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VLM34
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 Posted - 02/10/2009 : 9:07:15 PM
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Originally posted by runninaroundnaked
i suppose if you enter a nudist resort & find everyone with their clothes on:you've actually stumbled upon a swingers resort.
Or you arrived on a cold day.
If everyone is clothed the odds are overwhelming that no one is swinging, so why would you care whether it's a swingers' resort or a nudist resort?
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Warmskin
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 03:06:25 AM
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Out of many concerns one might have is the textile public's perceptions. Perceptions are not always correct, especially about things they have never experienced first-hand.
To some extent, I can conceive that an admixture of swinging and nudism can damage nudism. Of course, to what extent is anyone's guess. Since the public is largely uneducated about the differences between nudism and swinging, they can, upon hearing something about a swinging resort, mistake that for a nudist resort, where all those "naked people hang out and have sex."
Anent the topic at hand, if the swingers are trying to take over nudism, that would be a stake in nudism's heart. All nudists could be painted with a broad brush owing to the inability of the public to no longer discriminate one from the other. Again, as I have said in an earlier message here, I emphasize the word, "IF."
Let's consider a possibility of swingers in action at a traditional nudist resort. Naturally, there would be a lot of nudists who wouldn't like that sort of thing. Legal actions might ensue, and that would bring it into the public's attention -- sex breaking out at the local nudist resort. This may improbable, but possible within the subject of the topic.
From this "hijacking" of nudism, and the publicity from it, the community might move to have the local traditional family nudist resort closed down. If the politicians decide the resort must go because it brings a bad reputation to the community, then the resort is history. It may not end there, as news broadcasters pick up on this somewhat "amusing" story, and use it for a filler in the 6 O'clock News.
While I am not saying this WILL happen, the linkage between the steps are hardly far-fetched within the boundaries of the topic of this thread.
One could hope that the swingers would remember this if they ever had a notion to try to convert a family nudist resort into a more sexual type of facility. I don't know the record of anything like this happening, but I assume this topic doesn't exist for nothing.
Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none.
Thomas Jefferson
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Admin
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 7:39:19 PM
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A good point has been made: hosting swingers at your resort does not mean you are hosting open sex. Swingers, like everyone else, must be well behaved and observe the house rules. The rule take it to your room would still apply, swinger or not.
Let's apply this to some other groups:
You wouldn't want to invite cigarette smokers to the nudist resort, since they'd probably always fail to respect non-smokers and take the cigarettes outside.
You wouldn't want to invite members of a political party to a nudist resort, since those Republicans can't stop talking politics.
You wouldn't want to invite a Christian to the resort, since of course he couldn't stop preaching out loud about fire and brimstone.
And of course you'd never invite a known swinger to a nudist resort, because everybody knows he'd be swinging all over the place, right in front of everybody! That's all they do, those swingers.
And the mailman would keep delivering mail to everybody!
You wouldn't want to invite your hairdresser, since everyone likes their hair to remain the way it was when they arrived.
And never invite a gynecologist to a nudist resort...
Disclaimer: The above was meant only as an illustration of painting with too broad a brush. For those who would take quotes out of context, we have nothing against smokers, Republicans, Christians, well behaved swingers, mailmen, hairdressers, or gynecologists. It was only an illustration.
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VLM34
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Posted - 02/12/2009 : 2:36:53 PM
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Admin:
When dealing with irrational hysteria, it's useless to offer facts, logic, pertinent analogies, etc. You might as well be talking to a wall. But, I suspect you'll keep doing it. As will I.
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Warmskin
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Posted - 02/12/2009 : 6:26:40 PM
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You ever notice how some people are not always quite satisfied with the human condition. The best nudist is a happy one, and learns to share his joy with others. Try it. Life's much sweeter when you approach the world with a smile. You'll be the wiser for it. As soon as you understand human beings, one will save oneself from a coronary infarction. I'm serious about that last statement. Any good cardiologist would say the same thing.
People have a wonderful privilege to enjoy visiting a family-friendly nudist resort. The last thing they need to worry about is a sexually charged atmosphere at a nudist resort. If you want sex, you can find it most anywhere, and you can form your own clubs for that sole purpose. Just don't mix the two. If you find fulfillment with group sex, great!
I just hope that the answer to the topic's question is a "no." I really don't know the answer to the question, but it is mentally confining to believe that one's mind can't explore that question. Some of us might like to kick the question around in our head.
"'Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world."
George Washington
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sailawaybob
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Posted - 02/14/2009 : 9:19:54 PM
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They had a nudist resort convert to a swingers club several years back, I guess it was maybe a money thing, I guess that why I would hesitate moving into a nudist resort, if they get desparate for money or change hands it could bring this lifestyle to your backdoor. If I owned a resort I would not tolerate it and show them to the gate.
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go n nude
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Posted - 02/15/2009 : 06:45:05 AM
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Originally posted by sailawaybob
They had a nudist resort convert to a swingers club several years back, I guess it was maybe a money thing, I guess that why I would hesitate moving into a nudist resort, if they get desparate for money or change hands it could bring this lifestyle to your backdoor. If I owned a resort I would not tolerate it and show them to the gate.
Resorts desperate for money, maybe they should lower their fee's and ask themselves which will it be families or swingers, they,re kidding themselves, thinking the two will co exsist happy ever after, this past summer, friends visited a nice family resort they thought, until the party (dance) sat. night for everybody kids too, his wife and daughter were both hit on by the club swinger, unwelcome sex assault and he's furious someones going to be hurt, cooler heads prevail they take their complaint to mangement and like talking to a wall, their long standing member with his history of hitting everybodies wife or daughter goes on. Others there told them they aren't the first and they won't be the last. Mangement digs its own grave there. Too bad they tolerate it, numerous families have left and who remains?? Maybe they don't care,sooner not later they'll realize big time to look in the mirror, who's fault it really is. The blame game is a shame.
go n nude
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sanoinsc
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Posted - 03/09/2009 : 11:18:12 AM
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Over the past 36 years, I've been privileged to visit nude beaches and resorts throughout much of the world and I can tell you that the vast majority of "family" oriented resorts do a perfectly good job keeping things very much non-sexual.
As well they should.
However, sex at a nude beach or swingers at a nudist resort is hardy some new phenomenon. In fact, I submit that it is the non-sexual crowd that are the newcomers. As far back as the early 1970s, children were only permitted at a very few nudist resorts and one rarely ever saw kids at a nude beach outside of Europe. The stereotype of nudists being sexual people didn't come about by accident; until the mid 1990s, nudism and sexuality were definitely not mutually exclusive.
The existence, near disappearance and now reemergence of swingers and sexual nudists in nudist environments is akin to the changing complexion of Las Vegas. In the 1990s, Vegas went after "families" and damn near collapsed in doing so. They had to make massive investments to change their Sin-City reputation and without thinking things through very well, discovered that the family crowd didn't gamble very much (their main source of income), drank even less (profits on alcohol are huge) and wanted everything for free or at least, dirt cheap. Predictably, the casinos saw their revenues plunge and they've since revamped their business plans to be more adult-oriented, albeit in a classier and more upscale way than before. Things really aren't too different for nudist resorts.
Family and adult beaches and resorts are well known for what they are and in this day of the Internet, it is almost invariably unwitting tourists who failed to perform their due-diligence prior to going to such places who complain.
Most places are up front about their policies and others are simply well known for them. Either way, it isn't exactly a secret and if someone wants one thing or the other, it is up to THEM to make sure they don't wind up in the wrong environment.
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lazarus
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Posted - 03/09/2009 : 11:43:35 AM
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Originally posted by go n nude
Resorts desperate for money, maybe they should lower their fee's and ask themselves which will it be families or swingers,...
go n nude
Lowering fee's would only work if there was sufficient increase in traffic to make up for the lost revenue and actually generate an increase in revenue.
And let us not forget. Bigger numbers at a lower rate, still means bigger costs in maintenance, supplies etc.
Doesn't work in nudism. It works only where the market is sufficiently large. Nudists who actually leave their computers and go to clubs/resorts are a mere handful compared to other tourist groups.
And the family types don't seem to spend or be willing to spend on the level that others do.
A local travel group held two potlucks this winter at our club. $10 per person. Dismal attendance despite it being well promoted among local nudist groups, both on and off the net. They had lots of people saying they would come, but still where it counts... at the gate, next to nil.
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Teva
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Posted - 03/09/2009 : 11:47:14 AM
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sanoinsc, I am disagreeing with you in that children and families have always been a part of GymnoVita in AL and Sunair Health Park in SC since their inception. I know Sunair started in the 50s. I do not know when GymnoVita started. God help anyone who was less than family-friendly there back then let alone now.
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NakedOpeness
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Posted - 05/07/2009 : 1:26:49 PM
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My wife and I are swingers, but I am the only nudist in this relationship. She knows this, and accepts it. I want to raise our kids as nudists as well (we don't have any yet).
Don't think that all swingers have sex on the mind 24/7! We're human too! Sometimes, it's nice just to be naked, sex or not. We want to raise our kids that way too. To feel comfortable in their bodies, but also to be aware of human sexuality, and not be laden with jealousy, as so many "vanillas" are.
Yes, it'll be a tight rope, but one I'd rather deal with at the start, than have my kids be embarrassed of their bodies or their sexuality (my parents are prudes in every sense!).
I am naked all the time. At the house, outside (weather and law permitting), socially (when permitted). In the summer, if I'm not working, what do i wear? Tan-through shorts, tan-through short shorts, tan-through speedos, G-string, or naked (depending on conditions). Unfortunately we don't have any nudist friends :( . We do have swinger friends (some we have sex with, some we don't), but they certainly are not nudists!
Clothing should always be optional!
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fullydressedguy
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Posted - 07/13/2009 : 03:49:36 AM
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Hi everyone. I'm the opposite of the guy that posted above me, my wife is the nudist, I'm not, but we are both swingers. My wife and kids are often nude around the house, but I insist the kids(4 and 7) are dressed at the beach(we don't belong to a club, but we go to the unofficial nude beaches here on Oahu), because of the creepy guys with sunglasses in the treeline.
Anyways, on topic. I find it a bit bizarre that anyone would think swingers as a group have any kind of agenda at all. We don't have a governing body, a newsletter, or monthly meetings. It's not the VFW. It's just a classification for those that share a non traditional view on sex. It's like saying 'people that enjoy oral sex' are out to hijack naturism. I've seen way more of that between 'vanilla'(mono) couples on the beach than I have ever seen any swinging. Yes, some swingers(mono's, Catholics, equestrians, accountants...) behave inappropriately.
Also, as a non nudist swinger, who also attends a nude beach 3 to 4 times a week with my nudist wife, it's a bit insulting to assume I don't know how to separate the two. I'll admit I was a little excited before my first time(I was also 22,lol), but that ended about 5 minutes into the reality. Sure, I'll check out a good looking woman, but so do 90% of guys on a 'clothed beach'. I don't stare though. As a matter of fact, I look less in a nude environment, because for some strange reason, many nudist seem hypersensitive about being looked at at all. It seems counter productive.
Not to mention, you guys should attend some 'non nude' beaches here in Hawaii, if you think lewd behavior is limited to swingers at nude spots. I have seen unbelievable behavior from non swinging couples on non nude beaches.
That being said, the biggest threat our local nude beach(especially as they are technically illegal in the first place), is gay men using them as 'cruising' and hook up spots. But, I don't think they have some agenda to 'hijack' the nude beach. I think it's just convenient for them, and until nude beaches are not so rare, they will continue to attract those type of people(gay or straight), that participate in that kind of thing.
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VLM34
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Posted - 07/13/2009 : 06:45:31 AM
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Originally posted by sanoinsc
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Most places are up front about their policies and others are simply well known for them. Either way, it isn't exactly a secret and if someone wants one thing or the other, it is up to THEM to make sure they don't wind up in the wrong environment.
It _ought_ to be up to them, but they don't see it that way.
I had a session once with the preacher of the only church near a c-o beach that was under attack. He'd been roiling up his flock, sermon after sermon. His attitude was absolutely without a hint of compromise: "I have the right to go anywhere without seeing sin. Nudity is sin. Sin is contagious. I don't want to be contaminated. My eternal soul is at risk. Therefore, the c-o beach must be closed."
The leader of the anti-beach crowd was from the preachers flock. He could see the beach from his property, but only if he perched on the highest spot on his land and used binoculars. He didn't like nudity at all, and was enraged by homosexuality. He'd go berserk at the sight of a penis ring, which he believed was solely a homosexual practice. His attitude was similar to that of his preacher's. "I have the right to spend every weekend on that high spot surveying the area with binoculars. I must not see anything that displeases me. Those blankety-blank nudes displease me. Those blankety-blankety-blank gays are an abomination unto the Lord. Therefore, the beach must be closed."
We see some quite similar attitudes here in NRO, and elsewhere, as regards swingers. Swingers, whether actually swinging or not, must not cross their gaze.
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2newnudists
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Posted - 08/11/2009 : 7:47:07 PM
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I don't think Swingers are out to Hijack Naturism, I believe the Resort owners are doing a good job of that on their own.
I understand in this economy, business owners will do just about anything to boost business & increase sales. Thus, having large groups of Swingers come in to spend money every weekend.
However, I don't think - - should allow Swinger sites to advertise them as such as this Swingers site does:
[link deleted]
You may have to hit refresh once or twice for the - - banner to come up.
Edited by - Admin to remove link to swinger website with graphic imagery.
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Posted - 08/12/2009 : 12:10:10 AM
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We had to remove that link to the swinger club website, because of the graphic images in the banner rotation on that front page. We generally don't allow links to swinger sites unless they are unusually careful not to include graphic imagery or text throughout the entire website, and are information/educational only.
What 2newnudists is describing is a horizontal banner 730x90 pixels appearing at the bottom of a Tampa Bay area swing club's index page in rotation with other banners advertising adult clubs, sex devices, and other sexual content.
As long as the link remains live, here is the banner alone. [link]
It is an ad for - - Vacation Club. It says "2009 Vacation Club Special! Want an endless summer where the fun never ends? Experience - - Luxury at a discount with our Summer Vacation Club Special!"
The images used in the banner are tasteful, suggesting a young couple enjoying simple nudity on vacation. However, it does in fact appear on a swinger lifestyle website in rotation with overtly graphic sexual ads.
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