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Digital_Cowboy
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 Posted - 06/03/2007 : 3:58:28 PM
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Digital Cowboy,
Sorry if I made an erroneous assumption about the members. It just seems that of the posters that list a country of origin, most seem to be from the U.S. I am not a militant taking one side or the other, but rather an ordinary guy who doesn’t want a venue closed just because a few people want to make a statement. I stand by my suggestion that there are places to go where one can go to do as one pleases.
I’m sure I think I said what I probably meant, but maybe not.
Boomdriver,
I’d have to agree with you that it is true that it appears that of those who choose to list their country of origin/residence that it would appear that most of them are from the U.S. But that doesn’t mean that the majority of the members/posters here are from the U.S. and as American’s I think that we tend to lose track of that.
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Digital_Cowboy
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Posted - 06/03/2007 : 4:39:50 PM
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Originally posted by Digital_Cowboy
Urine is sterile; it carries no germs. (As if germs had anything to do with Cheri’s point.)
What I wrote was that in polite society, one behaves in accordance with those around him. I was NOT comparing an erection with excretion.
Cheri
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Cheri,
I’m sorry, but that is exactly the impression that you are giving people as YOU are the one who is ALWAYS saying that “in polite society/company one doesn’t sneeze in one’s face, or just urinate, or defecate where they wish.” So how can anyone NOT get the impression that you are doing anything other then comparing an erection with excretion?
Also weren’t YOU the one to point out to Sally when she compared how women used to be treated during their periods to how men are being treated IF they should have an erection and don’t cover it up? Aren’t YOU the one who said that menstruation isn’t about arousal???
Yet, I am sure that we all know that there are plenty of people out there in the world who DO get aroused by either urinating on someone, or having someone urinate on them, I believe that that is called a “golden shower.” Also there are again plenty of people out there who get aroused from either having someone defecate on them, or their defecating on someone else. And there are also likewise plenty of people out there who again are aroused by being intimate with a woman who is menstruating, and if I’m not mistaken that is called “red wings,” or something like that.
Let’s also not forget that in our “modern” society that there are still plenty of folks who do consider it very impolite to go nude socially with few exceptions, i.e. the shower/locker room at the gym or work where it is usually divided by gender men on one side and women on the other, or in the doctor’s office with the doctor and nurse being fully clothed and “you” the patient being nude or semi-nude. Why such a division/situation is less of a “sin” I have yet to figure out. I mean if by their standards that it is a “sin” to see a person not your spouse nude then it shouldn’t matter if it’s all women or all men who are nude, or the doctor or nurse. Rather then it being a co-ed type of an arrangement, nude is nude whether it’s all men or all women.
And the primary reason for covering one’s nose or urinating, or defecating in a “special” place is more health related then it is politeness related. Yes, it is also polite to cover one’s mouth and nose when sneezing but that politeness stems from the prevention of the spreading of germs, which is the same reason for the regulating of bodily wastes into a closed system.
You are comparing apples to oranges by comparing whether an erection in public is “polite” with sneezing, urinating, and defecating. The “two” are totally unrelated.
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Pete Knight
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Posted - 06/05/2007 : 1:50:45 PM
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Good god almighty, are you still chewing this old chestnut?
These pro erection guys are persistent I'll give them that, but I still believe that its not the done thing to leave an erection on full display, and any attempts to convince me otherwise will be wasted.
A simple question I put to pro erection guy on an Australian Yahoo group recently;
Would you be happy to parade your erection in front of your Granny and/or your children?
Naturism/nudism isn't an 'Adult' activity, its a family activity, so why do anything that isn't appropriate in such an environment. if you feel its right and proper to display your erection then I think you may be an exhibitionist not a nudist, try doing a Google search on those words.
What is the next step if erections are accepted as part of nudism? Are we then expected to accept that a couple may copulate on the club lawns "Because its a normal bodily function" despite the fact that families attend the club, just where does it end, well I'll tell you where it ends, it ends where the established and widely accepted conventions on naturist etiquette say it ends.
I don't know why anyone gets so upset about being expected to use a modicum of discretion, and it makes me laugh when that guy gets so uptight when erections and defecation are compared, so whats wrong with that, they are both bodily functions, deny it if you can.
Argue all you want here, but try parading your erection around any of the clubs I know and you'll find yourself in an awful lot of trouble for overstepping the line.
Now will you people get a life and accept the conventions of naturism.
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spiceant
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Posted - 06/05/2007 : 4:52:19 PM
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The issue seems to be about the same problem as nudism in general regardless of erections. It's okay to get nude and it's okay to get erections but you don't do anything in particular with either one. This is the whole discussion about wether nudism = sex again. The same arguments are being recycled in another angle. At best you'r a guy walking around with an erect penis hopefully not erect all day long. All the things you can do wrong can be done with and without an erection. It are the same pressumptions "textiles" have against "nudists".
How much does this discussion defer from "is nudism sex?"
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bk-yd-nude
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 7:54:57 PM
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So far, I have yet to see any erections at the resorts/clubs in our area ... and I doubt that I will, it is simply not a sensual activity, IMHO
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nudistme
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Posted - 06/14/2007 : 8:15:30 PM
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hello everybody!
Although i agree that this topic has gone too far... It seems that it has to do with how liberal or how conservative is everybody here in general.
I tend to agree with Sally in the way she sees the matter , although i dont think that erections happen that much in nudist life.
There is a lot of hypocricy if we say that nudists are not humans and they cant admire a beautiful body or a part of it. Although nobody who is polite stares you can get inspired...
Yes if you flaunt it you are a jerk... Or at least i would not do it.
Maybe our society is not ready for mature and equal behavior between sexes. I am sure about it.
We need rules... and laws or we think we need them. It is true that nudism requiers a certain level of acceptance of yourself and others as long as a quality to be detached from the sexual need while being nude with others and at the same time being able to enjoy it socialy and personaly. If you have this quality , i think you wont exhibit an arousal , unless you want to say something with it , or make a statement , or you are among really close friends.
I can imagine nudist beaches where such exhibitions or erotic spectacles would be allowed and normal but it has to be a very open place and definitely not in the US. A place like that would easily be annoying if you were not there for a sexual reason. People would hit on you and stare and being a pain in the butt...
So for me its all a matter of personal growth and realization. I dont have anything against sexual and erotic. I dont have anything against arousals and erections. As long as its not annoying and like somebody trying to get my attention and forcing me to look in a way.
But its not a simple matter. The simplest is to just say. Erections are not allowed and get over with it. But in this way you will strungle freedom and the essense of being nude and relaxed.
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naturallyspeaking
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 Posted - 06/16/2007 : 04:27:33 AM
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Trying to compare naturally born men and women from a behavioral perspective or from an anatomical perspective is impossible, especially regarding inherant sexuality. Women are not necessarily inherently sexual in the nude to the average disciplined person who might encounter them in a nudist setting. Sexuality from the female perspective involves complexities related to intentions and behavior including subtleties and "natural vibes," and things... this is one of the things, in my opinion, that sets natural nudity apart from porn, and elevates it even to the level of artistic beauty. It's way easier to accomplish this for women than men due to the inherant sexuality of the anatomical realities of being male and the social realities regarding the fact that men are naturally "exposed" bodily and sexually. Due to these differences, in my opinion, men must be more discreet in public nudist settings to avoid appearing obscene or sexual. Most people understand this naturally, but for the ones who don't, there should be posted rules at nudist beaches. Women are the more refined sex reflecting natural artistic beauty by nature, and men should behave themselves around them if they want to be accepted socially in nudist environments and carry a towel for weak moments--especially if they want to be invited back...
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Sally
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Posted - 06/24/2007 : 4:03:06 PM
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Originally posted by Pete Knight
Good god almighty, are you still chewing this old chestnut?
These pro erection guys are persistent I’ll give them that, but I still believe that its not the done thing to leave an erection on full display, and any attempts to convince me otherwise will be wasted.
A simple question I put to pro erection guy on an Australian Yahoo group recently;
Would you be happy to parade your erection in front of your Granny and/or your children?
Pete, one of the problems that you and the rest of the I guess for lack of better word or term anti-erection crowd. Is that you all are assuming that a man with an erection has one for sexual reasons. As we read in either this thread or another. There was a lady who while at the resort that she goes to saw a man floating on a raft in the pool with an erection. After looking at him for I am guessing several minutes she finally turns away. At this point the man’s wife walks over and explains that her husband because of medical reasons had had a penile implant.
I am quite sure that he isn’t the only male in the nudist community with such an implant. But according to you and the rest of the anti-erection crowd he is wrong and somehow less of a nudist because he has an erection that he can’t control. As well as according to you and the rest of the anti-erection crowd he needs to keep his erection covered by a towel, or by laying on his belly when he wants to go out to the pool, beach and tan/swim.
Just how is such a person suppose to get an all over tan, if he has to keep a towel in his lap, or lay on his belly??? Also what is he suppose to do, carry a letter from his doctor saying that he has a penile implant? What about the militant anti-erection person who doesn’t believe that the letter is real? And accuses him of being a sexual pervert trying to get his jollies by flaunting his erection in front of everyone?
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Naturism/nudism isn’t an ‘Adult’ activity, its a family activity, so why do anything that isn’t appropriate in such an environment. if you feel its right and proper to display your erection then I think you may be an exhibitionist not a nudist, try doing a Google search on those words.
True, but are there not clubs that have times and activities set aside that are for adults only, and where children under a certain age are not welcome? Not every aspect of every activity is going to be family friendly 100% of the time. Also see the above passage about men who for whatever reasons have had to have a penile implant.
And just why can’t a person who might also be an exhibitionist also be a nudist? As I am sure that at one time or another we have all been accused of being an exhibitionist. When I was in college I was accused of being an exhibitionist, until those who were accusing me learned more about nudism and how I was raised as a child.
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What is the next step if erections are accepted as part of nudism? Are we then expected to accept that a couple may copulate on the club lawns “Because its a normal bodily function” despite the fact that families attend the club, just where does it end, well I’ll tell you where it ends, it ends where the established and widely accepted conventions on naturist etiquette say it ends.
I don’t know why anyone gets so upset about being expected to use a modicum of discretion, and it makes me laugh when that guy gets so uptight when erections and defecation are compared
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Cheri
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Posted - 06/24/2007 : 5:47:00 PM
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Sally, Two of my male acquaintances have penile implants. They are of average size, and it's not obvious they are erect. I've seen them both standing, sitting, and laying on a chaise. Maybe to get his all over tan, he could put his chaise or towel away from the general population. It's just not polite in nudist society especially in the United States.
Events for adults only, are usually after 9:30pm when youngsters should be asleep.
If you're into nudism to be an exhibitionist, you're in the wrong place. Young people who have good bodies are proud of them, but flaunting oneself is not appropriate at a nudist venue. If you just sit, lay down, play volleyball, swim, relax in a hot tub, not strutting aroung, that's fine.
I've been a nudist for almost 40 of my 60 years and have gone through many stages from age 19. I have visited over 50 clubs, parks, resorts, and beaches in the US and the Caribbean.
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Sally
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Posted - 06/24/2007 : 6:13:56 PM
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Originally posted by Cheri
Sally, Two of my male acquaintances have penile implants. They are of average size, and it’s not obvious they are erect. I’ve seen them both standing, sitting, and laying on a chaise. Maybe to get his all over tan, he could put his chaise or towel away from the general population. It’s just not polite in nudist society especially in the United States.
But the question still is why even for a man with a penile implant do they need to cover it up? And as you have just said it seems to be largely an issue here in the United States.
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Events for adults only, are usually after 9:30pm when youngsters should be asleep.
I realize that, but that points out that not everything associated with nudism has to be family friendly all of the time.
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If you’re into nudism to be an exhibitionist, you’re in the wrong place. Young people who have good bodies are proud of them, but flaunting oneself is not appropriate at a nudist venue. If you just sit, lay down, play volleyball, swim, relax in a hot tub, not strutting around, that’s fine.
Cheri if you remember I was raised from an early age where it was acceptable for not only my brothers and sisters to go nude, but for our friends and their families as well. I am not an exhibitionist, although I have been called that by those who don’t understand about nudism or how I was raised. I am just asking why one can't be both?
And I think that that is the same thing that those who don’t have a problem with erections are trying to say. So long as the person in question isn’t strutting around or otherwise flaunting it where is the problem? It should be their actions that they are judged on.
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I’ve been a nudist for almost 40 of my 60 years and have gone through many stages from age 19. I have visited over 50 clubs, parks, resorts, and beaches in the US and the Caribbean.
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Have you been to any in Europe, I haven’t, but I would like to one day just to see how they do things. One of the things that really gets under my skin is how some of you make it seem that what is or isn’t acceptable behavior here in the United States for nudists, is universally accepted everywhere in the world. I think that we should be intelligent enough to know that that isn’t true, not even for everyday aspects of everyday life. IF it were then why are groups like al qaeda and the taliban attacking us and our way of life?
I say live and let live, and if you don’t have anything nice to say about someone or something then keep your mouth shut.
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Cheri
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Posted - 06/25/2007 : 09:06:51 AM
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Sally, We have lost nude beaches in the US because of overt sexuality! We need to keep our beaches and other venues as family-friendly as possible. We can ill-afford to lose any of the few we have.
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OLD BUZZARD
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Posted - 06/25/2007 : 2:08:53 PM
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i have said it before and will say it again.......i think the person with the erection should be judged by his actions,what he dose with it not the basic erection. be discrete,dont call attension to it,dont parade it,or flont it!!!! the only thing i feel is that if one has an erection is that he doesnt have to cover up if he feels he is beeing descrete about it,but it is ok if he does want to cover up. this rule is one of the main reasons i havent gone to a nudist org. i am a home nudist and think i will stay one. i dont beleive in flounting or any exibiting,or parading it around but also dont beleave in manditory covering up if beeing descrete about it. need some nuteral ground!!!
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nudistme
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Posted - 06/25/2007 : 5:21:13 PM
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Again i agree with Sally...
And again i think it has to do with education , sexual education , culture , and how conservative or liberal you are. Personaly i would not ba offended by anyone even somebody who would be exposing his erection being proud of it. I also would not be offended if a woman was exposing her erect clitoris and labia.
We got to learn to deal with our fears. Some people here fear anything that has to do with sexuality. For me sexuality is in our nature and should not be mutilated . About children , they should also learn that this is a natural function and not something that dad and mom should do secretely. (Even being tender between them) Fear is the enemy of modern societies.
I am not against exhibitionists on nudist beaches although sometimes they can be ridiculous and annoying. But i believe that anyone can and should be able to protect him self . we dont need all these rules. I am from Europe and more specificaly Greece which is a nudist destination and people of all over Europe and the world visit our beaches. We are not so organized as in Usa . But at the same time people dont have to pay to be nude and dont have to be afraid so much that they would be castrated if they had a "sinnful" thought while nude and an errection , or they happened to like the gorgeous girl on the towel 2 meters away... As long as we dont annoy our fellow human beings by acting naturaly , then we should feel free to do whatever we like.
Everybody in a community of people or a society can defend him or herself and also the community its self develops mechanisms of such defense against annoying behaviors. But we dont have to PRO ACT....
Thats my opinion
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Digital_Cowboy
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Posted - 06/25/2007 : 6:29:58 PM
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Originally posted by Cheri
Sally, We have lost nude beaches in the US because of overt sexuality! We need to keep our beaches and other venues as family-friendly as possible. We can ill-afford to lose any of the few we have.
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Cheri,
I agree with you and others that if a person is activly engaging in some sort of sexual activity that they should be told to stop and/or asked to leave. But how is a man who for whatever medical reason has had to have a penile implant acting in an "overtly" sexual manner? He has had a medical condition that surgery corrected. He is hardly in a position to "get rid" of his erection. So why does he need to "turn away" from the pool or "cover up?"
And as you yourself have admitted there are times when it is acceptable for clubs, resorts what have you to have time set aside for adults only activity. How is that going to hurt nudism here in the States? Don't we as adults have the "right" to be with adults and do "adult" things with them. Particularly if as you pointed out it's when the kiddies are in bed with a babysitter?
Also don't you realize that by cowtowing to the textiles notion that we are nothing but a bunch of "sex perverts" that we are actually giving them even more power over us? I'm sorry but they already have enough power, why not educate them as to what really goes on behind the walls of a nudist/clothing-optional resort? Invite a camera crew in to shot a documentary. Admit that in a relaxed non-threating enviroment it is possible for a man to have an erection without having any desire to have sex with someone.
We also need to remember that just because something is or isn't accepted here in the Good Ole USofA doesn't make it right or wrong elsehwere in the world.
I like what (I think) Sally said, about live and let live. If your at a nudist/clothing-optional venue (or anywhere else for that matter) and you see something that offends you, do the LOGICAL thing and LOOK AWAY. Don't expect them to conform to your idea of right and wrong.
Also if as you and others say that nudism is about body acceptance why make a big deal out of how a small appendage reacts to certain stimulis? Isn't that sending mixed signals???
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Digital_Cowboy
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Posted - 06/25/2007 : 6:43:18 PM
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Originally posted by OLD BUZZARD
i have said it before and will say it again.......i think the person with the erection should be judged by his actions,what he dose with it not the basic erection. be discrete,dont call attension to it,dont parade it,or flont it!!!! the only thing i feel is that if one has an erection is that he doesnt have to cover up if he feels he is beeing descrete about it,but it is ok if he does want to cover up. this rule is one of the main reasons i havent gone to a nudist org. i am a home nudist and think i will stay one. i dont beleive in flounting or any exibiting,or parading it around but also dont beleave in manditory covering up if beeing descrete about it. need some nuteral ground!!!
old buzzard
Old Buzzard,
Sadly I can see this happening more and more, i.e. men being afraid to go to a nude beach or club for fear that the anti-erection police will pounce on them and expell them from the beach or club. For simply have an erection and not trying to hide it.
As you say it should be their actions that they're judged on and not the reaction of a small part of their anatomy to external stimuli.
Such as IF the man or young boy in question is sitting on a towel masturbating then yes someone (prefreably an employee of the club or beach) needs to go over sit down and explain why what he is doing and where isn't the right time or place to be doing what they're doing. The same applies IF the person in question is a woman or young girl as I'm sure we all know they're just as capable as we men of "behaving badly."
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