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nudesunguy
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 Posted - 04/30/2012 : 11:11:19 AM
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The world has changed; EVERYONE now has a cell phone and most are capable of taking photos. Is it really possible/realistic to ban cell phones in all nudist environments? Should the management of resorts request/demand that all patrons surrender their phones when they check in? And I guess this would also include ipods, etc. since many of those now have cameras also. Where does it end?
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rooftopwilly
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Posted - 04/30/2012 : 12:23:03 PM
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Me personally, I don't see the need for banning them. Yes, one can take photos, but they can also have one of those hidden cameras into an everyday ordinary object to take photos if they really want to. At least with a cell phone, one can usually notice if someone is taking photos or not. Besides, what if you have a group of friends together that want to have their photo taken? As for iPods, the nude beach that I go to doesn't allow people to bring radios with them without headphones. So that's my only way to listen to music if I so desire.
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BARENJGUY33
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Posted - 04/30/2012 : 12:57:40 PM
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It would be very hard to ban cell phones in a public place, like a beach. We all need that sense of security in case a call needs to be made or recieved. I know they all have cameras now, but rooftop is right. If someone wants to take pics, chances are they wont be using a cell. More likely to have a hidden camera someplace else. I'm against these idiots that have conversations at last forever, and they talk so loud. That happens everywhere, nude or not.
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rooftopwilly
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Posted - 04/30/2012 : 5:20:03 PM
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We all need that sense of security in case a call needs to be made or recieved.
Isn't it amazing how long we got along with out them, and not can't live without them?
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FireProf
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Posted - 04/30/2012 : 10:04:25 PM
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I have always said..."it's not the phones, cameras you see that you should worry about ... it's the one's you DON'T see!"
This subject has also been discussed quite a bit and for a club to treat their members and residents that way is childish. How many of you have ever visited a nudist club? When there or during any of the times you visited any club or nude resort ... have there been outside vendors on the property? Trash guys, contractors, repair people ...? Did anyone take their phones away from them? Did the club check the trucks for cameras or cell phones with cameras on them?
WHY the hell are we policing our own when we don't police those from the outside that are NOT part of the lifestyle? Stupid!
Another thing ... I've even seen clothed staff walking about talking on their phones when those of us that are naked can not have our phone with us ... what the heck kinda double standard is that???
This type of idiocy needs to stop and club and resorts need to treat their residents, members and guest with a hell of a lot more respect than they currently do. Punish those that break the rules of taking pictures without permission from the subject, and leave the rest of us alone that enjoy taking pictures of "ourselves and loved ones" and using the phone when we need to.
I will agree that there needs to be some respect for others around you. If you answer you cell phone ,leave the area and take your personal call where everyone else doesn't have to listen to it!
With regards to cell phones and pictures being taken on the beach. IT's RUDE! But then...those that are taking these pictures of unsuspecting subjects are idiots and should be dealt with ... but it is a public beach. Even so ... if you take a picture without someone's permission ... it shouldn't matter where the heck you are. YOU DON'T take a picture of anyone without their permission ... period.
Loves being naked. Plays well with others!
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nudesunguy
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Posted - 05/01/2012 : 10:25:07 AM
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Well, as someone who has been yelled at twice at different resorts for using a phone (once by management, once by an overzealous patron), I can relate. Sometimes when I am at a nudist venue I am still working (checking emails), reading online articles, or texting with my family. I, too, hate loud phone talking. But must we surrender all communication once our clothes come off? Most resorts provide wi-fi and I have even used my computer by the pool; guess what, it has a camera too.
I do think if the management of a resort sees someone using their phone in a suspicious way they have the right to ask to see the person's phone and the photos they have taken. I'd gladly turn mine over to prove my innocence. But this idea that no one can ever use a phone is completely out of date. No wonder there are so few younger people at some resorts.
At a beach is a different story. It is very rude to take a photo without asking, but it's also perfectly legal. There you have to rely on the civility of people, which is often a dicey proposition. But as was said above, in those cases the offenders are generally using something sneakier than a camera phone.
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rkitek
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Posted - 05/02/2012 : 08:01:53 AM
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I would not surrender my phone. I typically leave it in my vehicle so I can check it periodically. For those of us with children still at home, we sometimes need to maintain contact in case of emergencies.
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Posted - 05/03/2012 : 02:09:09 AM
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I'll share with you an incident we experienced at a popular nudist hot tub some time ago.
There was one single male hovering over the hot tub with his cell phone. For some reason, he looked suspicious that he needed to be standing, fully clothed, right at the edge of the hot tub, with his phone pointing right at the nude patrons in the water. He appeared to be making an obvious show of texting on his phone. I watched him.
After a few minutes, he moved over to another group of folks and did exactly the same thing. At this point I warned the people in my group to help me keep an eye on him.
Then, he stepped over to our area and stood directly over us, pointing his phone (while texting) right at my friend's attractive wife. My friend loudly told him to back off, and stop pointing his phone at us. He refused, saying he was just texting. He continued to finger the phone as my friend escalated his warning.
What ensued was ugly.
When my friend threw some water on him to get him to back off (which security later explained was assault and battery, and a good reason to arrest my friend) the phone guy went into a rage and threatened grave bodily harm to the husband. As he threw his dinner jacket and phone to the pavement, I had to run to get security.
Here's the interesting part.
When security arrived, and we explained his pattern of behavior, security escorted him off the premises. All the time he was loudly exclaiming that he was just texting, that's all.
Later that night, security told us there was nothing they could find on his phone, and that we were in the wrong to harass this gentleman. The resulting protest from the husband nearly got him arrested for the earlier alleged assault and battery (splashing the water).
Security was angry and embarrassed that they had had to act, and had found nothing. Tempers were high.
I later found out what was really happening.
When the phone guy stood over the hot tub, he opened a certain app, easily available for free on android. This opened a text window, where he typed any gibberish that would pass as harmless texting. Somewhere in the text, he used his first pre-programmed code word, which started the phone's video recorder, while suppressing any outward indication of the recorder being activated. He continued to fake his texting, while collecting video of his subjects.
By using another pre-arranged code word while typing, the recorder was turned off, and the video saved to memory.
Changing his location, he repeated the process.
When my friend called him out, he became angry because he was forced to use his bailout word, which erased all the videos he had just recorded. Of course, when the clueless security personnel checked the phone, there was nothing out of the ordinary. They couldn't fathom that there could be a covert app designed for that purpose. The perpetrator just continued to yell that he was only texting, only texting. Security let him go his way, with nothing to use as evidence of wrongdoing.
Nope. It's not science fiction. I wish it was. I found that particular app, and I have it installed on my phone right now. It is designed to entirely hide its real purpose. A second stealth mode can be used without the texting function. It just makes the phone appear to be entirely off, all lights and screen black. But it is recording video the entire time. You have to know which buttons to push to shut it off, and no one can tell, even if you hand the phone over to them for inspection. It just looks like a dead phone, while recording the entire time.
Yes, it's that evil.
Or-- perhaps this guy was just texting.
The only way to know for sure is if the perpetrator behaves 100% consistently with this pattern. And on his phone you'll see an icon very similar to our edit button  . The actual icon has a thinner, longer, green pencil aiming up and to the left. Even the name of the app can be altered, in case there is a group, like you folks, that have learned to recognize this tactic.
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nudesunguy
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Posted - 05/03/2012 : 11:16:46 AM
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Now this is a case where I think any person who is fully clothed next to a hot tub pointing a phone at people is behaving in a rude way and should be called on it, even if they are just "texting." On the other hand, a mother sitting nude at a pool and talking on her phone to her child should be perfectly fine. It's common sense really, and a better policy than to ban all electronics. I realize the management can't be watching all people at all times, but nudists are very good at self-policing and reporting violators. I've seen more than one guy escorted off a resort for undesirable behavior.
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Bob Knows
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Posted - 05/03/2012 : 1:01:02 PM
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1. A well designed app would be transmitting the video to an off site location and not saving it in memory.
2. Texting is obviously rude. Texting should be banned in polite company. Faking it is worse.
3. Clothed by the nude hot tub is wrong. That's enough to run someone off.
4. Starting a fight is not good either.
5. Cameras are ubiquetous in every device from watches to phones, computer, tablets, book readers, etc., not counting small obscure "spy" cameras. And that doesn't even count the millions of "security" cameras we ignore by habit. Anyone who thinks they aren't being photographed frequently everywhere they go is naieve.
6. The guy in this story could not have been more obvious if he had tried. Most of the time someone won't be so obvous.
7. Being naked is not a crime, nor even bad. Being seen naked does not hurt. It really doesn't.
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Admin
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Posted - 05/03/2012 : 11:31:28 PM
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Originally posted by Bob Knows
1. A well designed app would be transmitting the video to an off site location and not saving it in memory.
This app leaves no chance you'd be caught while your phone is trying to upload a video, which would prevent it from being deleted in time.
I understand your thinking, and I was surprised they took this choice in the design, but when you think about it, if you want absolute stealth, one bailout word and everything is clean as a whistle.
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blavan
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Posted - 05/04/2012 : 10:25:56 AM
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This is why we no longer visit clothing optional beaches. We were at Sandy Hook, a nudist beach in New Jersey several years ago in the 90's and two clothed guys were photographing nudists without permission. We asked them to stop and actually chased them when they refused. Since they were clothed with shoes on, they were able to run faster in the sand than we could. They got away to the parking lot where nudity is not allowed.
We cringed that some creepy people with unknown intentions had naked photos of us and there was nothing we could do about it.
We did visit Haulover Beach in Florida several times after that but there were so many clothed gawkers there that we seldom go there either. We now prefer only nudist clubs, private gatherings and resorts. There is less chance of our pictures being taken by anyone without our permission.
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nudesunguy
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Posted - 05/04/2012 : 11:32:32 AM
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Yes, public beaches are another issue. We caught someone filming our daughter. We contacted the police and ran him off. The cops came and examined his camera (he had managed to throw away the SD card during the chase). The police then informed us that there is not much they could have done even if they had found the video, since what he did was not illegal: filming people on a public beach. Most people who do this are sheepish wimps who are easily intimidated, but you will encounter them from time to time.
Reminds me of the tour bus that stops at Pedro's in St. Martin. The tourists get out and film the crazy nudists, then get back into the bus and have it take them to what they are told is the next attraction. I actually feel sorry for them and their lives.
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Nudony
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Posted - 05/04/2012 : 11:54:12 AM
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What I've seen over the past few years is the emergence of the "unapologetic voyeur." These are the guys that if confronted, will boldly and arrogantly defend their position as being in "public domain" or knowing their "rights." Some of them don't even try to hide the fact they are filming you. Then, the only recourse left is physical threat or verbal abuse...because of the attention they are suddenly getting from the surrounding nudist crowd - and the discomfort it creates for them. It's a sad state of affairs. It actually happened right next to me last summer at Mazo; this guy suddenly got accosted by a couple of nudists - he had a mini-cam on him and had been filming/capturing nearby nudists. And I was sitting right next to him and never realized he was doing that. Creepy.
I don't really have any answers for this relatively new - and growing - issue. A couple of suggestions, perhaps. If you're going to go to the CO beach and are leery of being "cam'd", choose a relatively isolated side of the beach. You'll be able to see voyeurs coming from a mile away. Some nudists bring tents or shades; it's very hard for a voyeur to get a good angle with a shade in the way. Me, I've just accepted the fact that I could be filmed while at Mazo; it doesn't bother me a great deal.
At the resort, it's a little more difficult to conceal a recording device if it's a nude resort or has nude-only areas. Someone who walks everywhere with a towel wrapped under his armpit or a small bag/pouch probably deserves a little extra attention. It's better to report someone suspicious - even if it turns out to be unwarranted - than end up in a situation where you're grabbing someone by the neck for filming your wife.
Just be attentive - without being paranoid. Because at the end of the day it 's just a couple of nude pictures...not really worth a court case or being banned from your resort.
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Bill Bowser
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Posted - 05/04/2012 : 11:19:56 PM
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I've heard that if you start pointing cameras at the creeps they don't like it and disappear.
Bill Bowser - Cincinnati
Nudists are everywhere, but they're hard to identify with their clothes on.
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agde
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Posted - 05/05/2012 : 02:38:14 AM
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I've heard that if you start pointing cameras at the creeps they don't like it and disappear.
It would be easy enough to setup a "CreepsAtTheBeach" on Facebook or Tumblr to undo their anonymity...
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