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| newbi |
Posted - 01/22/2006 : 1:58:11 PM
i was recently asked, if i knew of any black friendly resorts. as i don't really frequent any resorts i was unsure how to answer this question. i didn't even know that there was a problem in this aria but i knew if ever there was a place to get some honest and helpful information it was here. so any info you can provide would be great. thank you |
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| Blackbare6 |
Posted - 05/20/2012 : 8:20:01 PM
Yeah; if we all just close our eyes, and hum real loud, it'll all just go away! Just as it always has. The simple truth is that there is still racism in this country, and it must still be confronted. But I'm happy to say that I have yet to encounter any at any of the nudist venues that I've visited. In fact I lived at — — Health Club for over 15 years, and have visited clubs from AZ to FL in the last 20 years. Unfortunately I have often been the only minority there (when I didnt have my kids with me), and frankly I would like to see more of us around. And NO, I'm not saying that racism is the reason that more minorities are not nudists, just that in general, we've had different social priorities. Progress had been made in other venues, perhaps it is time for another step towards a truly equal society.
The true patriot supports his country at all time, and his government when it deserves it: Mark Twain |
| blavan |
Posted - 05/20/2012 : 09:38:34 AM
Nudony, you are absolutely on point. Nothing is improved by ignoring it. Nudists have been very supportive to us. We have found no other circles more supportive and welcoming than nudists. We only know this because we have experienced it over many years as practicing nudists.
There are many people who do not know this. They need to see discussion and encouragement to know that generally speaking they will receive support, acceptance, and encouragement from the overwhelming majority of nudists they meet. Otherwise they may be concerned about being treated the way the textile world treats people.
I too have experienced the lone male syndrome when I traveled on business and was without my wife at a nudist resort in the "enlightened Northeast". That was because I had no female with me that day. It had nothing to do with race. I get it single guys. Some of our closest nudist friends are single and widowed men.
This discussion is a forum to provides that encouragement from those of us who enjoy nudism and do not discriminate.
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| Warmskin |
Posted - 05/19/2012 : 11:38:05 PM
I wish we could move past the situations regarding both ethnicity and marital status in nudism. We're all nudists for one reason - to be free of the constraints of clothing. It's the freedom we seek, and we can't have freedom if there is resentment, clubishness, arrogance, and automatic disliking of people before we get to know them.
As a single guy, I have experienced shunning at a nudist resort, and can only imagine that a person of different ethnicity may well be treated the same away, even if that minority is married and has his wife along.
All that can be honestly asked is - give the person a chance at a nudist resort. Regardless of who you are, if you behave badly, you'll be shown the gate. If you are group-minded, than you belong. I believe it's that way with any group of people.
We do always say that nudism is complete acceptance of the other person's body, no matter what the state of perfection or imperfection. I know I'm not perfect looking, and quite frankly, I have never seen a perfect person at a nudist resort.
To those highly cliquish, judgmental, and arrogant nudists, and yes there are those kind - way too many- don't judge others unless you have achieved perfection in your life. If you haven't, then try to be more friendly and acknowledging of other people, even if they don't fit into your clique.
If you must judge, please try to observe that a person's behavior and attitude have much more salience then pre-supposed notions. In other words, go out of your way to let facts overrule your pre-conceived opinions.
“I rise early almost every morning and sit in my chamber, without any clothes whatever, half an hour or an hour, according to the season, either reading or writing.”
Ben Franklin
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| Nudony |
Posted - 05/19/2012 : 09:35:15 AM
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[i]Its time to end racism. Just don't do it.
So the way to end racism is to just totally ignore the issue? Of course; because it worked so well up until the late 60's. What an agitator and racist that Martin Luther King was, I tell ya!
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| Bob Knows |
Posted - 05/19/2012 : 08:53:02 AM
I fail to see why nudists should be promoting racism or racist controversies. I do not care if there are more or fewer people of his color or that race at this club or that resort. Its time to drop all the race baiting and racist promotion of racist stories like "the first black xxxx" That ferments and promotes racist awareness and racism. Its time to end racism. Just don't do it. |
| blavan |
Posted - 05/18/2012 : 11:44:00 AM
This is a discussion board open for people in a free society. Anyone not wishing to discuss a certain topic can ignore that topic. There is no need to be critical of anyone for choosing to have that discussion.
President Obama has nothing to do with "black friendly resorts".
Anyone who has visited numerous nudist resorts and beaches over an extended period of time like ten years, 15 years or more obviously knows that blacks and other minorities in attendance represent a much smaller percentage than in the general textile population. There is a higher percentage of blacks at clothing optional beaches than at nudist resorts but still not very many. It makes perfect sense to ask the question, why so few blacks at nudist resorts? Discussing the possible reasons why and considering how to include more minorities in nudism is a positive thing.
On researching the history of blacks and nudism in the American Nudist Research Library there is ample evidence of discrimination by nudist organizations in the past. Blacks were officially barred from almost every nudist club in existence in the past. There were still segregated restaurants, schools, and lunch counters, restrooms, etc. in the 1960s.
A flurry of discussion and activism on the subject of integrating blacks and other minorities into the organized nudist community was begun in the 1940s. The historical record documents that Isley Boone worked for several decades to include blacks in organized nudism. There were no blacks on record at nudist clubs at that time, and he was criticized for discussing that.
E. J. Samuels and his wife were the first blacks on record as being members of a nudist club, De Anza Trail Club of Perris, CA in 1944.
Another white nudist Hal Collins, writing for Sunshine & Health magazine in the 1960s began also working for true diversity in nudism. He warned that barring blacks from nudist clubs was bad for nudism and unconscionable.
In our experience, our white nudist friends bring up the subject of there being so few blacks at nudist clubs, and have asked us to invite other minorities just as they have invited minorities.
An Ebony Magazine reporter was invited to the 1949 ASA Colorado Convention along with a black family, the Samuels. As a result of that visit Ebony published an article on nudism and blacks in their August 1951 issue. This was part of an effort to inform more blacks about nudism.
This information is found in N Magazine, and in the American Nudist Research Library in Cypress Cove Resort. Racial discrimination hurts for a long time. It is important to let minorities know that they can now be comfortable at nudist resorts.
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| FireProf |
Posted - 05/16/2012 : 4:12:46 PM
True... but the OP asked a question and several thought to answer him and maybe this got off topic or too far off in that direction. My only point was that ... just because we strip off our clothes and choose to live a nude lifestyle ... does NOT automatically erase our own prejudices and bias'. Being a "nudist" doesn't automatically make you friendlier than your textile counterpart. If you are already a friendly person and don't have certain prejudices ... you'll be that same person in a textile environment or a nude one. I, personally, don't buy that "nudists" are the friendliest people. Those "friendlier" people already exist within themselves ... "nudism" didn't automatically make them friendly or friendlier!
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| Bob Knows |
Posted - 05/16/2012 : 3:28:02 PM
I don't know why this is a question. Are there any "unfriendly" racist nudist resorts? There are plenty of sexist nudist places who publish rules about "evil" men, but I have never seen or visited a nudist resort that has any rules about this race or that race. Admittedly, the Obama regime has been trying to stir up racism as much as they can, but only with limited success, and its whites who now face "unfriendly" reprisals in parts of some cities. Somehow I find the existance of this topic to be, perhaps, a step toward encouraging racist attitudes. I really don't know why it should be a topic among nudists. |
| blavan |
Posted - 05/16/2012 : 09:25:43 AM
Well... this is what discussion is all about. It is very true that by becoming naturists all bias and predjudice is not miraculously removed. Just speaking from our experience, we have not been met with negative racial reactions at nudist resorts. If any bigots in attendance avoided us because we are black(and some probably have) then we were not knowingly affected by that.
The Baptist Church has been and continues to be an institution that shapes the anti-nudity mindset of black people in America. How is it possible that a human form created in the image of the Creator could be evil when unclothed? Consider that.
What we have observed when we discuss naturism is that many black people have not asked themselves that question. People are typically slow to change. Unless we ask them and invite them to experience naturism, they will not give it serious thought.
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| FireProf |
Posted - 05/15/2012 : 11:18:57 PM
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Originally posted by jbsnc
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I disagree. This is typical hate speech. There are differences among interactions. Jim
Happy Nuding.
So ... you are under the impression that once you become a nudist ... ALL prejudices, bias', negative opinions about people and groups of people some how ... vanish?
And... how is what I said ... "Typical hate speech?!"
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| Nudony |
Posted - 05/15/2012 : 10:18:57 PM
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Originally posted by rabbitnbunny
My personal conversations with blacks and nudism, leads me to the conclusion that it has nothing to do whatsoever with resorts or clubs, and everything to do with the Baptist Church that most black Americans are raised in.
Well...that certainly may be part of it; but it is not the whole picture.
African-american culture, for some reason or another, has sexualized nudity to a nauseating degree (watched a rap video lately?). And then there's also body-acceptance issues deeply imbedded in the black female psyche. You mix these three causes together, and what you've got left is a very unhealthy view of the nude body.
My X was very often the only black woman at the resorts we visited. Even though we were always well received, what really turned her off was people bringing attention to that fact, even if they were well intentionned. "They just want to see the black woman naked", or "they just want to be around the only naked black woman" were sometimes the words that would come out of her mouth. Obviously, it was due to an increased sensitivity to being a nude black woman in a predominantly white environment. So the issue is really multi-dimensional; and hardly solvable IMHO.
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| jbsnc |
Posted - 05/15/2012 : 8:24:32 PM
"I really hate to throw mud on the Bday Cake but ... Although it is true, nudists and naturists are "friendlier" than most of those on textile beaches, textile resorts or clubs ... and just on the street, "WE" nudists are no different in our ability to be just as mean, prejudice, narrow minded and unwilling to accept people for who or what they are."
I disagree. This is typical hate speech. There are differences among interactions. Jim
Happy Nuding. |
| rabbitnbunny |
Posted - 05/15/2012 : 12:30:21 AM
My personal conversations with blacks and nudism, leads me to the conclusion that it has nothing to do whatsoever with resorts or clubs, and everything to do with the Baptist Church that most black Americans are raised in. |
| FireProf |
Posted - 05/14/2012 : 1:12:46 PM
I really hate to throw mud on the Bday Cake but ... Although it is true, nudists and naturists are "friendlier" than most of those on textile beaches, textile resorts or clubs ... and just on the street, "WE" nudists are no different in our ability to be just as mean, prejudice, narrow minded and unwilling to accept people for who or what they are.
There has been evidence of this on this very message board and I've witnessed it on many other boards, in person and have seen the way some nudists actually make fun of other nudists, shun their greetings, ignore their desire to engage in conversation ...
Stripping off our clothes and proclaiming we are better than our textile counter parts, because of our nudist lifestyle, isn't really true. WE nudists that are already friendly, accepting and accessible to others is something we already have within. But there are many, many other nudists that still hold on to their prejudices and unfriendly attitudes ... even after they've taken their clothes off and are in a "supposedly" all accepting environment.
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| blavan |
Posted - 05/14/2012 : 10:58:57 AM
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Originally posted by nudesunguy
I find the entire subject of prejudice at nudist resorts somewhat amusing. I mean, is anyone actually going to stand there in their white/tan skin and object to other skin colors? I'd be willing to bet that nudist venues are the most inviting/accepting of any in our entire society.
The whole idea here is that this is a discussion board. People need accurate information. Obviously there are many would-be black nudists who have some concerns about social nudity, or they would be present in greater numbers at nudist resorts. In discussions like this forum we can inform black people and all people that they will be welcome. People of color who have been treated less that favorably in the past might not assume that they would be welcomed at a nudist resort or club. We are black nudists.
We know how friendly White Tail Resort(Ivor,VA), Cedar Creek Resort(Pelion,SC) and Serendipity Park(Cleveland,GA) are because we have visited these resorts several times. People who have not experienced them do not know this. It's up to us to inform them that they will be welcomed. We can also let them know that background checks are done on all visitors and that their family members will be safe at these family nudist resorts. Becoming a nudist is a big leap for some people. Throw in the prejudices some people have experienced in the greater society and their concerns are justified.
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