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PapaShug
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I think the relationship between breathing and sin will precede any relationship between nudity and sin.
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Ned Adams
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Posted - 07/21/2004 : 06:17:54 AM
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I am not sure what you mean by nudity = sex. It is very true that a major message of the old testament is to be virtuous and those who were not virtuous vere nude. But virtuous people could also be nude. Some writers had stated that workers in fields were nude because of the heat. Ruth was a gleaner in the fields and I assume that she was portrayed as being virtuous. Was she nude in the field? If so, I would not equate it with sex. Just as now, I believe that one could be nude then and still be virtuous, but unfortunately, most were not virtuous. Do you agree?
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If you back to the original of the Old Testament, nudity = sex.
Doing what I can to positively promote nudism
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natman55
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Posted - 07/21/2004 : 1:56:41 PM
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Cheri,
Yesterday's post was a bit hasty, so I took a little time to re-explore the Old Testament to see if I could find what you were talking about.
I did find an area of Leviticus that refers several times to "exposing the nakedness" of someone.
At first glance one could easily think that this is mere nakedness, but all the commentaries pointed out that that phrase refers to "sexual relations as in marriage" or "takin in marriage".
All of the other references referred more to deprivation of protection or clothing.
I even tripped onto a verse I hadn't encountered before in 1Sam 19 indicating that David prophesied naked "all that day and all that night".
Another point to ponder is that God commanded Moses to remove his sandals before he approached Him. I think God knows we are more humble when we are as naked as when we were made.
These are the Hebrew words I found for "naked" and "nakedness"
ma`arom - naked
`uwr - naked
`eyrom - naked
`arowm - naked
`eryah - naked
para` - naked
ma`owr - nakedness
ma`ar - nakedness
`eyrom - nakedness
`ervah - nakedness
Sincerely,
Nat
"Be Naked but don't Sin."
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ToAsTeD
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Posted - 12/22/2006 : 11:45:55 PM
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This thread died out over 2 years ago!
Let's bring it back!
Any takers?
(We need to get a really good discussion going in the Forum... somewhere!)
-ToAsTeD
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Warmskin
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Posted - 11/20/2008 : 6:24:46 PM
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Yeah, I'm bringing this thread back to life. Ideas don't have dates and times. They always exist.
Are Nudism and Sin Related? Sin originates in one's heart. Clothing or lack of it has no bearing on sin. Look how much sin is committed by people who wear clothing. I would venture to say that our prison systems are filled with criminals who committed their crimes while wearing clothing.
As for the theological angle to nudism, it all depends on what you do with nudism, or when you are nude. Do you offend people when you are nude? Do you steal from other people, hurt them, violate them in some way? If not, then nudism is not a sin, nor does it promote sin. To me, nudism is nothing as far as a factor is concerned. I'm just as polite and respectful in clothing as I am out of my clothing.
God sees my heart and head, not your or my clothing.
That government governs best, which governs least - Thomas Jefferson
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Couldn't you bring back to life one that doesn't involve religion??? lol
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Warmskin
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Posted - 11/20/2008 : 9:39:12 PM
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Actually religion is an integral part of this thread. My point in this one is that Christianity supports nudism. The restoration of the Garden of Eden sounds good to me.
That government governs best, which governs least - Thomas Jefferson
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cony
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Posted - 11/23/2008 : 08:26:14 AM
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Actually religion is an integral part of this thread. My point in this one is that Christianity supports nudism. The restoration of the Garden of Eden sounds good to me.
Unfortunately in my opinion, and I do not wish to insult anyone or their beliefs, but I think that religion has a lot to answer for in the demonising of nude life. The 'modern' translations and interpretations of the texts in the bible were taken from a 'modern' perspective and not that of the time they originated. Don't forget that the bible we know of today really only took it's present form in the 5th Century, following a meeting of the priests/bishops/leaders of the time who decided what was to be included and what not! 
Cony 
ps. modern does not mean this or the previous century
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Warmskin
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Posted - 11/23/2008 : 3:40:00 PM
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Interesting point, Cony. I guess I see the other side of this coin, wherein, secular, social values have directed the manner of dress and undress. I am still trying to find a religious teaching (in Christianity, anyway) that says nudity and sin are linked together.
If you want to sin, you can do that with your clothes on, and I think sinning would most likey be committed by textile people. What danger would one face from a nudist?
I think that nudism promotes peaceful behavior, makes us feel wonderfully vulnerable, and makes us more civil. I have never heard of a nude suicide-squad in the military. 
Religion can help if it focuses on man's relationship with God, and not on what we should or should not wear. Clothes offer no protection in spiritual manners.
If nudism takes more root in America, it will not be because Christianity (I am not knowledgeable to speak for other religions)succumbed to it. It will be because the social, secular conditions have become more human and free.
That government governs best, which governs least - Thomas Jefferson
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Posted - 11/23/2008 : 5:24:59 PM
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*What danger would one face from a nudist?*
They could spray you with their secret, double-ought spy sunscreen ...
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FlCpl4NewdFun
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Posted - 11/23/2008 : 6:09:34 PM
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If you want to sin, you can do that with your clothes on, and I think sinning would most likey be committed by textile people. What danger would one face from a nudist?
Hold-up there Warmskin. You are inappropriately putting nudists on a pedestal and dangerously approaching the realm of the "elitist nudist". I'm quite sure Nudists are equally as likely to Sin as the next person (in the traditional sense that is). As far as the danger goes, I suspect that would be dependent on the nudist in question. Surely you've seen a few episodes of the show "Cops." Nothing like too much cheap beer and a TV crew to bring out one's inner nudist.
Remember, as a population we're just like everybody else, no better no worse. Further, you are also linking Sin with secular criminal behavior, when in fact the two are not related and have nothing to do with one another.
Most Christian teaching would define Sin as the seeking of our own will instead of the will of God. Which really has nothing to do with human law or nudity. As you know, perpetual Sin and our human inability to resist it is the entire basis of Christianity (do not confuse with entire "purpose", I said "basis"). Everyone's a sinner by definition, thus we need salvation brought to us by Jesus dying on the cross, yada, yada, yada. (actually a little more complex and mysterious than that but you get the point). I don't remember hearing about an exception for nudists.
I think the question "are nudists less likely to commit crimes?" is what you are really talking about. In that case, religion can be removed from the equation all together. Although, not sure if the answer would be any different.
I hope nobody views this post as an attack on people of faith because it is not, I'd like to think it's actually an affirmation of it's universal equality.
Cheers!
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Warmskin
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Posted - 11/23/2008 : 7:35:30 PM
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Hi FlCpl4NewdFun,
I didn't mean to put anybody up on a pedestal, Sorry if I did that. I am merely thinking that people who harm others -- burglary, killing, theft, etc., are usually not nude when they do that soft of thing. As for adultery, and the more personal sinning, you might be correct. It's just that in my experience, all the worst things done to me were done by people who I would have a hard time imagining at a nudist resort. That may be more of an intutional viewpoint. I figure that a nudist doesn't operate, except out in the open.
I am not taking into consideration things like white collar crimes and the like. When I think of obvious and frequest sins, I think of violations of other people. Since nudists are checked for the backgrounds before they can be a resort member, or even visit a resort, depending, there is an extra measure that at least they do not have major criminal backgrounds.
Perhaps, I am clumsily trying to say is that when people are nude, as in the case of nudists, it seems less likely that most of the sins they can commit, save for family problems, are not likely because of their state of nudity. Maybe you can extract the meaning of my ramblings today. If you can, you're ahead of the pack!!
As for the main topic, I don't see that nudity leads to sin, in the most general definintion. Only a foul heart can do that, clothed or unclothed.
That government governs best, which governs least - Thomas Jefferson
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Warmskin
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Posted - 12/03/2008 : 01:38:54 AM
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*What danger would one face from a nudist?*
They could spray you with their secret, double-ought spy sunscreen ...
Hehehe, Carole. Very clever quip!! I used those words because I stole them from John Dryden of the 1600s. It was from "King Arthur," a semi-opera, also in the 1600s, wherein a scene depicted water-nymphs were encoutered by a man (possibly King Arthur-- can't precisely recall the libretto). They tried to pursuade the king to join them, stating what could he fear from a naked foe? That sentence did get me to think. The only weapon the nymphs had was their mind and body. That would be a powerful foe, but free-spirited ones, at that.
If I were King Arthur, I would have joined the lovely ladies in the water, but might would kept my eye open for trickery, even a double barreled spray bottle of suntan lotion!!
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." James Madison
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Posted - 12/03/2008 : 08:34:49 AM
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I like your idea of restoring the Garden of Eden :)
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HannahB
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Posted - 12/03/2008 : 10:47:47 AM
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I like your idea of restoring the Garden of Eden :)
Well OF COURSE you would like restore the Garden of Eden [wink, wink] :)
I don't want to go to far down the religion road here (something tells me I will be attacked if I do), but I must add that I totally agree that all of us are capable of sin, and that yes, that is a crucial corner stone of Christianity.
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