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melissastarr
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 Posted - 11/08/2003 : 09:19:31 AM
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Just to give you warning, I'm probably going to get myself into trouble in this post... I'm really good at getting in trouble. But I have some questions that I'd like to throw out at the board to see what other people are thinking:
From visiting nudist message boards, talking to other nudists via e-mail and private messages, and attending a nudist swim, it seems that there are far more male nudists than female. I can understand this (well, not really... but work with me here) and even accept it a bit. Until I visit nudist sites that have pictures on it. Most of the sites that I've visited that have pictures show far more women than men in the pictures. Does this perplex anyone else? I mean, if there are more male nudists then it stands to reason that there would be more male nudist pictures than female nudist pictures, right? I don't mean to be a pervert or anything, it's not like I'm LOOKING for male nude pictures, I've just noticed the disproportion in it all. I know it's not the webmaster's fault- they just put up what they're given. Any thoughts on why this occurs? I'm curious as to what others think of this issue.
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Cheri
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Posted - 11/08/2003 : 6:48:17 PM
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I'm just guessing here, Melissa, but perhaps women give a legitimacy to nudist websites...possibly trying to lure other women there??
My club's website doesn't have photos on purpose. I want the words to speak for themselves.
Hugs, Cheri
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 11/08/2003 : 8:51:19 PM
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Cheri,
I think you have a good point there... I think if women saw pictures with hundreds of males and no females they would be less likely to try naturism. Much the same as the single person in a swimsuit on a nude beach... They stand out.
Cheers,
Spontanudity
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Kimberly
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Posted - 11/11/2003 : 05:12:49 AM
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I agree Cheri, they must be trying to attract more females. Everywhere I have been there are always more male nudists than women, not that I am complaining. Maybe women feel more comfortable in posting their pictures?
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calmnude
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Posted - 11/11/2003 : 3:59:22 PM
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to the fine women of the board,
dont know the answer, but it sems the image is more "healthy" than the old cheesecake.
but cheesecake lives. a lot of women wont try nudism because they dont feel right about their bodies. i like people, men and women as people, what they look like is secondary, although a nice body gets more visual attention.
and beauty is in the eye of the beholder , after all, and some women seem to forget that. the women i have loved, i loved them for them first, not their bodies.
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 11/12/2003 : 06:46:17 AM
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Calm,
Call me naive but I'm still not convinced that naturism is disproportionate purely because women are more body concious than men. If this were the case how do you reconcile that fact that some women are involved in the lifestyle and are very passionate about it.
I think the answer lies a little deeper than that. I've had female friends of mine would say that would enjoy going to a nude beach, but feel unsafe doing it. I've always believed that clothes act as a barrier or a defence in a number of ways ie physically, socially and psychologically. I have observed that people are more honest and open when they are nude because they have less to hide in a physical sense, which translates emotionally and psychologically. Test this for yourself, next time you're having an argument with your partner try both doing it the nude. I know its a strange concept, but I've done it with past girlfriends. Everytime the argument seems to stop rather rapidly and we our differences have been settled. At the very least I know this would make an interesting academic research subject.
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Spontanudity
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vealj
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Posted - 11/12/2003 : 3:21:05 PM
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Great question Melissa. Wish there was a great answer to it. There has always been a disproportionate number of males interested in nudism than females (traditionally the ratio is about 5 to 1). This causes all sorts of problems, the single males issue is one (more single men want to join or visit nudist clubs than single females).
There are probably a lot reasons for this. One which comes to mind is that women are taught throughout the world they are vulnerable without their clothes in the presence of a group of males (historically this is correct outside of a nude beach or nudist club). Of course, there is also the reason advertisers spend billions on sophisticated media campaigns each year convincing women their bodies aren't perfect (perfect being some model who is 30 pounds underweight for TV and photo purposes). Since I'm not a woman, I can only guess but that's what women have told me as to why they won't try nudism. (Body self-consciousness and fear)
As for the nudist websites containing pics of mostly women, it's not just the websites. It's the nudist web groups, nudist magazines, publications and organizations too. I think the hope is that by showing more nude women in the marketing more women will be attracted to the nudist lifestyle. As you have already guessed, that doesn't work - probably never will.
Take care and ...
Keep it Bare !!!
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melissastarr
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Posted - 11/12/2003 : 5:58:10 PM
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I appreciate all of your thoughts and I've certainly been trying to puzzle all of this out in my own mind. There are a few things that come to mind in this discussion:
1) From watching TV- something I do rarely- I often see sex selling products. For example, if you want men to buy a certain brand of beer the best way to do so is to put some sexy women with the beer-drinker on the commercial.
2) Therefore, wouldn't it be wiser to put some great looking guys in the nudist magazines and web-sites so that the women will 'buy?' This would make sense to me. BTW- I'm NOT looking out for myself in this statement, I personally am not ready for dating just yet so I don't know that this kind of ad would work for me.
3) Perhaps, I'm thinking, what's going on is that men are the ones taking the pictures. And since the men make up more of the nudist population than women, they are submitting more women pics than women are submitting men pics.
4) Or... women are just more beautiful than men :)
Just some thoughts to chew on.
Melissa
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calmnude
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Posted - 11/12/2003 : 6:14:11 PM
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1.would you women go to a resort just to check out nude men?
2. women are definitely more interesting to look at and more beautiful in my mind than men. beauty, as always in eye of beholder.
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CoolNude72
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Posted - 11/12/2003 : 6:14:37 PM
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Melissa,
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1) From watching TV- something I do rarely- I often see sex selling products. For example, if you want men to buy a certain brand of beer the best way to do so is to put some sexy women with the beer-drinker on the commercial.
I feel using sex to promote naturism would be way off base. That is not the message needed to portray true nudism.
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2) Therefore, wouldn't it be wiser to put some great looking guys in the nudist magazines and web-sites so that the women will 'buy?' This would make sense to me. BTW- I'm NOT looking out for myself in this statement, I personally am not ready for dating just yet so I don't know that this kind of ad would work for me.
No, I feel there should be more 'average' men and women in nudist magazines, as opposed to 'good-looking' ones. I feel that with the absence of 'average' men and women in those magazines misses out what nudism is all about, not how 'good-looking' someone is.
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3) Perhaps, I'm thinking, what's going on is that men are the ones taking the pictures. And since the men make up more of the nudist population than women, they are submitting more women pics than women are submitting men pics.
That is a good possibility, but I feel a lot of women are just trying to protect themselves. Because you have to realize that even though its a nudist magazine, a large number of the population views it as porn, even though it is far from it. And with the age of internet, it is very easy for people to steal a photo and alter it to make it more like porn.
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4) Or... women are just more beautiful than men :)
All women are beautiful. 
Bare Hugz
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 11/12/2003 : 11:20:09 PM
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Melissa,
Health and Efficiency (H&E) a UK nudist magazine has been using nude models in their magazines for years. Originally they were primarily female models, but they now tend to have a pretty even cross-section. This magazine has constantly come under attack from various naturist organisations claiming that its more soft-porn than an advertisement for naturism. You might want to grab a copy and decide for yourself.
There website is: http://www.healthandefficiency.co.uk/
Cheers,
Spontanudity
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StuffedTiger
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Posted - 11/13/2003 : 02:08:29 AM
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Originally posted by melissastarr
...snip... From visiting nudist message boards, talking to other nudists via e-mail and private messages, and attending a nudist swim, it seems that there are far more male nudists than female. ...snip...
This is both a marketing issue and a product issue IMHO. (By product, I mean the activities and settings offered for participation at a fee.)
I am reminded of the impact of "setting" every time I go into my local Acme Foods, which is totally oriented to the women food shopper. For a man, it is like accidently going into the ladies room. My wife, who feels comfortable shopping there, thinks I'm nuts.
At the nudist swim, was the decor, welcome, comforts, support, and so on done the way a women would like them done? Did they have flowers in the locker room? Was there appropriate background music. Were they celebrating birthdays? New friends?
At nudist facilities where activities are more family oriented and the safety issues eliminated, there seem to be a good mix of women and men, as you might expect. Public beaches and other spots where local nudist organizations provide an area safe and entertaining for families also seem to have plenty of women.
On-line, men have far outnumbered women until recently. We would expect on-line activities to be more oriented to men. As more sites relevant to women come on-line, the number of women on-line is rapidly rising. This board seems to me to be a good example of one that is more woman friendly. That's important.
As for marketing, most textiles have no idea what Nudism is. How can they know if they would like it? The AANR and the NEF are doing something about that on a National scale, but the real work needs to be done locally, personally.
If we had affordable, meaningful, near-by activities all year for nudists in the different age categories and marketed and ran them well, Nudism would explode. While there might not be much profit in dollars, the benefits to the society we are building for the future would be enormous.
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vealj
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Posted - 11/14/2003 : 5:30:33 PM
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Spotanudity: Health and Efficiency (H&E) a UK nudist magazine has been using nude models in their magazines for years. Originally they were primarily female models, but they now tend to have a pretty even cross-section. This magazine has constantly come under attack from various naturist organisations claiming that its more soft-porn than an advertisement for naturism. You might want to grab a copy and decide for yourself.
You are right there Spontanudity. I subscribed to H&E for awhile until I got tired of the "cheescake" models who weren't naturists or nudists or anything in between but were there to sell the magazine off the racks to men. Now that Mark Nesbit is editor this magazine really is a good representative of naturism both in the U.K and elsewhere. I recommend it.
Still, IMHO, you could fill every nudist magazine and publication in the world with pictures of nudist men and you wouldn't attract many more women to the movement than we have now. If anyone can figure the reason why that is, my hat (and everything else) is off to them!)
Take care and ...
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Kimberly
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Posted - 11/15/2003 : 03:51:33 AM
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I do not think most women will go out of their way to see naked men, like men do. I am not talking for all women, and I do know some women that are like that. Sponatnudity you are right about the the safety issue. I would never go to a nude beach or club by myself, and I think single women feel that they are "fair game", if they go nude.
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melissastarr
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Posted - 11/15/2003 : 08:06:44 AM
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I definitely don't go out of my way to see naked men- I go out of my way NOT to see them. I dunno, I guess I just don't want to see yet. But men do? I guess this doesn't completely surprise me. Regardless, I plan on hitting Sandy Hook next summer and if I have to go alone, so be it. I'm pretty spunky and assertive, so if I have to 'take care' of any wayward men, I'll do it. Perhaps I'll meet a nudist buddy before next summer, though, so I'll have a friend to go with me.
Melissa
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irishred
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Posted - 11/15/2003 : 08:23:05 AM
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melissa, i go to sandy hook. It's a nice beach with generally nice & friendly people. There are other women who go there alone. They are not bothered. I have sat near women who were alone. If someone starts a conversation with the woman, and the woman does not want to pursue it, the guys do leave. Plus, there are regulars there on the beach who look out for each other and for the single women.
So, you'll be able to go alone and truly enjoy yourself.
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