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nudeguy
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 Posted - 08/19/2006 : 08:10:41 AM
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Hello , I am new to this site . I understand this is a site createn by for profit ,nude resorts and I have no problem with that and feel thier services are a good thing .
Utly, it was never my impression that this website was created for profit.
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balataf
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Posted - 08/19/2006 : 09:14:21 AM
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It is so complicated that it has to have been a substantial investment to set up, and probably costly to run continually.
For example, when you check back over old threads, the line at the bottom gives the current total of posts. There are a variety of other impressive details here.
Actually, they should go thru and weed ut some totally useless ancient posts, There is one, last added to in Mar 2005, saying "meet me at San Onofre on Feb 5, 2005." No purpose in keeping it open now.
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nudeguy
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Posted - 08/19/2006 : 09:54:22 AM
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What is the deal, with older people only being the majority of a nudist society? Is nudism dying out? Not that I don't like older people, it's just that, I have never seen more than 4 young nudists at a nudist club scene, and they were like 10 and 12 years old. I had a friend who pretty much got hung for having an erection. They kicked him out, and he was just sitting by the hotub, minding his own business. I'm not trying to touch base on the erection issue, but that's an example of why young nudists aren't involved. They are treated with such hatefullness, that they don't wanna return ,and they tell others about their experience, and they don't wanna even try.
For a long time I have been observing from the sidelines other threads on this topic, and now I feel it's time to respond.
Young Nakedman is correct regarding the absence of participation of young people (from the age of puberty to around their mid-twenties) in social nudism. I have observed this phenomenon myself, even at free or low-cost venues like Gunnison Beach, or Higbee Beach before it was closed. The reason is pure and simple -- guys at that age are terribly afraid they will have an erection in public.
If I were back in my teens again and happened to read some of the things people wrote in threads on this forum regarding "male arousal", I would run as fast as possible from any nudist activity or mention thereof. Thirty-plus years ago I was a normal, healthy, athletic teenager who would have been humililiated if anyone could see that I had an erection UNDER MY CLOTHES. The embarrassment of that happening while naked in public would have been unspeakable.
We must understand that normal physiology in teen males is light years apart from normal physiology in males aged 30 and higher. Upon reaching puberty, erections can and do occur in teenage boys for absolutely no reason whatsoever. Thinking about Grandma or Monday Night Football does not alleviate the problem. Even WORRYING about getting an erection can actually cause one to happen. Add in the most minor stimulus such as the boy's boxer shorts brushing up against his genitals, or the feel of a breeze against his skin, or the sight of a woman in tight clothing -- the kid's physical responses go into overdrive and he feels helpless to control what are actually normal bodily functions. Now just imagine how the environment of a nude beach would affect him. I think you get the picture.
Countless times during my teens I was plagued by totally spontaneous erections lasting at least a couple of hours, and nothing short of running a mile or two could make them go away sooner. This is what teenage boys go through, folks. We will never see them at nudist venues until we cut them a little slack and show some understanding for the turmoil their bodies are going through, rather than lecturing them about respect for other people and throwing them out of nudist venues for an occurrence they didn't want in the first place.
Maybe some have noticed that I did not use the terms "arousal" and "erection" interchangeably in this post. The former term describes a state of mind, and the latter is a physical response. Teenage males do not need one for the other to occur. By staying out of the nudist community, perhaps they really are showing respect. That way, they feel others will not have to become uncomfortable by their very presence and potentially embarrasing bodily functions.
Are there execeptions to what I just wrote? Sure there are. I'm expecting at least one response telling me, "Hey nudeguy, I took my teenaged kid to a nudist function and he was perfectly fine." Good for you, and good for your kid. What I describe here is reality for most teen<
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HG8Harrier
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Posted - 08/19/2006 : 5:05:48 PM
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Originally posted by nudeguy
[quote]Originally posted by Young_nakedman
Are there execeptions to what I just wrote? Sure there are. I'm expecting at least one response telling me, "Hey nudeguy, I took my teenaged kid to a nudist function and he was perfectly fine." Good for you, and good for your kid. What I describe here is reality for most teen males and that's why we don't see lots of them walking around as nudists.
As a late teen, I attended a nude beach. A man who sees a very attractive woman can get aroused no matter what. However, once naked, even if I was 'aroused' by the sight of my female friend nude, I did not have an erection. It's impossible for a young man to not become erect at such a sight after the onset of puberty, but it's not like we/they walk around for hours with an erection. That'd just be immodest. And that still doesn't explain why members of all sexes from age 12 to 30 seem to avoid social nudism.
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nudeguy
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Posted - 08/19/2006 : 5:26:11 PM
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The explanation is simple. You won't see teenage girls flocking to the nude beach if their male friends refuse to go. The last thing they want is to feel like a bunch of older guys are checking them out, whether that feeling is justified or not. The social/peer aspect of teen behavior is very strong.
I don't necessarily agree that the cutoff age is around 30 for non-nude-beachgoers. From my observations, the age is quite a bit lower. What I am saying is that 15 or 16 year old boys in a mixed nude setting of all ages is extremely rare to non-existent.
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HG8Harrier
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Posted - 08/19/2006 : 6:06:35 PM
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I didn't look at it that way. Thanks for clearing that up.
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utlyfrog
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Posted - 08/20/2006 : 12:40:14 AM
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Originally posted by utlyfrog
Hello , I am new to this site . I understand this is a site createn by for profit ,nude resorts and I have no problem with that and feel thier services are a good thing .
Utly, it was never my impression that this website was created for profit.
Nudeguy ,I am suggesting the ''for profit resorts'', which are Ok with me ,not that this site is itself ''for profit . I feel ,most people can be nude as a life style without having to pay $ for it and am aware of gatherings that people of all ages are free to be nude in a open sharing envornment .Did you know you are allowed to be nude in a National forest?
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Cheri
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Posted - 08/20/2006 : 11:43:22 AM
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utlyfrog, You CANNOT always be nude in all US National forests. The Pisgah National Forrest in NC is one that was outlawed to nudity in the 1980s. To find out the entire story, click on search in the upper right hand corner of your screen.
Additionally, the forrests and other federal lands CAN and many times DO transfer the governorship of that land to state and local jurisdiction.
Granted, you don't have to always pay to enjoy our lifestyle. However, you should at least be a member of TNS and/or AANR. When bad laws are attempted to be legislated, most of the time, one or both organizations help to fight for the continued use of our venues.
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Cheri
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Posted - 08/20/2006 : 12:32:59 PM
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From Richard Mason, South Florida Free Beaches
The Director of the National Park Service is Fran Maniella. She is the former Dir. of Florida Parks. No friend of naturists but she was always accessible. But she had friends in the nudist industry that supported her.
While director of Florida Parks she was a very proactive anti-nudist
speaking out in support of anti-nudity bills.
She is guilty of misrepresenting the facts before legislative committees while testifying in favor of the anti-nudity bills. She claimed that there was a problem in the parks with nudity.
Paul LeValley and I were able to access 3 years of citations in the state parks on citations issued under Florida 877.03, disorderly conduct and 800.03, lewd and lascivious behavior.
We discovered that most of the arrests claimed for nudity were for a series of behaviors from peeing to exposure of a breast. It was obvious by the records that there was a serious deficit in the training and understanding of the law. People were being charged for different violations for the same behavior issues in different parks.
I offered to conduct training programs on the public nudity issue.
This was ignored.
Director Maniella was willing to let the wrongful citing of visitors in parks to continue as long as it helped control people in the parks.
We can be sure that she is promoting her brand of management on a national level.
Fran Maniella is traveling the USA, with a mission to visit every national park. (At taxpayers expense) You can be sure that if a question comes up at any park on the issue of nudity, she will tell the staff to cite the perps.
No mystery here.
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utlyfrog
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Posted - 08/20/2006 : 2:33:36 PM
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Cheri , I live in NC and have attended Rainbow Gatherings here .Although they dont like it , the rangers could do nothing to stop the peaceful gathering of nude and non nude people on NF land. We were in an isolated NF area near Robinsville, with access to streams and open fields for drumming and large groups.Visit the ''Rainbow Gathering '' sites .there are links with photos to gatherings in NC  .I do respect groups who look out for our freedoms.Check this out; North Carolina Rainbow Case , U.S.(Forest Service) v. Stephen Wingier # F-1469782- Dismissed,a [little light reading ,lol ] U
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Cheri
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Posted - 08/20/2006 : 5:28:10 PM
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Cheri , I live in NC and have attended Rainbow Gatherings here .Although they dont like it , the rangers could do nothing to stop the peaceful gathering of nude and non nude people on NF land. We were in an isolated NF area near Robinsville, with access to streams and open fields for drumming and large groups.Visit the ''Rainbow Gathering '' sites .there are links with photos to gatherings in NC .I do respect groups who look out for our freedoms.Check this out; North Carolina Rainbow Case , U.S.(Forest Service) v. Stephen Wingier # F-1469782- Dismissed,a [little light reading ,lol ] U
I had reservations for 4 yrs. in the Pisgah National Forest at a Group Camp Site. One year, one of the Circle people who had been friendly previously came down to check the toilets. One of the campers at the group campsite probably mouthed off and the entire group was warned by a ranger. When I got home, I did some research and made some calls. It's NOT legal. Whether or not you get away with it is one thing, but it's not legal, and at that time, I couldn't press the issue.
Cheri
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utlyfrog
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Posted - 08/20/2006 : 9:16:15 PM
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I think we may be talking about different things. Rainbow Gatherings are not at camp sites .They are ''in'' the forest .No one gets a permit . Everyone shows up, word of mouth ,sort of speak . Drinking water is found ,Kitchens are created , Kid Camp (kid safe ,adults with children camping only ,area )U. S Armey type field toilets are dug , Medical people for First Aide( a lot of older vets , by the way ) .A cleanup kitchen stays to return the land ,to natural ,pre gathering state . It has been happening for over 30 years , after Woodstock .No permits required.Back to the subject of this thread ,young and old walk freeley, nude in true nature .Anyone ,of any age ,interested a exercise in cooperation in a natural setting with the freedom to ''Be as they like''should look up ''Rainbow Gatherings''
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old hippie
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Posted - 11/08/2006 : 09:36:17 AM
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The explanation is simple. You won't see teenage girls flocking to the nude beach if their male friends refuse to go. The last thing they want is to feel like a bunch of older guys are checking them out, whether that feeling is justified or not. The social/peer aspect of teen behavior is very strong.
I don't necessarily agree that the cutoff age is around 30 for non-nude-beachgoers. From my observations, the age is quite a bit lower. What I am saying is that 15 or 16 year old boys in a mixed nude setting of all ages is extremely rare to non-existent.
Nudeguy has summarized quite well the *typical* teenage boy situation; there is a seething mixture of anxiety and eagerness in that time of life that may or may not be reflected in female teenagers (I'll never know), but it certainly makes it difficult at best for a pubescent boy to be relaxed in a nude environment. And as long as teenagers continue to hang out with one another (don't see that stopping soon), then you won't see many or either gender flocking to join nudist resorts, even if they HAD the funds to do so.
. As Nudeguy pointed out, there will be the fortunate few exceptions - but they ARE exceptions. If you raised your kids from infancy in a naturist household, they have a head start on accepting as ordinary things that others find either mysterious or exciting or both. But you must realize that such is not the norm.
. To return to Young Nakedman's original plea, I think one must admit that a naturist life is not made readily accessible to many kids fresh out of high school, much less those of school age. Some appreciation for the difficulties faced by people of that age might be appreciated, and might demonstrate the sort of tolerance espoused by members of the naturist community.
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samira1
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Posted - 11/11/2006 : 8:20:06 PM
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ive always taken my kids along with with to nudist resorts, but there are not always kids there ages there, over the year i have convinces other parents n mothers to join n bring there kids along to, i think that my children with raise thee kids in the same fashion
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alexmol
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Posted - 11/14/2006 : 3:43:50 PM
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Hello!
Beeing aware of the low number of young naturists some clubs and federations in Europe created young naturist clubs. These clubs organize activities especially directed to young people.
I'm part of JPN team (portuguese young naturists), but you'll find similar organizations across many countries.
http://jpn.fpn.pt/
http://www.naturismo.org/adn/jovenes/
http://www.ynai.com.br/
http://www.fkk-jugend.de/
http://csjeunes.free.fr/
http://www.ybn.org.uk/
http://www.jnfn.nl/
Best Regards from Portugal
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Originally posted by Young_nakedman
What is the deal, with older people only being the majority of a nudist society? Is nudism dying out? Not that I don't like older people, it's just that, I have never seen more than 4 young nudists at a nudist club scene, and they were like 10 and 12 years old. Any ideas? Lets get some YOUNG opinions please.
Clintonius
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