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catbird
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 Posted - 04/12/2008 : 6:39:31 PM
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Hi everyone I am new here and have to make this my first post. We live in NC we have been in the nude lifestyle for over 12 years. we are also Swingers I think i can answer this question as of why others don't want the two said in the same sentence. People still think of sex as Dirty where they don't think the same about being nude any more. Out of all the Swingers we know 100% are Nudist where as only about 50% of the Nudist are swingers. Swingers are no different than anyone else we just like sex a little more in some cases. The bigest thing is that most I say again MOST swingers know where swinging belongs and where it does not. hope to meet some of you this summer.
Jenni
Welcome Jenni to the forum. You understand the distinction between non-sexual nudism or naturism versus swinging. I have read a little about swinging; however it is NOT for me.
To many persons outside nudism or naturism,. nudity = sex, because they don't know the distinction. They are prejudiced, because they believe that all nudity is swinging. That is false. Nudity can be non-sexual.
Naturally, Catbird
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NakedOpeness
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Posted - 06/30/2009 : 11:57:46 AM
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My wife and I are swingers, and I am a nudist. She prefers the sexual atmosphere if she's gonna strip. I could care less. I enjoy being naked, whether it's in a non-sexual atmosphere, or an all out orgy! And there are more swingers that are nudists, than there nudists that are swingers :)
Clothing should always be optional!
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Randall50
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Posted - 08/04/2009 : 3:14:16 PM
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Nudism is always beautiful. Some naked bodies are beautiful, others not. The point is that nudism is beautiful. Sometimes it's hard to know who is naked or nude.
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boobiebear
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Posted - 09/20/2009 : 9:22:35 PM
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The topic of being a swinger and a nudist is a very interesting topic. I think that I read in one of the other posts that one had to be one or the other, that is not true, a person can be both. The fact is a person or couple can be into the swinging lifestyle and still be a nudist. As a swinger I can say that if you meet someone into the lifestyle you can converse with one another as to the degree of swinging everyone is in to but what no one has mentioned is there is no pressure to participate because NO means NO and is followed religiously. The people who are nudist do so for the freedom of being able to shed their clothing and be as free as the day we all were born with no shame. Everyone has their own set of right or wrong but to put limits on others because it is something that they themselves do not agree with is wrong, yes there are laws and moral codes one must follow but to say a person can only be this way or that way is a choice that they themselves must resolve within themselves.
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Admin
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Posted - 09/21/2009 : 12:16:28 PM
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discretion means knowing how to avoid embarrassment or distress.
discreet means prudent; discrete means separate.
The definition of "nudist" that we tend to support is someone that prefers to be nude in social settings, but balances that with a healthy sense of discretion and etiquette. Therefore, an exhibitionist who exposes themselves to others not expecting it cannot be a nudist. If a swinger has sex in open view at a nudist resort, they have abandoned discretion and can never be considered a nudist. Neither is a swinger who just happens to be nude while swinging where social nudity is the smaller part of the agenda.
They might be a nude person, but not a nudist.
We're not willing to promote the idea that anyone taking their clothes off and behaving sexually is by definition a nudist.
If someone were both a nudist and a swinger, they would have to be interested to keep the two separate, or they would not be a nudist at all. Both nudism and the swinger lifestyle have philosophies of behavior, and each would arguably exclude those who don't practice good discretion and respect for others.
One can be both a swinger and a nudist, but the test would be that you'd never know they were swingers even though you've been nude with them a hundred times. Those that are compelled to share their sexual agenda with everyone who is attractive at the nudist resort are not nudists. They are swingers that enjoy nudity.
Since many define a nudist as a person who at all times keeps social nudity and sexual agendas separate, failure to do so disqualifies one as a nudist in our view. It is the key concept of being a nudist.
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GrayWolf
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Posted - 09/21/2009 : 3:13:17 PM
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Well said Admin!
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Warmskin
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Posted - 09/21/2009 : 8:45:42 PM
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Originally posted by Admin
discretion means knowing how to avoid embarrassment or distress.
discreet means prudent; discrete means separate.
This is a term used in electronics. E.g., discrete components, versus integrated components.
Applied to nudism, it's a shame, if no other shame in nudism, that other folks are not always open to nudists, thereby we invoke the discretion. It would be nice to be the analogous equivalent to integrated components, and be fully integrated nudists, wherein we really could integrate into our neighborhood, family, and friends. Till then, we maintain our dual identity as textile and nudist people. It would be well never to mix up those two identities.
"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself."
Thomas Jefferson
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boobiebear
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Posted - 09/22/2009 : 11:27:14 PM
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Admin, I bow to your logic, you bring up valid points and while I still have the mindset that one can be both a swinger and a nudist the two must be seperate. My main point was where I think I read that one could only be one or the other and not both and that is where I disagree. The other points that were brought up very true because as I have stated to others while you can be both, you must use discretion when in the company of others to avoid a scene that might be detrimental to either lifestyle. Maybe one of these days people in the future will be more open to the views and lifestyles of others rather then be so closed minded.
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Carmen34
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Posted - 07/05/2011 : 4:24:54 PM
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Deleted my own post, it was redundant with what the Admin posted.
"Anything that can be done, can be done better while nude."
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Carmen34
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Posted - 07/06/2011 : 10:20:01 AM
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Originally posted by Admin
They might be a nude person, but not a nudist.
This is a great quote, and I just got to use it on another site after a number of guys were hitting on me saying "I am nude at home, and like to get nude on cam, so I am a nudist" when all they wanted was to get into the pants of my daughters and I. ("Pants" being metaphorical in this instance, ja ja ja!)
Thanks Admin for so elegantly summarizing it all!
"Anything that can be done, can be done better while nude."
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nudesunguy
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Posted - 07/07/2011 : 11:43:48 AM
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"One can be both a swinger and a nudist, but the test would be that you'd never know they were swingers even though you've been nude with them a hundred times."
This is a true statement. We have two sets of friends like this; we only found out they were swingers by accident. Didn't really change anything.
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Warmskin
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Posted - 07/07/2011 : 7:42:13 PM
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It may vary from swinger to swinger. I have been to one resort (only one time) and they was a lot of public sensuality being expressed there by some individuals. I suspected they were swingers, but kept that feeling to myself for a while. Later I found out they were swingers alright.
So, it may vary, and perhaps some are better at keeping that tendency to themselves while in public view.
If one cannot keep their arms and hands to themselves at a family nudist resort, (not counting honest affection of an innocent manner)they need to remember that all it takes is one indignant person to make a lot of trouble. Trouble is not what nudism does not need right about now. Witness California's stance on nudist beaches where their gov't has power.
So, if you want to try out swinging in a place meant for it, try a true swinging resort.
"How far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without?"
Dwight D. Eisenhower
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Carmen34
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Posted - 07/07/2011 : 8:55:40 PM
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[i]... all it takes is one indignant person to make a lot of trouble.
A truism in every walk of life, not just the nudist lifestyle!
"Anything that can be done, can be done better while nude."
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Warmskin
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 03:29:43 AM
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Amen, Carmen.
I guess our single interest is more susceptible to corruptions, because we profess nudism. That is a bit different than other interests where there is less controversy. If instead of nudism, we were stamp collectors, and had frequent social events, things might be seen as being more tame by the public. But, just take off our clothes and it's more dicey by nature.
"How far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without?"
Dwight D. Eisenhower
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blavan
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Posted - 07/10/2011 : 4:37:04 PM
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In a family nudist environment, swingers should not behave any differently than anyone else. There obviously are swingers who are present at nudist resorts which do not promote the swinger lifestyle. As long as non-swingers are not aware of the presence of swingers because their behavior is the same as the behavior of any other nudist then no harm-no foul.
So then a non-swinging nudist would not go to a swingers resort and expect the swingers not to swing in front of them. In a swinger resort, swinging behavior is expected. At a nudist resort swinger behavior is not expected or allowed. Let's support the rights of each group to enjoy what they prefer in the appropriate location for it. Some swingers are nudists. Not all nudists are swingers. As we bring other new nudists into the fold, we ought to be able to promise and deliver to them the environment we say is a reality. Nudity does not = sex. The public must understand that not all nudists are swingers. The public also needs to realise that nudists and swingers are all around them where they live, work, and worship, (yes sitting in the church pew beside you), and the general public is not aware of it.
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