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BareBackOnMyHorse
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 Posted - 01/14/2007 : 3:48:46 PM
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Ok.... My mum told me a few weeks ago that I COULD pick up a STD at the beach, nudist spa, cleaning bathrooms, geting a massage, etc. And this does NOT include having sex. I'm still a vergin and plan on being one untell I get merried. I told her we ALWAYS sit on our OWN, CLEAN towls if not in the water. But she said I could pick one up in the spa just be sitting were someone had just sat..... She said it's even worce sence I work there. I clean TWO toilets with gloves on! And mop and sweep the floor and other stuff to,be she's like, "I would'n do it. It's a high chance!" I've never even herd of this before! I mean how could some one NOT sharing needles, a vergin end up with STDs? I mean I can think of a few other ways but it would require being nude! Some one please help cleare up my mother infested mind!!
BareBack AKA Rebekah
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Cheri
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Posted - 01/14/2007 : 11:51:50 PM
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The only stupid questions are those that are not asked. :)
The reason you wear gloves and such while cleaning toilets is to prevent bacterial infections. Excretment does carry bacteria. Since you're not even near any bacteria, no one is excreting into the sand, you can tell your mum that you should not have any problems. STDs cannot be transmitted this way. Perhaps parasites, but not STDS. Someone's body fluids would have to touch your body fluids.
Regarding the spa...public spas aka hot tubs should be tested at least once a day for pH levels. The chemicals in these hot tubs should kill all the little germs. Sometimes, if the chemicals get out of wack, it's been known that a yeast infection can be transmitted in this fashion especially if the unit is also used by clothed/textile people. Candida is not an STD. Many women suffer from yeast infections due to always wearing underwear or wearing tight underwear without having your vaginal area able to breathe. That's a very good reason to not wear a swimsuit. That in itself can cause a Yeast infection.
Cheri
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StuffedTiger
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 Posted - 01/15/2007 : 01:22:37 AM
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Originally posted by BareBackOnMyHorse
Ok.... My mum told me a few weeks ago that I COULD pick up a STD at the beach, nudist spa, cleaning bathrooms, geting a massage, etc. And this does NOT include having sex.
Here is the USA CDC guide for aquatics staff:
http://www.cdc.gov/healthyswimming/faq/operators.htm
and the general link:
http://www.cdc.gov/healthyswimming/poolstaff.htm
Here is the USA CDC website for pool related illnesses. I don't see STD's here.
http://www.cdc.gov/healthyswimming/mmwr.htm
All of these things are easily avoided by (1)proper pool maintenance and (2) not overloading the pool's ability to clean itself. Avoiding bathing suits and washing before entering the pool significantly help with (2).
As for your job, you should ask your doctor or a qualified medical professional for specific advice since they know your medical history, and that could be important.
As far as cleaning up, here is the CDC instructions from their newsletter:
http://www.cdc.gov/healthyswimming/newsletters/vol2no1.htm
"Spills of body fluids, including blood, feces, urine, and vomit on the deck or other surfaces should be cleaned up immediately. When cleaning, ensure that gloves are worn. Avoid getting any body fluid in your eyes, nose, mouth or any open sores.
"First, clean up the spilled material. Disinfect surfaces (swimming pool deck, diaper-changing areas, countertops and floors) by pouring disinfectant on the spill, until the spill is covered. After 10 minutes, finish cleaning up the area. Discard contaminated material in a plastic bag that has been securely sealed. Mops used to clean up body fluids should be (1) cleaned, (2) rinsed with a disinfecting solution, (3) wrung as dry as possible, and (4) hung to dry completely. Be sure to wash your hands after cleaning up any spill.
"One of the most commonly used chemicals for disinfection is a homemade solution of household bleach and water. Commercial products that meet EPA’s “hospital grade” germicide standards may also be used.
"A solution of bleach and water loses its strength quickly and easily. Therefore, bleach solution should be mixed fresh before each clean-up event to make sure it is effective. Don't mix disinfection chemicals. Other chemicals may react with bleach and cause the release of toxic chlorine gas.
"Recipe for Bleach Disinfecting Solution
(For body fluid spills)
9 parts cool water
1 part household bleach
Add the household bleach to the water.
"Any leftover solution should be discarded. NEVER mix bleach with anything but fresh tap water."
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ggwydion
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Posted - 01/15/2007 : 02:14:13 AM
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I nice that this forum is blessed with such informed people. Great job!
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asmodee
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Posted - 01/15/2007 : 5:30:47 PM
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Very good advice, StuffedTiger, and very informative. One cannot stress enough the importance of never mixing cleaning chemicals, so it was good to add that. I actually have a friend who used to mix chemicals to clean up in a grocery store with lots of wide-open space. It would bubble and smoke, but it did a great job. He taught the concoction to another employee. That employee taught the concoction to his grandmother, who mixed it in her house. Because her house was much more confined than the store she was killed by the fumes the very first time she tried it. That was 15-20 years ago and my friend is still guilt-ridden by it.
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pilot
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Posted - 01/16/2007 : 12:13:14 AM
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I generally agree with the comments. There are many 'old wives tales' that circulate as urban legends, so perhaps we can clear them up.
1. When cleaning public areas, wearing protective clothing is wise.
2. Disease is not typically transmitted from toilet seats. The part of you that contacts a toilet seat generally is pretty rugged and unbroken skin.
3. Public bathing areas --pools and hot tubs--can become reservoirs of disease if not managed as Cheri has outlined. Hot tubs and spas are a little worse owing to the temperature---warm temperatures promote multiplication.
4. Your risk of picking something up in a public bathing area relates typically to swallowing contaminated water or else from having germs enter through a cut, not through genital mucus membranes (urethra, vagina, vulva, anus). Those regions are designed to resist just about everything.
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StuffedTiger
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Posted - 01/16/2007 : 01:09:50 AM
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Pilot, I know there are a number of diseases transmitted by toilet seats (such as impetigo) by skin to skin, and that is regardless of clothing (as American football players on artificial turf can testify to), but the only STD I know that can be transmitted by toilet seats to the genitals is trichomoniasis:
http://www.womenshealth.gov/faq/stdtrich.htm
"While trichomoniasis is usually passed sexually, it may be picked up from contact with damp or moist objects such as towels, wet clothing, or a toilet seat, if the genital area gets in contact with these damp or moist objects."
Seems unlikely, but even that is easily avoided by sitting on one's own towel.
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 01/16/2007 : 04:24:21 AM
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BareBackOnMyHorse,
Based on some of your other posts, I know that your mother is vehemently opposed to nudity. I am of the opinion that she is doing nothing more than trying to find ways to discourage you from the behavior of being nude. Even if that means telling you things she knows aren't true so you will decide against doing it yourself.
The only thing I would add is: Bring your own towel to sit on. At the beach you need it just for the sand, elsewhere to avoid unwanted contact with surfaces.
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Rodders
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Posted - 01/16/2007 : 05:53:23 AM
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Follow the "towel rule" and there is no reason why any nudist should, or will become infected any more than anyone else. Ours is a healthy lifestyle allowing the sun and air to clothe our bodies, far better than tight restrictive clothing as stated so well in an earlier post. Shed the threads and even your brain feels less cluttered.
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Pete Knight
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Posted - 01/16/2007 : 10:42:57 AM
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Originally posted by Rodders
Shed the threads and even your brain feels less cluttered.
How true is that, only the repressed and uptight cannot see that nudism is as Rodders describes, and they are past redemption,...... maybe!!!!
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CalTom
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Posted - 01/20/2007 : 11:41:44 AM
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Originally posted by pilot
I generally agree with the comments. There are many 'old wives tales' that circulate as urban legends, so perhaps we can clear them up.
1. When cleaning public areas, wearing protective clothing is wise.
2. Disease is not typically transmitted from toilet seats. The part of you that contacts a toilet seat generally is pretty rugged and unbroken skin.
3. Public bathing areas --pools and hot tubs--can become reservoirs of disease if not managed as Cheri has outlined. Hot tubs and spas are a little worse owing to the temperature---warm temperatures promote multiplication.
4. Your risk of picking something up in a public bathing area relates typically to swallowing contaminated water or else from having germs enter through a cut, not through genital mucus membranes (urethra, vagina, vulva, anus). Those regions are designed to resist just about everything.
While I am a pilot (by profession), pilot is actually on a list of "the 200 best physicians in America." Thus anything I can possibly add an this subject is via my physician-filled extended family and common sense.
Of all the transmittable viruses and bacteria I fear the most, drug resistant staphylococcus has to rank up there. It is increasingly prevalent in communal areas such as gym weight rooms and on commonly touched surfaces such as handles towels. Professional sports teams such as the Cleveland Browns have had a nasty problem with it in their team locker and work-out areas. Until now drug resistant staph was largely a problem confined to places like hospitals and surgical patients; no longer.
Staph ranks far ahead of STD's or the Norovirus as a rain on your nudist holiday.
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pilot
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Posted - 01/20/2007 : 2:11:51 PM
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- -Tom is generous with his comments, and accurate with respect to the emergence of drug-resistant staphylococcus, aka "meth-resistant Staph", ORSA, MRSA. Here, 'meth' is short for methicillin, which is an extended spectrum penicillin.
It is true that indiscriminate use of antibiotics both by humans as well as in animal populations has led to the emergence of MRSA in the general community. This CA-MRSA (community acquired MRSA) is linked to well-publicized outbreaks in professional sports teams, schools and other places where people gather and there is contact with broken or abraded skin. Interestingly, people do not have to have an active infection to be carriers of this increasingly common organism.
None of this should cause nudists/naturists undue concern. Ordinary unbroken skin is generally impervious to these organisms. Nude-etiquette of carrying and using one's own towel is likely a better infection control strategy than textiled bathers use, plopping down on surfaces recently contacted by others. And the ultraviolet rays of the sun are rather effective in killing errant bacteria on surfaces (UV crosslinks DNA by a process called 'thymidine dimerization' that makes it impossible to copy and therefore impossible for the organism to reproduce. This should reassure patrons of tanning booths...;-))
Nudist or textiled, people who do develop a skin infection that either persists for more than a couple of days or spreads rapidly are well-advised to seek medical advice. This is especially important for people with diabetes; with vascular disease; and those whose immune systems are less active. There are several oitments, pills and intravenous antibiotics that are effective against MRSA, but all work better when given as early as practicable.
I know of no data that compares rates of skin and mucous membrane infections in nudists/naturists versus the public at large. I would predict that it's no higher and might in fact be lower owing both to the etiquette mentioned above as well as to (1) the absence of textiles that create moist, warm dark places for organisms to grow and possibly (2) availability of both indoor and outdoor showers.
Bottom line, it's unlikely that nude recreation poses a greater risk for transmissible disease than the textiled alternative. Common-sense behaviors keep the risk low.
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