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Warmskin
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 Posted - 11/08/2012 : 07:45:36 AM
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Yep, Rooftopwilly, Wiener is a winner. Hah!
I guess all the flower children have grown up to be textile complusive people. Quite a change!! Add to that, they have no sense of humor, to me anyway, and seem very uptight. Hmm, no one is talking about banning toplessness, only nude genitals. Hope yet!!
“I rise early almost every morning and sit in my chamber, without any clothes whatever, half an hour or an hour, according to the season, either reading or writing.”
Ben Franklin
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sailawaybob
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Posted - 11/09/2012 : 12:02:32 AM
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well the article i read had some families supporting it at the city hall protest, i can't imagine the nudist that live in SF not taking advantage of it, heck at least enjoying your yard, going to the mailbox or strolling down the street. or maybe nudist haven't advanced as much as we think, if you were even a nudist in the 80's or 90's when you visited nudist camps/resorts people were reluctant to use their last names or discuss their jobs or where they lived. in the 21st century nudist have chilled a little but they still don't want their families , neighbors or co-workers to know. can you imagine going grocery shopping nude and as you turn down a aisle you come across your boss or your mother or the pastor and his wife.
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nudesunguy
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Posted - 11/14/2012 : 10:36:05 AM
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Another factor is that it's too damn chilly to be nude in San Fran most of the time. Miami or Phoenix should adopt this law ;-).
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sailawaybob
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Posted - 11/15/2012 : 11:16:03 PM
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my thinking in this since your a nudist and live in SF why not take advantage of it, go to the mailbox, cut the grass run to the gas station or store and quit making nudism a secret society. i remember back in the 80's just getting involved in nudism and everyone using only their first names and talking about work or where you lived seemed taboo. weather permitting it seems nudist would take advantage of this or maybe there are no nudist in SF. i wish they would make it legal in miami or key west i'd pack my bag and head south.
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nudesunguy
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Posted - 11/16/2012 : 10:38:33 AM
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I think a lot of people feel there is a fine line between being a nudist and being a nudist and rubbing it in the general public's face, if you'll pardon the expression. I think most people are OK with people playing volleyball naked in a park or on a beach, or marching in a parade, but it's another to see some guy sitting naked on a street bench every time you're taking grandma out to get ice cream. I'm not saying I agree with the objections, but rather this is how most people see it, and most form their opinions about nudists in general from these encounters.
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Diger
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Posted - 11/16/2012 : 3:34:43 PM
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I just wonder how widespread the knowledge is that nudity is legal in SF? Also the ones that do know may not want to be seen in the same light as the exhibitionists.
Let’s just hope that if these same opportunities arise in other cities that the local nudist can take advantage of their freedoms.
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Bob Knows
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Posted - 11/17/2012 : 2:59:08 PM
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Originally posted by nudesunguy
I think a lot of people feel there is a fine line between being a nudist and being a nudist and rubbing it in the general public's face, if you'll pardon the expression. I think most people are OK with people playing volleyball naked in a park or on a beach, or marching in a parade, but it's another to see some guy sitting naked on a street bench every time you're taking grandma out to get ice cream. I'm not saying I agree with the objections, but rather this is how most people see it, and most form their opinions about nudists in general from these encounters.
I disagree completely. Why should the clothing compulsive be allowed to force their views on everyone else? What about them "rubbing it in the general public's face"? I think most people are OK with seeing clothed people on the street or playing volleyball clothed, but its another thing to see a clothed person sitting on a bench every time you're taking grandma out for ice cream. I disagree with the assertion that clothed people have a right to force their body shame on everyone else.
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nudesunguy
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Posted - 11/18/2012 : 10:56:41 AM
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I don't exactly follow your logic, but the bottom line is that naked old guys sitting on street benches (without towels in some cases) is doing nothing to help bring nudists into mainstream acceptance, and might be hurting the cause. Just my opinion, based on what I've heard of people's reactions...it sort of vindicates their preconceived notion that nudists are just a bunch of perverted, male, exhibitionists. A nudist family having a picnic in an SF park would be a much more positive image, but I've yet to hear of that. I was encouraged that there was at least one woman at the hearing on the ordinance.
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rooftopwilly
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Posted - 11/18/2012 : 9:08:44 PM
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I can see both sides of this. On one hand, Bob is right. If there is no law against public nudity, then the people of San Francisco have every right to take advantage of that and be outdoors if they like, whether or not the other people like it. However, the people that don't like it, just see them as "those creepy old guys" and then they start to scream for legislation to ban nudity in public.
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 11/18/2012 : 10:00:08 PM
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My daughter and her family live in San Francisco and there has always been a pretty "liberal" stance on nudity in public there. IE: Bay too Breakers, Naked Bike Ride, Pride parades..as well as many other events where nudity is allowed. What were talking about here is public nudity on a day to day basis. It also depends where in the city you are talking about. You can't just walk around naked in the tourist areas or downtown in the Financial district for gods sake..never could. But out towards Golden Gate Park or Ocean beach you will come across a people au natural.
Again in the middle of the park sunbathing you aren't usually bothered. You walk into a gas station buck naked no matter where you are your gonna get the cops called. Just a little common sense would go along way.
The entire city of SF is NOT a nudist resort..nowhere is.
Jenn
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nudesunguy
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Posted - 11/19/2012 : 10:32:46 AM
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Here's an update in which we get down to the nitty gritty:
Stripped down to his sunglasses and hiking boots, McCray Winpsett, 37, said he understands the disgust of residents who would prefer not to see the body modifications and sex enhancement devices sported by some of the Castro nudists. But he thinks Wiener's prohibition goes too far in undermining a tradition "that keeps San Francisco weird."
"A few lewd exhibitionists are really ruining it for the rest of us," he said. "It's my time to come out now to present myself in a light and show what true nudity is all about so people can separate the difference between what a nudist is and an exhibitionist is."
I have to agree. Guys walking around with "sex enhancement devices" are getting lumped in with nudists by the general public and doing all nudists a disservice.
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NUDITY_BAN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-11-18-15-45-34
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Diger
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Posted - 11/20/2012 : 10:32:09 AM
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Thanks it's nice to get the rest of the story.
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Diger
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Posted - 01/05/2013 : 3:29:39 PM
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Not all the naked people in SF were exhibitionist, seems there were a few others out there spreading a positive image.
Here is a link to a wonderful online magazine from Vita Nudes:
http://issuu.com/nudazine/docs/fall2012?mode=window&backgroundColor#222222
Check out page 49, it showes a group of young nudists spreading a positive image in SF.
I have to say these young people are getting it right.
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free2be
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Posted - 01/05/2013 : 6:38:00 PM
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Thanks for providing the update nudesunguy. The link didn't work but I do agree with the statement that "Guys walking around with "sex enhancement devices" are getting lumped in with nudists by the general public and doing all nudists a disservice".
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nudesunguy
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Posted - 01/06/2013 : 10:30:21 AM
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Looks like they removed the link for some reason (maybe by mistake).
That's a cool online mag. Thanks for posting, Diger.
The more I was thinking about this entire San Fran nudity ban, the more I realized what it came down to: MONEY. Notice they specifically said (right up front) that nudity at the Gay Parade and Bay to Breakers would not be affected. Why? Because these events draw huge crowds (nudity is part of the draw) and thus bring money to the city, while a bunch of old guys naked in the Castro might actually HURT tourism. Very few phrases more accurate than" "Follow the money."
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