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 Posted - 07/09/2002 : 4:29:10 PM
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What are the laws in your area concerning nudity and children?
In some states, the participation of children in family nudism is not favored in certain jurisdictions, like state parks. Do you know which places have stricter rules?
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Cheri
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Posted - 04/08/2003 : 12:36:41 PM
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The only one that I can think of off the top of my head is Hippy Hollow, MacGreggor Park, Austin area, TX. Those under the age of 18 are not allowed.
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Posted - 04/08/2003 : 8:28:01 PM
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COMMENTARY: DIVORCE, CHILDREN & NUDISM (this is from an attorney):
Many people believe it is harmful for children to see others in the nude or for them to be nude in the presence of others. Objective studies by several well-qualified professionals clearly indicate this is not the case. Unfortunately, intuitive belief often rules even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. The perseverance of this belief can have tragic and devastating results when a marriage dissolves, and one partner wishes to participate in nudism with his or her children.
There are a rash of cases around the country where participation in nudism has become an issue regarding custody and visitation with children. Ironically, many of these include situations where both spouses participated in nudism prior to the break up. The usual scenario is that one parent participates in a nudist event with the children, the other learns of it and seeks legal intervention. Many judges, having little knowledge of nudism, will take the "safe" way out and prohibit the children's participation in nudism. Worst case scenarios include changes in custody, ordering of supervised or other limitations on visitation, Social Services intervention, and possible criminal abuse charges.
"They can't do that" you say! Regrettably, the practical response is: "How much justice can you afford?" We believe that in a well- presented case with really good experts before an open minded judge, the nudist view could prevail. To accomplish this would cost many thousands of dollars. The emotional cost of what is likely to be a long, bitter fight are incalculable. The national organizations may provide some assistance, but it remains likely that the individual would still bear most, if not all, of the financial burden.
What is one to do? The choices are not good. Unless one is prepared for an extraordinary fight, the only answer is that a separated spouse should never take children to a nudist event without the express consent of the other. Express means just that - clear, unequivocal, and positive permission for the children to participate in nudism.. "I told her I was going to a nudist club, and she didn't say anything" is not sufficient. If there is any doubt, either get written permission or do not include the children.
The Travelites are very concerned about this issue. The concern is not only for any member directly involved but for the club as a whole. The repercussions from a bad case can extend beyond those directly involved. One could be questioned under oath about everyone who was present at a given event. An officer of the club might be subpoenaed and ordered to produce the entire membership records. This has not been a problem at a Travelites event, but in the event of a separation, we would be extremely reluctant to permit children to attend without assurance that both spouses consented.
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Posted - 04/08/2003 : 8:33:35 PM
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Please read the following sources for further research:
Marilyn Story, in the Journal of Psychology, Vol. 118, first Half, Sept. 1984
"Comparisons of Body Self-Concept between Social Nudists & Nonnudists"
Marilyn Story, in Jour. of Social Psychology, 1979, 108, 49-56 "Factors Associated w/More Positive Body Self-Concepts in Preschool children"
Robin Lewis & Louis Janda, in The Relationship Between Adult Sexual Adjustment & Childhood Experiences Regarding Exposure to Nudity, Sleeping in the Parental Bed, & Parental Attitudes Toward Sexuality, Arch. of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 17, No.4, 1988
Marilyn Story in "A Comparison of Social Nudists & Non-nudists on Experience w/Various Sexual Outlets"
Journ. of Sex Research, Vol. 23, No. 2, pp 197-211, May 1987
Thanks to Cheri for the above citations!
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interest23
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Posted - 03/02/2004 : 11:40:10 PM
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for all those who have children who partake in the nudist community,does it tend to have an impact on there social behavior and other interations in public places.
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Cheri
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Posted - 03/03/2004 : 7:45:57 PM
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interest23, Those children who grow up in a nudist household have a lower rate of teen pregnancy. They don't have to "play doctor" to see what the other sex looks like. They have fewer body image problems in their teen years. Nudist children, for whatever reason, seem to be better behaved. Is this what you were asking?
Regards, Cheri
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rai_linga
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 2:27:41 PM
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Originally posted by Cheri
interest23, Those children who grow up in a nudist household have a lower rate of teen pregnancy. They don't have to "play doctor" to see what the other sex looks like. They have fewer body image problems in their teen years. Nudist children, for whatever reason, seem to be better behaved. Is this what you were asking?
Regards, Cheri
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I would take issue on your implication that children engaging in sex play learning (i.e. "playing doctor") is something that is better avoided and, also, that it doesn't occur so frequently in nudist surroundings. The appendix of "Growing Up Without Shame" (a book on social nudity by Dennis Crai Smith) cites research showing that sex play is much more prevalent in the social nudism environment. And this certainly comports with logic ---i.e. if a little girl sees a little boys penis, or a little boy notices a little girl has a vagina, it would go against all that has been learned about children's boundless curiosity to assume that there would be no desire to explore that difference.
But the good news is that the powerful new natural science of the human mind, Evolutionary Psychology, gives peer sex play and nudity the green light. I invite you to read that chapter entitled "The Natural Child" in the book, "The Paleolithic Prescription" by Dr. Melvin Konner (producer of the 5 part series "Childhood" for public television a few years back) and Marjorie Shostack (noted anthropolotist and author of "Nisa: Portrait of a Kung Woman" ---by the way, this is another great book describing a growing girls natural development of her sexuality). The book that first "enlightened" me to the value of sex play (devoting 2 chapters to "natural childhood") is "Exiles From Eden: Psychotherapy from the Evolutionary Perspective" by Kalman Glantz.
Our cultures own fixation with child sex play deprivation has even been linked to the unfortunate development of pedophilia in males (See "Pedophilia: Biosocial Dimensions" by Jay Feierman). I could forward to you other research suggesting that sex play between child peers before puberty acts as an "insulation" against development of perversion in males, against development of anorexia and eating disorders in females, and that it acts to decrease the likelihood of children resorting to violent behavior. Children who "learn to love" before they learn to hate are emotionally healthier. (Of course, corporal punishment of children also has a big impact on their likelihood to resort to violence. Again, if we tolerate children's exploration of their body pleasure, and do not inflict body pain on them, basic evolutionary pain/pleasure motivational systems will assure that love will more often triumph over aggression in their behavioral learning programs.)
Dr. Dale
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 4:40:45 PM
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it is encouraging to read that there aer academic backups to what many of us have seen over the years and felt instinctively was true.
plus i find nudist children normal, but generally with better manners and better behaved.
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 11:35:44 PM
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I have to say I have seen nudist children acting just like clothed children. I have seen the good and bad in both clothing choices. But I must agree with the healthy body image etc. And I havnt seen the 'Extreme' temper tantrums, attention ganthering, lashing out kind of behaviors from any naturist child that I do see other places.
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Posted - 05/23/2004 : 07:45:40 AM
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Welcome to the forum rai_linga. Yhanks for you informative post. I have three teenagers that were raised as nudists, even though neither their father or I were. My kids are normal, and do the normal things other kids do. The one thing I have noticed is they do not have the obsession about sex and nudity that other non nudist kids do. They did have questions about sex and nudity, but those questions were easily answered. I have also observed other kids at nudist clubs and have come to the conclusion that kids raised as nudists tend to be better behaved, and more well adjusted than non nudist families. In my 18 years of being a nudist, I have yet to hear of a case of child molestation by a nudist family. I am not saying that it hasn't happened, I am just saying I am not as aware of it as I am of non nudist families.
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Dusty Wake
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Posted - 11/07/2004 : 01:49:32 AM
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Same topic different situation.
My wife has heard and is afraid that if there is nudity in the home that her 7 yo granddaughter, whom she has full custody of, could be taken away by Washington State Child Protective Services. I do practice nudity in the home but not wantly infront of the girl. If I am caught, I do cover asap. How serious of a legal issue is this in my state?
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Cheri
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Posted - 11/07/2004 : 11:36:48 AM
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Dusty, Your wife has full custody of the granddaughter so there "shouldn't" be any problem with a nudist household. If her biological parents hear of it and let it be known, there might be problem.
http://www.nac.oshkosh.net/StatesFrames/state_laws_and_legislation.html
is where you can find all state laws.
For your convenience I've posted Washington states' here:
RCW 9A.88.010 Indecent exposure.
(1) A person is guilty of indecent exposure if he intentionally makes any open and obscene exposure of his person or the person of another knowing that such conduct is likely to cause reasonable affront or alarm.
(2) Indecent exposure is a misdemeanor unless such person exposes himself to a person under the age of fourteen years in which case indecent exposure is a gross misdemeanor on the first offense and, if such person has previously been convicted under this subsection or of a sex offense as defined in RCW 9.94A.030, then such person is guilty of a class C felony punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW.
[NAC NOTE: The state of Washington has used this statute to arrest and prosecute persons for nude sunbathing.]
RCW 9A.88.120
Additional fee assessments.
(1)(a) In addition to penalties set forth in RCW 9A.88.010, 9A.88.030, and 9A.88.090, a person who is either convicted or given a deferred sentence or a deferred prosecution as a result of an arrest for violating RCW 9A.88.010, 9A.88.030, 9A.88.090, or comparable county or municipal ordinances shall be assessed a fifty dollar fee.
(b) In addition to penalties set forth in RCW 9A.88.110, a person who is either convicted or given a deferred sentence or a deferred prosecution as a result of an arrest for violating RCW 9A.88.110 or a comparable county or municipal ordinance shall be assessed a one hundred fifty dollar fee.
(c) In addition to penalties set forth in RCW 9A.88.070 and 9A.88.080, a person who is either convicted or given a deferred sentence or a deferred prosecution as a result of an arrest for violating RCW 9A.88.070, 9A.88.080, or comparable county or municipal ordinances shall be assessed a three hundred dollar fee.
(2) The court may not suspend payment of all or part of the fee unless it finds that the person does not have the ability to pay.
(3) When a minor has been adjudicated a juvenile offender for an offense which, if committed by an adult, would constitute a violation under this chapter or comparable county or municipal ordinances, the court shall assess the fee as specified under subsection (1) of this section. The court may not suspend payment of all or part of the fee unless it finds that the minor does not have the ability to pay the fee.
(4) Any fee assessed under this section shall be collected by the clerk of the court and distributed each month to the state treasurer for deposit in the prostitution prevention and intervention account under RCW 43.63A.740 for the purpose of funding prostitution prevention and intervention activities.
RCW 10.31.100
Arrest without warrant.
A police officer having probable cause to believe that a person has committed or is committing a felony shall have the authority to arrest the person without a warrant. A police officer may arrest a person without a warrant for committing a misdemeanor or gross misdemeanor only when the offense is committed in the presence of the officer, except as provided in subsections (1) through (10) of this section.
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(7) Any police officer having probable cause to believe that a person has committed or is committing any act of indecent exposure, as defined in RCW 9A.88.010, may arrest the person.
Regards, Cheri
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Posted - 11/07/2004 : 12:41:00 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by rai_linga
"if a little girl sees a little boys penis, or a little boy notices a little girl has a vagina, it would go against all that has been learned about children's boundless curiosity to assume that there would be no desire to explore that difference."
Dr. Dale
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I agree completely with your thinking. I would not presume to challenge your professional opinion, but I have two points I'd like to make about the curiosity issue.
First, in an open nudist setting, a huge burden of shame on the children is made non-existant. Therefore, natural exploration would likely not get out of control. Questions could be asked, explanations be given and sights could be seen without anyone being uncomfortable.
Second, It follows that those young children become teens. And I think that they may be better adjusted sexually than most textile youth. I've heard many times that the rate of teen pregnancy and promiscuity amoung nudists is far below what it is in general society. If that is true, it would seem to me that the reason is that the casual nature of their nudity means that they don't have a goal in life to get each other naked for entertainment. Situations that might occur with these better adjusted teens are more likely to be inspired by emotion rather than lust.
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Posted - 11/07/2004 : 5:32:43 PM
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Talking about sex play amongst young children, the prevelance is probably the same between textile and nudist peers. The big difference would be the reaction of the parents, which is as important as the actual play. Nudist parents will not have any problem with two children playing naked. They can easily talk to the children about their play and can answer any questions.
Textile parents may have a tendency to react negatively upon seeing two children playing naked. This negative reaction is what they remember most. They may be more likely to get a "lecture" from the parent rather than a dialogue.
Many parents see sex play as something bad when it is, in fact, an important part of growing up.
As for whether sex play leads to a decrease in the likelihood of pedophilia, I would have to disagree.
Dusty, how did your wife gain full custody of her granddaughter? And do you also have full custody or is she your step-granddaughter? Where did she hear that the girl could be taken away from her? This would be something to contact your custody lawyer or some other lawyer who deals only with child custody arrangements. Household nudity should not be a good enough reason to remove the girl from your house.
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 11/07/2004 : 7:15:48 PM
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I'm not sure I'd equate a young child's curiosity about the differences between the sexes to sex play. Playing naked together or even wondering about each others' make-up isn't the same as sexual contact.
Randy
P.S. Sorry Admin, I feel us drifting off topic a bit. Probably my fault.
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Dusty Wake
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Posted - 11/07/2004 : 10:13:26 PM
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Thank you Cheri for your quick reply. It seems that paranoia has taken over the wife. If I pursue this life style, I'll do it single. Thanks for your support.
DW
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