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| toosunni |
Posted - 03/08/2004 : 12:12:21 AM
Nudist vs naturist is there a difference? I've heard so many definitions of the 2 words, it makes my head spin. From all the definitions I've seen, I would characterize myself more as a naturist than a nudist. Sometimes the only difference I see is the spelling. |
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| calgarymark |
Posted - 06/05/2020 : 5:30:30 PM
Agde wrote: " "Nudity" is thus an alien idea cooked up by others, not me. They care about "nudity," not me."
I submit that sentence might read even better if you substituted your other chosen descriptor:
'Nudity is thus an alien idea cooked up by nudophobians, not me'
CalgaryMark
"Life's too short to be taken seriously".
"Be yourself - everyone else is taken". Attributed to Oscar Wilde. |
| agde |
Posted - 06/05/2020 : 07:01:11 AM
All of a sudden it occured to me that I never feel "naked" without clothes. So I must not be a "nudist" because I don't feel nude. I am just plain old me. And, although I am comfortable with "living in harmony with nature," as the "naturist creed" says, I think that actually makes me more of an "ecologist" or "environmentalist" than a "naturist." I am comfortable being with others socially so I don't have any particular "social anxiety disorder." Unless it's something designed to elicit special behavior like a police uniform, my normal, courteous social interactions don't change based on what others are wearing or not. "Nudity" is thus an alien idea cooked up by nudophobians*, not me. They care about "nudity," not me.
We are not the "nudists" -- THEY ARE!
* See posts above and below.  |
| agde |
Posted - 06/05/2020 : 06:48:59 AM
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[i]...I vote for clothist. That would also satisfy those among us who choose to wear cloths (vs. clothes)...
Interesting comments! I like "clothist" too, but for some of us non-native-English speakers the combo of "cl", "th" and "ist" is nearly impossible to pronouce!
Another group to add to the list are people who fear nudity -- you know like that have nightmares of being someplace public, say at the office, "naked." The Old Guard and psychologists used to refer to this as "gymnophobia" but it seems that nowadays on social media, it is a recognized "social anxiety disorder" called "nudophobia." There are even groups offering treatments that guarantee a cure within 24 hours! Why doesn't AANR or Nudist-Resorts offer such courses? Anyway, going with the flow, perhaps we could call these people "nudophobians"?
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| Nudony |
Posted - 05/28/2020 : 11:44:37 PM
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Originally posted by Warmskin
I always thought naturism had a more down to earth, out in nature, philosophy, and that nudism was practiced in more civilized areas(home,nudist resorts, and the like).
That's the way I look at it too.
When I used to practice "rogue nudism", for example hiking naked on isolated trails, I considered it "naturism" since for me it was all about that solo naked connection with nature; becoming "one with nature" so to speak.
At the resort, I consider it "nudism" since I am part of the larger collective of social nudists.
At home I don't really consider it either; but rather just "casual nudity." For me to consider it nudism there has to an "element" beyond just being naked at home. For example if my wife and I decide to stay naked to play a board game, it becomes a "nudist evening" because we are purposely staying naked to enjoy each other's company without clothes. "Intent" makes the difference.
But that's just me...opinions and experiences vary.
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| Warmskin |
Posted - 05/28/2020 : 08:27:20 AM
I always thought naturism had a more down to earth, out in nature, philosophy, and that nudism was practiced in more civilized areas(home,nudist resorts, and the like).
I could be wrong as California summer rains, though, and would not mind being enlightened on this topic.
“I rise early almost every morning and sit in my chamber, without any clothes whatever, half an hour or an hour, according to the season, either reading or writing.”
Ben Franklin
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| calgarymark |
Posted - 05/26/2020 : 5:22:26 PM
How about clothes-ist, or clothist, or clotheist? In my vocabulary, it would be a long 'o', as in clothes. Clotheist looks awkward and clothes-ist looks contrived, so of those three I vote for clothist. That would also satisfy those among us who choose to wear cloths (vs. clothes).
CalgaryMark
"Life's too short to be taken seriously".
"Be yourself - everyone else is taken". Attributed to Oscar Wilde. |
| Daretobare |
Posted - 05/26/2020 : 04:54:41 AM
You've set out some great ideas Agde. I too have found it odd at times using the term "textile". Partially of the fact I don't like labeling. Yet we do need to distinguish between at times.
How about we call the others... Non-opportunists. One that hasn't taken the opportunity to enjoy a bare type of life. |
| agde |
Posted - 05/25/2020 : 4:53:45 PM
One advantage of Naturist over Nudist is that it resonates more with "natural" than "take off your clothes" ...but I've never got anybody in the States to use Naturist.
What about the opposite? Is "textiles" the opposite for both?
So I'm talking with an Aussie friend in California about going out on his sailboat and he says, "I know you're a nudist so just to be clear that, at a minimum, shorts are to be worn!" It was said in good humour, so I joked back, "Your boat, your dress code, but the way you say 'nudist' makes it sound like its not normal to only wear what's needed. I don't call you a 'costumist' because you wear unnecessary stuff from Sailing Magazine." "So what would you consider 'necessary'?" "I would think that the real minimum for the job is sunglasses and a proper hat. If you have me working the lines, then gloves and, ok, maybe shorts so that nothing gets accidently tangled?"
The point of my story is that, when I thought about it later, we really need an equivalent word for the opposite of "nudist" that is not passive like "textiles" but is more operational. "Nudist" has the built-in assumption you start out clothed. We need a word that assumes people start out natural and then add clothing according to need, unlike the "other group" that cover up for preconceived irrational reasons.
For example (just brainstorming)
- "costumists" implies people who dress in costumes for a role (like the Zoomers who "unnecessarily" put on a coat&tie for online office meetings),
- "masqueraders" implies people who cover up only to mask/hide something (like people who "unnecessarily" wear a swimsuit on a sunny day at the beach),
- "gazists" - a word I've made up to imply people so steeped in what feminists call the male gaze "rape culture" (in which everyone assumes that nobody has carnal impulse control) that uncovered bodies invite violence and hence must be covered for protection.
- "pudists" - another word (rhymes with nudist) that I've made up based on the latin "pudor" (modesty+shame) that I'm defining as people who have not yet learned that modesty is not a function of clothing, but rather (as even the Vatican Catechism agrees in its definitions of modesty and "purity of heart") of attitudes of mutual respect for each other's personal dignity, whether clothed or not.
You may have other better ideas? So far, I like "pudists" the best, with the others as subcategories…
My Aussie friend is a pudist and costumist! |
| Little Fellow |
Posted - 04/21/2008 : 3:51:41 PM
Originally i thought Nudist just meant someone who was a fan of being naked and Naturist meant someone who enjoys nature, meaning also being naked. Recently the terms have become entwinned! |
| FireProf |
Posted - 07/17/2005 : 3:57:38 PM
We've used both terms and believe they are indeed interchangeable. We refer to ourselves as nudists when talking with other nudists but usually refer to ourselves or use the word "naturist" when talking with non nudists.
Using the word "naked" doesn't bother us, but we don't use it unless we're talking to each other. We, my wife and I, will usually say something like "let's go to the......and get naked", when we are suggesting visiting a club, beach or resort. |
| joenudist |
Posted - 07/17/2005 : 12:25:27 PM
I just got back from Mazo Beach (in WI). I am starting to meet more and more people and I have noticed that most of folks I have talked to refer to themselves and those around us as nudists. However, most of the organizations they belong to use the word Naturist i.e. Badger Naturists, Minnesota Naturists, the Naturist Society etc. Is this a local phenomenon or do you see this across the country.
I personally believe the two words are interchangeable and when talking around textiles the word naturist is probably the better choice to use.
Thanks
Joe
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| Tender86 |
Posted - 07/16/2005 : 1:28:08 PM
Interesting discussion. In discussing nudism with non-nudits, the term naturist is less scary for them. I start out using the naturist term and as they become more comfortable, nudist is used equally. I don't believe there is any difference in the meaning. Basically both mean "without clothing"
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| Nudony |
Posted - 01/22/2005 : 12:44:29 AM
The term naturist was created in Europe. The purpose behind it was to distinguish nude beach goers (nudists) from social, organized (naturists). |
| tucsonnude |
Posted - 06/15/2004 : 2:40:51 PM
I agree with calm and james..naturist is more a person who goes into nature and not established resorts..I call myself a naturist I go nude at home and in nature..have not been to a resort or camp.. |
| james423 |
Posted - 06/14/2004 : 10:25:51 PM
Once upon a time in America, nudists were those associated with clubs/resorts while naturists were those who enjoyed free beaches. However, the terms are now used interchangeably & I'll refer to myself as a nudist or as a naturist. |
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