just take the whole nudity/sexual thing too seriously. Protestantism rules it seems and when we see the way in which westerners destroyed the nude culture in the Pacific Islands, we shoud beware of continuing to impose those 19th century ideas on our own children.
Live and let live is not a bad motto IMHO.
John
Long term married, Long term nudist, Smooth, sometimes open-minded, workaholic couple
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Jochanaan
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 8:10:35 PM
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Originally posted by nudeisntlewd
You can’t just kick people out when they don’t want to talk.
That's right! It would be like showing a party guest the door because he just sat and listened and didn't say anything!
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Stirbaby
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Posted - 10/22/2004 : 12:24:03 AM
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Originally posted by Jochanaan
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Originally posted by nudeisntlewd
You can’t just kick people out when they don’t want to talk.
That's right! It would be like showing a party guest the door because he just sat and listened and didn't say anything!
Well, in this case it would be like showing a party guest, well more than half the guests at the party, the door because he just sat and listened and masturbated and didn’t say anything.
Remember, this party has more than 4600 guests, and 97% are men, and more than half have never, ever, ever never made a single post, and more than 92% have never made more than 2 posts, and the longest threads on this forum, er, I mean party, are about erections, duh, and trimming the hair on and around your genitals, double duh.
So before you make an analogy about this forum being a party, remember that most of the people at this party are sitting in the corners and masturbating.
Now, with 2300 wankers in the room, is there any wonder that maybe its time to turn the light on, just once, and see if the bugs scatter.
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 10/22/2004 : 10:18:40 AM
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Understood. But who knows who is here for what motivation(s)? No doubt there are some lurkers here just as anywhere else. There are people at the mall who aren't there to shop either. Some people come just to people watch, some just for a nice indoor walk, and some just to look at pretty girls (or pretty boys). Should we close the mall or screen those entering about their intentions?
Here's another way of looking at it: How about a football game? There are a few participants in the game and many, many spectators. None of us who post, or play the game, so to speak are ashamed of our dialog. Occasionally, we get some new members who feel we are doing something wrong with the way this site is being run (not referring to you) and think we need to guard against some percieved evil or threat. But we aren't worried about it. It's our football, and we don't mind if some just want to watch.
We see a few people come and go from time to time and sow the seeds of worry and then leave. But the group goes on with no problems. Largely because of the tireless efforts of our Admin. The guy who's football it really is. The coach.
I really have to laugh out loud at the idea that there is anyone, let alone thousands, sitting around spanking the monkey to anything I or anyone else has to say on this forum or at any of the photos found herein. 
Randy
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chic
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Posted - 10/30/2004 : 3:31:03 PM
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Randy,
As usual, very good analogy and response.
Chic
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 10/30/2004 : 5:25:56 PM
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Thanks dude. I just call 'em like I see 'em.
Randy
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