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Mike2Nude
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 Posted - 10/17/2007 : 9:21:38 PM
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Does the WNBR help or hurt the nudist movement? I understand it shows there is nothing wrong with the naked body, but if there are arrests or shoving it down peoples throats, how can that help?
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CMx2
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Posted - 10/18/2007 : 03:41:55 AM
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I think it does considerable damage to nudism because some people connect it with nudism.
Its a nude protest against oil dependency and has no more relevance to the nudist movement than a nude anti-fur protest or a topless gay rights protest.
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Balto Bob
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Posted - 10/18/2007 : 06:23:36 AM
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The folks involved with the DC ride are more nudist than anything else. I was planning to join them this year but, got stuck at work. Personally I think it is fairly harmless. The riders don't stay around long enough to cause much concern. They did stop for some pictures accross from the White House. There were several thousand Girl Scouts in DC at the time. Washington has so many marches and protests 8 guys on bikes nude or otherwise don't matter.
Bob
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sailawaybob
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Posted - 11/21/2008 : 11:57:14 PM
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It seem to be working in the northwest where a judge ruled riding nude on a bike is a legal way to protest, I guess they can now ride their bikes to work nude
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Mike2Nude
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Posted - 11/22/2008 : 3:20:16 PM
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I live close enough to Chicago where I could ride in their WNBR, but still have reservations about riding naked. I would love to, but the slim chance of getting arrested and possibly have to register as a sex offender kind or dampens those thoughts.
I had so much fun in 08, I'm doing it again. lease support me and MS in my MS Bike Ride on Sept 19, 2009.
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aaardvark
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Posted - 11/23/2008 : 10:20:12 PM
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I think almost anything that helps to demystify nakedness in public helps the nudist 'movement'. My personal aim as a nudist is to cease to be a 'nudist'. We are labelled as such because we are in such a small minority but that would cease if public nakedness became mainstream. The WNBR is particularly important in that they are protesting against oil dependency. Perhaps this could lead people to question the over-materialistic approach to life that 'we' seem to lead in the West. The problem I have with the nudist 'movement' is that it seems to be so precious about espousing a particular 'brand' of nudism that excludes many other forms of feral nudity or protest-related nudity and as a 'movement' I don't think nudism has moved far at all. In some places, it seems to be going backwards. Unfortuantely the last WNBR here in Auckland degenerated into the World Not-naked bike ride thanks to the Police. I think it attracted about 20 riders in a city of 1.4 million. Great success then!!
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ddoger
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Posted - 11/26/2008 : 2:59:15 PM
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I think wnbr hurts naturism. I think it is just exhibitionism and sensationalism. Shock value. I don't think as a nudist I have the right to impose my nudity in settings that are not venues for being nude. It is like lighting up a big fat cigar and blowing smoke in the face of non smokers in a public place. Now if I were in my home or in a cigar bar and a non smoker came in and complained I wouldn't have any sympathy.
Btw I don't smoke. but I think the analogy works. Except nudity is good for us and smoking is bad. but I don't think nude bike riding promotes the value of being nude. It is just the shock value of bringing attention to alternate forms of transportation and being more environmently aware.
Cheers
Ddoger
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FlCpl4NewdFun
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Posted - 11/26/2008 : 4:23:59 PM
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I agree with Ddoger - it probably hurts the cause. The media just focuses on the crackpots who then become the voice of the movement. What good is an average well spoken naturist to the media? Besides, if the intent is to promote naturism why do so many of the participants wear masks, silly wigs, and body paint that often draws attention to the genitals. Appears to mostly be about exhibitionism.
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aaardvark
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Posted - 11/26/2008 : 4:55:16 PM
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The theme of this thread runs along similar lines to another thread about "True" nudism, in which one of the postings said that “Attention starved nude protestors have done more to damage the reputation of nudism than all other indiscretions combined”. I'm not convinced that is totally correct but concede that in countries other than New Zealand, that could be a problem.
Among some of the many bits of paper that I have here, I found something about another WNBR that happened here in the Golden Bay/Tasman District area of the South Island (New Zealand). The riders were naked except for helmets (required under the law for all cyclists on any NZ public carriageway) and taken through a couple of small towns under Police escort (as opposed to Auckland where the Police requested that they cover their pubic areas). Some of the riders were nudists, others were peace activists and sustainable-living activists for whom communal nakedness is just part of a bigger package. Many of these people are hippies and alternative lifestylers – the remnants of the 1960s counter-culture that the ‘true nudists’ in the clubs shunned. So if we're talking about the WNBR, the effects could vary from place to place depending on the social microclimate in that area. It was treated with hostility in Auckland but largely accepted by the authorities and locals in Golden Bay though the local religious and moral crusaders tried to prevent it. Golden Bay is seen by many as the last bastion of the alternative lifestyle in NZ but how long that will last is anyone's guess - the big moneyed, morally uptight people from the cities are starting to move in and having decided they don't like what they see, are trying to change the order of things, so much for nudists being at fault for shoving their (our) ideas down peoples throats.
I find it somewhat perplexing that a protest against oil dependency could be seen as damaging Nudism by association. The INF states that "Naturism is a way of life in harmony with nature, characterized by the practice of communal nudity, with the intention of encouraging respect for oneself, respect for others and for the environment" On that basis the WNBR participants in the Golden Bay area with their "shock" tactics and "exhibitionism" are the "true" naturists - not the ones in the so-called "nudist movement" which seems to consist of man-made infrastructure in locations that require ecologically unsustainable forms of transport to reach that only a certain class of people can afford to belong to.
The idea that feral nudity could damage the "movement" is to me ironic. I cannot speak for nudism in your nation states, but here in New Zealand (seen as a liberal place) every social concession we have has been fought for, in most cases using protest and "shock" tactics, for example, NZ was the first nation state to give women the right to vote but that came with a struggle. History also shows that the "nudist movement" emerged as societal prudishness (known in our part of the world as "Wowserism") increased in the late Victorian and Edwardian eras in New Zealand and Australia. I argue that "nudism" only emerged as a "movement" because it was forced into ghettoes and we are only "nudists" because we're a minority in a largely textile-dominated society. The "nudist" label is as much other-imposed as it is self-claimed.
Finally to answer the question as to how "shoving it down people's throats can help" I don't know whether it it can or can't but where I live I face people shoving their anti-nudity/religious and moral conservatism down my throat on an ongoing and increasing basis so anybody who gets naked in public gets my vote. As for the "nudist movement" - we lost a popular, easily accessible clothing-optional beach in Auckland when the wealthy mansion-builders above the cliff moved in, because the so-called "nudist movement" is so splintered and bent on protecting it's own interests that it did absolutely NOTHING to fight it. In fact, it's a matter of public record that the local nudist clubs saw no problem closing the beach down as they have their own venue. Fence-sitting, hiding away or worrying about nudist impression management seems to be becoming less of an option from where I sit. Just my opinions..
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rooftopwilly
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Posted - 11/27/2008 : 01:23:54 AM
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I really don't care one way or another. I just know that I'm going to join the one in Burlington, VT next summer.
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TheWhiteCockatoo
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Posted - 11/27/2008 : 02:52:01 AM
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aardvark... (great post)and I can assure you that the Australian (self-appointed) Nudist Movement is no different to New Zealand when it comes to either protecting what is currently available or gaining new beaches.
And it is exactly as you said: "because the so-called "nudist movement" is so splintered and bent on protecting it's own interests that it does absolutely NOTHING"
It's a bit like the Republic issue here in Oz.... It has been proven that most of the population was in favour of it but because the "Republican Movement" spent so much time arguing amongst themslves the motion was defeated.
Personally I am not a fan of the annual Nude Bike Ride, which may surprise some, as it's just fodder for the masses to ogle and provides generous income for a lot of photographers.
But then I've never been a fan of running down the street naked to promote Nudism. That's not what it's about.
As one who operates a property with varied seasons catering to varied markets, which includes Nudists for part of each year, I have had the luxury of speaking to many with a view and I can say that most Nudists, who if staying in the Nude Season are mostly the "prudie nudie brigade", are totally against the nude bike ride.
They also laugh at any mention of any "Nudist Movement"....
To most, and myself, it indicates a crap when naked more than anything constructive for Nudists ;-)
Just my thoughts....
Tony Fox
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Balto Bob
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Posted - 12/15/2008 : 10:59:35 PM
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My picture is from the 2008 WNBR-DC. Having been in a ride. I don't think the ride causes any harm (the DC ride isn't totally nude). The people who wear masks are worried about employers, etc. I, on the other hand, have found that Flickr,youtube etc. have made it VERY hard to find my pictures on the web.
Bob
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Drakkus
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Posted - 12/16/2008 : 11:35:51 AM
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I'm going to be organizing one of these bike rides myself, actually, so I obviously believe that it would be helpful for the cause. I couldn't care much less about the oil dependency bit, I can't afford to go any other way at the moment.
My reasoning is this: I live in Utah. Utah is probably one of the ONLY states that does not have a landed nudist club within it's borders. In my opinion, it's because most of these Utahns (I don't consider myself one) are so uptight about everything "different" that they're completely unwilling to even hear the word nudist without getting offended. So, in my opinion, this is one state in particular where nudity NEEDS to be shoved down their throats. Most people would probably say I should just move out of Utah, but that's out of the question. The WNBR, in my opinion, is a means to an end. The ultimate end, in my opinion, is to de-criminalize the show of genitalia (IOW, nudity) in Utah. If I can use the WNBR, and other things to reach that end, I'm definitely going to go for it.
Be True and Stay Naked,
Drakkus
One is nothing more, and nothing less, than what they believe themselves to be.
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DaffyTaffy2
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Posted - 12/27/2008 : 8:29:05 PM
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Living in Utah doesn't and shouldn't hold u back from going nude. When I lived in Ut back in the 80's my Dad was the pres of the WSBA and we traveled as a group to resorts but we lived in Layton. There are still non landed groups out there and plenty of nudists ya just gotta look for wm. Yes the state full of Mormans is very restrictive but.... plenty of open land to find yourself a spot specially in the St George area!!!!! Just gotta look, explore and discover. AANR has a paper that lists activities and such you may have a bit of traveling 2 do but they also hung out at Bear Lake on Idaho/Utah border. Even a spot on the Great Salk Lake. Resorts in Colorado and other close states if u can travel.
Skinny Women are not Evil
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OLD BUZZARD
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Posted - 12/28/2008 : 7:03:23 PM
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I am still out to lunch on this issue.I think that nudism should be presented in a positive and thoughful manner.......old buzzard
not as good as i once was.......DAMMIT
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go n nude
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Posted - 12/29/2008 : 03:58:38 AM
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In Seattle the parks authority is considering a ban on nudity" thanks to WNBR" they feel its getting out of control and into the streets, when and where is public nudity acceptable ? due to numerous complaints, it appears the public is not ready to tolerate it everywhere and anywhere. Hurt or help, is a great debate indeed, as the AANR and others fight for the rights of nudists everywhere to enjoy nude recreation in appropreiate places and not infringe the rights others it appears this protest can hurt more than help. The choice is yours help or hurt ???
go n nude
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