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mialove
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 Posted - 04/17/2008 : 4:18:29 PM
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every nude picture that had ever been taken of me has been tastefull and non-sexual. porn is when you're engaging in a sexual act. the pictures that are taken of me at nudist events are simply me sans clothes doing things that anyone would do with clothes.
i hope that helps :)
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aquizinaga
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Posted - 04/18/2008 : 3:00:26 PM
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well here is my 2 cents on the topic... having read all the posts, just retuning from my Dad, (I was having him go through some of very old photos of family members who I didnt know... some photos were from the early 1920s & 30s...) Sorry back to my 2 cents..
I remember as a young kid taking my Dad's National Geograpic Magazines and looking at the topless native girls in there. To me that was EXCITING ! BACK THEN.... Now today, I still enjoy viewing the nude body, but not as a sexual means but because there is nothing more beautiful then what God has created. Because I have been a nudist for over 20 years, and have viewed so many nude bodies (both male and female of all ages), there is absolutely no sexual thrill in it. We are just capturing a brief moment in our naturist lifestyle to help remember what we were doing at that time. Just like taking photos of weddings, School Graduations, New House, New family member(baby), Birthdays etc, etc. It is strickly the mind set of those who are viewing the photos as to whether they will be seen as innicent or sexually gratiphing. As far as posting photos of yourself on the internet... That has to be a personal choice. I have posted many of photos of myself only, on various Nudist sites. They are there to show me camping or hiking ect. and if one wants to view people living the naturist life then they can. HOWEVER... I do not post my true identity other then my real first name because I dont want family members doing a search on our last name and finding me naked for all to see. I am not ready to tell them yet. A few know and some very close friends know but non of them are nudists and have honored privaticy. I would not post photos of others nor would I want others to repost photos of me without asking me first. All the photos I had of my exgirlfriend (who started me into nudism) I gave back to her. Our chapter is closed so no need to hang onto them.
Well thats my 2 cents..... It is strickly a personal choice.
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Posted - 04/18/2008 : 7:55:38 PM
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Two things to consider:
a) Allycat-Yes, you are correct that a person must ask for your permission if they want to take your photos and you would be justifyably upset if it was taken otherwise.
b) Mialove-You bring up an interesting point that an image taken while two people are engaged in a sex act is porn, but consider how a subject is posed, their facial expression and if its an abstract image-how is that part of the body being displayed.
I have also seen alot of images (graduate of a photography school in 1995), and at times the boundaries can be blurred. While the cliche "What is art to one person is another" maybe true, the problem is that there are images that are clearly pornographic and if 100 people were surveyed-99 would say porn and 1 would say its not. So which is it?
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papabare
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Posted - 04/19/2008 : 07:51:45 AM
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Being a photographer, yes I have taken nude photos :) And no it's not porn :) I have been to a few resorts that have 'Camera Days', I have also had talks with some local resorts and clubs about setting up photo sessions (some not initiated by me :), and some members of our local club have contacted me about doing some, clothed and not.
I agree with clubs not allowing cameras, even though I have issues with it. I would LOVE to be able to be like everyone else and be able to take pictures of my family vacations, both at zoos/attractions/etc, as well as at our campgrounds/pol/etc. While I can do that at the attractions, I am left with just fading memories of the camps. I can't show my now 8 year old son pictures of us at his favorite camps, nor share with friends our fun.
BUT, with the way our society is, I would rather not have those memories, than have some ^$#( come to my favorite clubs and then post pictures of my son or daughter or friends children all over the internet for people that see naturism as anything But innocent. There are already enough &^$#$ that sneak pictures of kids @ disney/waterparks/etc (I did a search a long time ago to get ready for a disney trip, ran across a site that had hidden camera pics of girls in line, WTF?!?).
So, while I hate the idea of not being able to capture the memories of a lifetime, I hate more the idea that someone with bad intentions captures them.
My .02
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Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk.
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"What spirit is so empty and blind, that it cannot recognize the fact that the foot is more noble than the shoe, and skin more beautiful that the garment with which it is clothed?" - Michaelangelo
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Cookie
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Posted - 04/19/2008 : 08:17:00 AM
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I know when we take pictures, it is generally when our "group" of nudist friends get together for a party, whether it would be Valentines, St.Patricks, etc.
99% of the group is invloved in the picture taking, and started a scrap book many years ago, and it brings back many great moments, and we are able to remember our friends who have been laid to rest.
Remember we are here for a short time, so let's have a great time!!!
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Little Fellow
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Posted - 05/05/2008 : 12:33:07 PM
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I think that there is a clear difference between nudist photos and porn and that simple non sexual pictures of nude people is perfectly fine. However, I am a closet nudist because my job as a teacher (at a secondary boys school!) and scout leader. Both deal with sex mad pubecent boys and i cannot imagine the grief i would get if they found any nude pictures of me! (Why I dont have an avatar) I have no problem with nude photos but i couldn't risk it.
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sailormandave
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Posted - 08/02/2008 : 6:43:26 PM
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I do a fair bit of photography and spent some time doing art nudes. I don't think they are at all pornographic, but I think it's hard to define the difference between art and porn objectively. Feel free to judge for yourself at the link below. Note, none of them are currently for sale, but you are free to view them.
About Release: I'd also like to clarify what I think are a few misperceptions about release. A release doesn't necessarily mean a photographer can do anything with an image. A release can say images can be used for some purposes and not others. For example, you can say they can be used as art prints, for portfolio purposes, but not for advertising. Equally as important in my opinion is to give some thought to the photographer you work with. Some ways I recommend to find a photographer with the right outlook are to check out modelmayhem.com, onemodelplace and craigslist. Post an ad on craigslist. You'll be surprised how many talented photographers do art nudes, but don't advertise that fact. Always look at a photographer's portfolio. This will give you an idea of what kinds of images they like to create and how they are likely to use them. Another thing to think about is getting a license agreement. Remember the photographer (In U.S. and many other countries) owns copyright, for you as a model to have rights to use the images as you wish, you need get permission from the photographer in the form of a usage license. (Although, a photographer giving you images probably means it is implied that you have permission to use them for personal use.) Also realize that to certain extents, both license agreements and releases do not need to be in writing but can be verbal or even implied. This is one of the reasons, I recommend both agreements are in writing. It eliminates any question about what is being "implied" in the shoot.
www.artphotosforsale.com/bodyshots
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ultrahd
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Posted - 08/03/2008 : 10:18:03 PM
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nude pics and porn have nothing in common ! i have no problems with having nude pics taken as long as everyone agrees,i do get pics of the different nude beaches i go to.last time i went to haulover beach a group of girls ask if i could get a pic of them,it was there first time at a nude beach and wanted proof of it,so i took there pic,they then ask me if they could get pic of me with some of them,ok with me ! we had a great time getting pics with each other,they were just us naked at the beach !!!
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blackrebel
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Posted - 08/04/2008 : 07:40:28 AM
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I used to shoot up to about 2 years ago and my money maker was boudoir and nudes for the everyday woman for their other half. http://unseenyou.bravehost.com/
Funny how people can become comfortable when unclothed and have their eyes opened when placed in mixed gender company when they thought the opposite.
Once I start shooting again I plan on doing a project called 'Naked Cleveland' which will be images of everyday people across the city of Cleveland, such as walking in a warehouse district or downtown area.
No shame
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balataf
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Posted - 08/04/2008 : 4:03:09 PM
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Aquizinaga has a very valid point in that today's photos of the young become half-remmbered shots of those who were once young, but don't quite look like that anymore. I have a good-sized box full of photos of people that no one now alive can remember, even if the names are written on htem.
As to nudity, it is a question of personality mostly. Is great-aunt Elizabeth, at 79, comfortable with the picture of herself skinnydipping 62 years ago? Or would she rather forget that it happened? It can be very subjective, and I have heard of some elderly who, over the years, destroyed every picture of themselves that they could control.
Healthy attitudes today promote healthy attitudes about yestereday.
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acoustixman
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Posted - 10/31/2008 : 8:21:47 PM
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I was on a solo naked hike outing this past summer, coursing about 3/4 of Mt. Charleston's North Loop trail (just outside of Las Vegas). I had started at around 05:00 in the fleeting light of dawn on a Thursday, but was bound to bump into other hikers on the way back from my brisk 6-hour hike. I did in fact encounter (among others) a cheerful young woman who seemed at first surprised (duh), and then delighted (cool!) upon having met me. She asked if she could take my picture and I was frankly flattered to immediately oblige. Her camera surely saw every last detail of the front of my body. Unfortunately I neglected to consider that she could have emailed me a copy, so we didn't exchange any contact information (I thought it would seem like a come-on at the time, which I did NOT want to do). Still, I can't imagine ever regretting the experience or the knowledge that it is somewhere out there on record, other than in not having my own copy. I actually think it would be neat to see myself on flickr eventually, so I check upon occasion and I've posted about the "missed connection" in Craigslist on the off chance. That photo would clearly be of an "anonymous subject" so maybe that's a source of my comfort with having such a photo potentially at large. No one seeing it will mistake me for a porn model. Of that much I am quite sure.
Now, whether or not that friendly woman decides to keep it to herself, but is somehow highly attracted to me through it, perhaps even to the point of eroticism, suddenly it is more like porn to her; I may have fed by chance right into a well-established collection of nude male photo skeletons in her closet for all I can imagine. The possibility that a woman could be masturbating right now to a picture I thought was fully matter-of-fact evokes the notion that "what is porn" is a very highly subjective classification. I'm not trying to say she should be, nor that anyone would really feel the need upon seeing MY body, just that opinions vary and the question has no simple answer.
Recently I've taken another step in positive self-image; I've been taking nudes of myself with the camera timer (I don't wish to assume anyone has the patience to shoot my naked poses). Mostly for my own benefit; I am a fitness buff (pun intended) and self-critique is fairly important, so there's some of that involved. I also use the photos to consider what someone would see upon meeting me on a hiking trail, etc. Largely I'm trying to avoid developing complacence through failing to recognize what my nakedness might look like to another human being, all the while that it becomes increasingly commonplace in my own mind.
I actually find myself quite entertained by the pictures, certainly more so than I thought I'd be. I've taken some that are erotic also, but I would never post them or share them. With erotic self-contact or unrealistically or intentionally exaggerated genital conspicuity (my approximate criteria for "what is pornography"), these pictures are for myself and my wife only.
I've been tempted to post one as my profile picture (tiny version currently in transit for my avatar with Admin's assistance), but I don't want to seem like 'one of those' or whatever. I just want to proclaim to all my deep personal love for clothing abstinence, to the frankly forseeable end of others being able to realize it's really not 'all that' to be concerned about.
Seeking my role in opening the eyes of the world to the simple harmless pleasure of being naked in our great outdoors.
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sailawaybob
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Posted - 11/15/2008 : 12:38:25 AM
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I have a nude photo album of me and family over the past twenty years or so at clubs, home, camping-fishing or hiking. Every once in a while i'll pull it out and remmenise .
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Atomic01
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Posted - 02/06/2009 : 08:29:15 AM
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Nude photography can be pornographic, but is not necessarily. A lot comes down to the composition of the image, and the intention. A reclining nude woman with one hand over the pubic area, gazing seductively into the camera could be classed as glamour/pornography, but a similar picture, lit in a different way, with the model's facial expression being more innocent certainly wouldn't be classed as pornography.
As a figure nude model, I can tell you there is not one image in my portfolio that could be classed as pornography, but a high proportion of them are nude. Done well, nude photography is art.
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Warmskin
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Posted - 02/06/2009 : 4:03:32 PM
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It's only pornographic if it degrades people, or if they were coerced into having their likeness taken in a photo.
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Maple Leaf
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Posted - 02/25/2009 : 9:45:08 PM
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Helloo all...
This may have been put out already, bu I just wanted to put my two cents in. I was on som other sites about naturism, and they had a list of members along with their profile pics. There were some that had pictures of their penises for their avatars. That was way over the line in my opinion. In my view, any picture that emphasizes the person, activity, or setting is appropriate; however when the message of the photo is "Look at me, I'm nude!", or emphasizes genitals then that's where it turns into exhibitionism.
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