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FireProf
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 Posted - 01/26/2014 : 01:14:55 AM
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... but one has to ask; "is there a reason why NAC/TNS are not supporting this wholeheartedly?" To answer that quite simply ... it's that NAC has their own way of working toward getting what this petition is hoping to do. NAC is not some "fly the seat of their pants organization." They understand the workings of government, lobbyists, legislators ... they have been working for many years to try and get things done, people to listen, bills stopped that threaten our way of life ... they aren't just sitting on their butts and doing nothing. Maybe we don't know what they know.
It takes much more than a petition signing to get any of this stuff implemented. Just because a petition is signed by 10's of thousands of people ... doesn't automatically mean that whatever they petitioners want ... is going to happen. That's just not being realistic.
All this banter on here and on other sites about what AANR is doing, not doing, NAC/TNS ... what they are or are not doing ... is that getting anymore signatures? The steam has run out of this drive and it's too bad but ... it's NOT AANR's/GAT's, TNS/ or NAC's fault.
I will agree ... what is at fault here is that our two orgs don't like to do anything together. It's not the "org's" fault ... WE ARE THE Organizations, the members. The fault lies with the Presidents and other leaders of both orgs that continue to refuse to work together. What is needed first and foremost is cooperation, mutual respect and collaboration by both sides to work together on ALL aspects of this lifestyle and NOT just what benefits them and their membership dollars.
But then ... how many "members" of either org sent letters to both orgs and stated their disgust with the way things are being done and the fact that they are unwilling to work together? How many here have done that?
WE HAVE!
Loves being naked. Plays well with others!
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free2be
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Posted - 01/26/2014 : 09:24:01 AM
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Good points FP!
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Admin
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Posted - 01/26/2014 : 1:24:16 PM
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My wife and I spent many a year working within AANR to help them achieve their goals. During one meeting at an AANR convention the Exec Director proudly boasted of the good they had done in Maryland through working closely with the Maryland senators. I found it suspicious that the link they provided to listen to the senate session was a bad link. So I researched and found it. It was an eye opener.
It turns out what AANR did was to convince the senators that anything AANR endorsed was kosher, but any nudists meeting without paying their AANR dues should be jailed and fined. I couldn't believe it.
This almost passed. It needed only ONE vote to pass and become law. If that had happened, any TNS gathering or c/o bed-and-breakfast in Maryland could be raided, and everyone organizing them could face a $500 fine and/or 6 months jail time! That'll teach them not to pay AANR!
This is probably one reason certain organizations prefer to work in the shadows.
Of course, there is some danger that if this petition dies without support, it will provide the justification to close more beaches, since the nudists had their chance to speak up and remained silent.
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Bill Bowser
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Posted - 01/26/2014 : 5:21:25 PM
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I've heard similar stories about AANR before. I'd like to think they're not true, but where there is so much smoke there must be at least a little fire. I'm sure our national organizations must accomplish some good for our cause, but I don't believe there is so much as one new acre of public land that was designated for nude recreation in the last fifty years. I think there is ample evidence that they are incapable of doing what needs to be done. While other movements, like civil rights, women's rights, and gay rights, have made enormous progress during the last few decades, we nudists have lost ground. Our rights to use beaches, which is at the whim of bureaucrats or politicians, have been rescinded or are threatened almost everywhere. Those that are still available to us are always the most remote and almost inaccessible.
I know of no public land that is designated for nude recreational use where naturists can hike, backpack, camp or otherwise enjoy the outdoors without fear of being fined or incarcerated because their lack of attire offends some bigot.
We shouldn't tolerate this sort of treatment, but because we're afraid to admit to our friends, neighbors, or whoever, that we enjoy being nude we accept second class citizenship. Our national organizations have demonstrated they are incapable of improving our situation. We must either create another organization or change the ones we have. Otherwise we are doomed.
I thought this petition would spark a little activism and create some enthusiasm among us naturists and like-minded people, but there seems to be an insurmountable amount of apathy. Years ago I developed a theorem which seems appropriate: there are always ample reasons to reject any proposed course of action.
There are no problems which are too big to ignore.
Wake up everybody, so you can watch our clothing optional beaches disappear.
Bill Bowser - Cincinnati
Nudists are everywhere, but they're hard to identify with their clothes on.
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FireProf
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Posted - 01/26/2014 : 7:01:30 PM
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The thing to remember is ... ALL those that are aware, ALL those that aren't concerned about signing this petition ... have read this thread and others and have signed it. Those that haven't signed it ... won't sign it and regrettably ... it's a done deal.
As I stated and as Admin has stated ... I fear that with such poor planning ... this petition will have a reverse effect and people, people that look at these things, like this petition, will come to the conclusion that there really is very little desire from society to have clothing optional ... anything.
Loves being naked. Plays well with others!
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baie rouge nudists
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Posted - 01/27/2014 : 8:24:49 PM
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I counted up those votes from the NYC metro area. I believe over a hundred signed so far. Is Long Island Travasuns aware of the petition? We'd love to hear from members from NYC and Long Island here on the board either on the forum or PM and see what they may think may happen with the status of Lighthouse, Kismet, and Smith Point west. Keep voting everyone! We've got a lot to lose.
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MrsAzLagoon
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Posted - 01/29/2014 : 01:26:08 AM
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Just read a post from Felicity Jones of YNA...she is a leader of that group. It said:
"I just talked to yet another reporter about nudists' numbers dwindling. Her evidence was the public lands petition that's "not doing well."
(I told her nudism dying out is the myth that won't die.)"
Now THAT was a surprise...the media picking up the "petition" from the negative of not getting the 100,000 signatures...not. Fragmented approach to trying to get things done will never work. Good thought, but poor execution.
Enjoy the sunshine!
MrsAZLagoon-AKA C-OHome
www.ClothingOptionalHomeNetwork.com
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Pelican58
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Posted - 02/01/2014 : 11:45:31 PM
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I signed it. Its listed under the catagory of "Civil Rights". Then scrowl down a bit. Youll see it.
The sadest part of being a nudist is putting clothes on to enter the textile world.
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