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calmnude
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Posted - 08/16/2004 : 7:02:34 PM
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the difficulty here is WHERE to draw the line between acceptable affection and the unacceptable.
i am pretty laid back, but others are not, so a middle ground has to be found. but to get to where you want to go, you have to join in and gently and gradually gain acceptance.
it is a matter of educating, but in this matter it is the young enlightening the generation ahead of them.
and it won't happen overnight. just have to have patience
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Massai
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Glen Eden Resort in Lake Elsinore has plenty of young nudist from 12 - 18 and everyone enjoys themselves and great environment without any issues or concerns.
Ages 12 - 18 are not common in nudist venues
The ones that exist are most likely second generation nudists. They have been exposed to it since very young (and thus it comes naturaly)
In this discussion we are talking about the general population. If the average 12-18 year old is brought into a nudist venue they will have to deal a "sensory jolt" from the experience. (Much like pulling a hand from the cold bucket and placing it in hot water).
No matter how we slice it young people will statistically have much more problem with the arousal issue than anyone else... and for as long as they fear that we are going to put a flaming tire around their neck if they do not run-and-hide at the first hint, then this alone becomes a barrier to entry.
They are facing dual layers of taboo, a) the aversion of many nudist towards the male organ, b) on top of the aversion of general society towards nudism in general.
This is too much.
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AinNY
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Posted - 08/16/2004 : 10:07:46 PM
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Originally posted by calmnude
the difficulty here is WHERE to draw the line between acceptable affection and the unacceptable.
i am pretty laid back, but others are not, so a middle ground has to be found. but to get to where you want to go, you have to join in and gently and gradually gain acceptance.
it is a matter of educating, but in this matter it is the young enlightening the generation ahead of them.
and it won't happen overnight. just have to have patience
Agreed...excellent point
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Buster
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Posted - 04/03/2005 : 2:20:45 PM
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Hi,
I guess i fall somwhere in these catagories, just not sure where. I'm 22, and none of my friends are into nudism, accept my girlfriend who unfortunatly is in college 1000 miles away. I'm trying to find some friends in my area, or that frequent Apollo beach in florida. I am in a position where i don't spend as much time as i like at the beach due to lack of company. It would be nice i think if i could find a nice couple that my girlfriend and i could go to the beach with and generaly enjoy nudity. Allthough, she is more of a topplessist, than a nudeist, but we don't descriminate :)..
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Cheri
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Posted - 04/04/2005 : 12:20:42 PM
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Buster, Have you contacted any of the nonlanded clubs there?
Go to www.aanr.com, click on clubs and regions and then click on the state in which you are interested. Those with the (T) after their names are the nonlanded clubs.
You can also go to www.naturistsociety.com and go to organization and then TX.
Regards, Cheri
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Buster
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Posted - 04/04/2005 : 9:59:58 PM
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Thanks!! i'll definitely look into these!!
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Ketchummaine
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Here in Maine, many people participate in nude activities on their own, but are not social nudists. Some who skinnydip in the river are appalled by concept of discussing their nudity with others. Mainers are a private bunch. That is probably why Yorktown tends to attract many more transplants (people who have moved to Maine) and Tourists (them folks who show up on Memorial Day and go home on Labor Day) then native born Mainers.
I agree that clubs are more geared towards the older generations. However, I need to point out some exceptions. At Solair (Woodstock Ct.) They have an entire section set aside for kids & teens. At Yorktown, they are constantly encouraging family involvement. I have suggested they promote a nude volleyball tournament as they are close to a number of colleges.
I had considered opening a club in Western Maine, but decided rather to work on maintaining the Ketchum area's history for skinnydipping and sunbathing. I monitor Ketchum and act as it's unofficial Mayor. I have met most of the camp owners in the area, and have a good relationship with the Game Wardens and Fire Warden. Much of the land is administered under the Mahoosuc Land Trust, whose members I speak with regularly.
By maintaining and promoting the area as nudist friendly, I provide a nice place for nudists of all ages to visit at their leisure. There is no entrance fee, and it is fairly easy to find a private spot to enjoy the river. I have only had to escort out one gawker (a creepy looking guy with binoculars)in the past few years.
The nice part of it is that we have a variety of regulars. There are two people over 50, myself and two others in their 30's. Many come for the sunbathing, some for the cool water, and others, like myself just do things to relax such as building rock dams to maintain water level in August. Of the young people I have seen in the area, most stay at the textile swimming hole. I have heard of some young people and families skinnydipping at the main swimming hole, but haven't seen it myself recently. At one location, I have seen young people (20's) sunbathing, and others have gone swimming in their boxers. There was one group which came for an afternoon beer & nacho chip party ( kind of like a redneck wine and cheeze party). They sat near me and didn't seem to mind that I was nude. I tried to help them save their six pack (cans) before they went over the waterfall, but it went over and we never saw it again. I joked that some fisherman downstream would see it heading his way and think "WOW, DELIVERY!! :)".
Anyway, If we had more places like that, I think more young people would be likely to try nudism. It is free, and there is no pressure to be nude.
Have a GREAT Day!
Kevin
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calmnude
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Posted - 04/09/2005 : 09:59:59 AM
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kevin,
Point taken. When i grew up, my area was still rural and there wee places the kids from nearby towns would come and skinnydip and sunbathe. nothing organized, just kids and some adults hanging out.
and the local swimming hole is still around have found them in varous places ive lived in, to the locals, it is just a place to hang out and no social statement, just the way things are around here sort of thing.
and i agree, the regular new englanders and mainers especially act as you have stated.
too bad there werent more places. was talking to some mainers last night and they said, "its over 40 we can be naked outside now. but no swimming till june too cold. " in a matter of fact way.
People dont see things that simply, im afraid. But i wish they did.
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Ketchummaine
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Posted - 04/09/2005 : 11:10:13 PM
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Originally posted by calmnude
too bad there werent more places. was talking to some mainers last night and they said, "its over 40 we can be naked outside now. but no swimming till june too cold. " in a matter of fact way.
Swimming, no, but I took a cool dip in the river the other day. Kind of like a baptismal dunk, in dunk out.
Have a GREAT Day!
Kevin
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HG8Harrier
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Posted - 08/10/2006 : 11:14:20 PM
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As a younger closet nudist, 22 years of age, I can tell you that many people around my age are not ready for nudism and the policy against titilation that it promotes.
As a 19 year old, I attended a nudist resort as a guest to one of my coworkers. She hadn't been, but her family had an AANR membership... apparently not burning a hole in their pockets. When we went, I guess I was expecting this to be a 'date' between her and I, but she was expecting the type of date that could've landed us in jail. I enjoyed the experience for what it was, and would do it again (without her), but as soon as I left that company, I never spoke to her again.
Start the younger generation when they're very young... otherwise they might come in with all the wrong expectations. I hope that I avoided that.
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ggwydion
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Posted - 08/11/2006 : 04:39:49 AM
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I would not worry to much about it. I think with time the issue of the age gap will resolve it self though it may take a few years. Us pagan folk are having a simular issue and it is being solved the long but sure way, by breading more pagan children. (note that I did not say hard!) I am seeing more nudest children out there so no worries. I do think that we need more activities more younger people and not just sport things. I am not sure what those activities should be but that is probally an issue for the club/group in question. One thing I do think though is that some overly rules minded people (whoever they are) should lay off the young ones and by that I mean the teenagers. You are not going to find the errection thing in the preteens but teenagers are going to have sex or at least they are going to allude to sex in the presence of other teens. Should this be allowed? Yes, and saying that such is wrong is going to drive our children away. I think a solution would be to allow them to do what they do only provide them space for themselves away from the older adults. In time they will mature and join the older croud but until than give them there space and hold the community together until they are ready to take part. Just my two sense.
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balataf
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Posted - 08/11/2006 : 12:56:11 PM
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As I've posted elsewhere here: My 14-YO Son attended only one Phi Nu activity, a Saturday Evening Swim. At that, there were 22 Men, 18 Women and 5 Kids, with him being the only Teenager. None have attended ANY of the other events my Wife and I have been to.
He felt alone, and did not return for any other later events. Nor did he feel that he could invite his male friends, even less so for female ones, and vanishingly so for girls he doesn't know very well.
I don't know what we can do about it.
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Reb
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Posted - 08/11/2006 : 1:53:37 PM
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Is nudism dying out?
Well, yes and no. I think dying is a little strong but it is undergoing a big change. Which
way it will go? Beats me, could go either way but the way I see things is this-
1 American culture is becoming hyper-sensitivity to nudity. Look at the swim clothing that males are wearing at textile pools- knees to waist is covered. I expect tops to become fashionable and then manditory within a generation or so. Just a generation before this, nude swims at the YMCA and a lot of High Schools were either common place or in some instances mandatory. No big deal, no one thought anything of it.
2 Children are responding to peer pressure more and more and at an earlier age.
3 Divorces are so common, children think something is wrong if they have both parents.
This means ex's and a whole bunch more in-laws and the like who may not approve
and may use it to pry custody of the childrens from the parent, (who the courts give
95% of the time to the mother),
4 I know I must make Cheri mad, and I don't mean to, but I blame AANR for shortsighted
approach to mainstreaming social nudism. Things like placing THE BULLITIN on magazine
stands and a more aggressive PR approach would help. And not to beat a dead horse,
but this singles thing is causing more and more single parents to give up, deciding
it is just not worth the fight trying to find a place to go.
5 The current gas problem, while a new problem, will only make it harder to go. Most
people, like my wife and I, enjoy pulling our camper. Pulling a 5000 lbs. trailer
just makes going to a camp too expensive when the nearest one is so far away.
6 More and more people are worried about their jobs and any reflection that might occur
from their activity. That, coupled with Little League, Lions, PTA, Scouts, and a
multitude of others makes time scarce.
7. Backyard pools and privacy fences allow for social nudism to be practiced at home
without the hassles and expense, of going to camps. I would love to go, but I settle
for a private deck and a backyard pool.
There are probably other reasons too, but these were the ones that came to mind. All don't
fit everyone and nudism will not die. I fear that Americans have mishandled social nudism
to the point that both liberal and conservative extremist are going to force it into hiding for
a period of time.
What a shame.
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Cheri
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Posted - 08/11/2006 : 3:04:07 PM
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Reb, It takes a lot to get me mad. I'd rather debate and discuss.
What would be better than to have an organizations' publication, "The Bulletin" on newsstands is that landed clubs should leave their brochures at Welcome Centers along the major highways. "The Bulletin" is just a newspaper, the same as "Go Magazine," the AAA motor club publication ...solely for their members. Good Sam has a publication for their members as does Haddassah, etc. People who have their photos and sign a release for that may be a bit squeamish if it was to have public viewing. However, it does go to some public libraries.
When you talk about "backyard pools", etc. That's what nonlanded clubs are about. If there's one in your area, and you have a pool, join...I'm sure they'd be delighted to have another place at which to hold their events.
After 13 years of working for the state (public university following working at the Board of Health), there's little chance of losing this job. They've known about my lifestyle since probably the 2nd month I started here. That's no longer a valid reason.
AANR is working on getting and retaining our youth. The leadership camps and Nude U is great. Why not get involved with one of the various committees in your region to promote to our youngsters and their families.
The singles issue is blown way out of proportion. Most clubs, landed and nonlanded, would welcome just about anyone of good character. Single men should not contact these places with a chip on their shoulder. I am aware of only 2 parks in the US that do not welcome singles. Other places that are typically not-so-single-friendly, have welcomed my club's singles with a phone call from me.
Cheri
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utlyfrog
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Posted - 08/18/2006 : 2:55:30 PM
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Hello , I am new to this site . I understand this is a site createn by for profit ,nude resorts and I have no problem with that and feel thier services are a good thing . I have never paid to walk around freely ,nude . I am sure if I went to a clothings optional resort ,I would have a nice time . I joined to make a comment on this age thing , but hope to get involved in other conversations on ''nude''''nudist'' topics . We , my wife and I , have been open with our friends on be ing nude ,most of our adult life .Remember , young friends we ,I am over ''50'' were open to taking our clothes off long ago. I recall it wasnt until the uptight ''80's '' that people started covering up at the pond or gatherings . We still walk freely amoung some friends nude and if your looking for open nudism ''RAINBOW GATHERINGS '' are a good place to see a cross section of ages .there is never a question in my mind of age .I guess thats a youth thing . What do they want to see , just firm young bodies ? Nude is nude . Sorry if I ramble ,thanks .Utly
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