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Warmskin
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 Posted - 12/23/2008 : 2:16:20 PM
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The teachings of Jesus and how Christians live today can often be two different things altogether, and with emphasis on "the altogether." People get hung up on sin, and some seem to find sin in the most unlikely places. Christianity is freeing when put into true practice, but simple, sublime precepts, over time can be adulterated to the point they scarcely represent their actual origins.
The same can be said about a mountain spring, with its pure water. As time goes along with the flow of this water, it gets polluted and muddied, until no one will drink from it. So it is with religions. I can only speak for the teachings of Jesus, though.
Happily, nudism finds support in the teachings of Jesus:
"And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin, yet I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these."
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson
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Posted - 12/23/2008 : 2:32:41 PM
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Well said, Warmskin :)
If you don't like my profile picture, then use whiteout on your monitor.
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FlCpl4NewdFun
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Posted - 12/23/2008 : 5:01:53 PM
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Originally posted by Warmskin
The teachings of Jesus and how Christians live today can often be two different things altogether, and with emphasis on "the altogether." People get hung up on sin, and some seem to find sin in the most unlikely places. Christianity is freeing when put into true practice, but simple, sublime precepts, over time can be adulterated to the point they scarcely represent their actual origins.
The same can be said about a mountain spring, with its pure water. As time goes along with the flow of this water, it gets polluted and muddied, until no one will drink from it. So it is with religions. I can only speak for the teachings of Jesus, though.
Happily, nudism finds support in the teachings of Jesus:
"And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin, yet I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these."
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson
Warmskin - I'm with you on all that, I really am. But you need to make sure when quoting scripture you don't take it out of context and mislead people into thinking it's something it's not.
That is from the book of Matthew 6:25-34 and has NOTHING to do with supporting nudism NOTHING. You know darn well that passage is about worrying, and more specifically worrying about money and providing for one's self and family. It teaches followers not to worry because if they seek God, not wealth, all those things will be provided by God.
Had you continued the passage, say verse 32: "For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them" You would actually find God is saying we "NEED" them (clothes that is). So actually, it's really about God providing clothes. It's quite a perversion of the scripture to co-opt that to the cause of nudism.
Just like the bad guys try to use the bible against us by taking scripture out of context, let's be careful not to do the same for our own agenda.
Sorry, I don't mean to be a hater, but just keeping it real.
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Posted - 12/26/2008 : 12:04:28 AM
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God created Adam and Eve and they were naked and unashamed, (Gen 2:25)
then God said "This is VERY good." (Gen 1:26-31)
God would not create sin and pronounce it "good" much less "very good".
God commanded Isaiah to preach naked for three years.(Isa 20:1-3)
God would not COMMAND someone to sin.
"Be Naked but don't Sin."
You know—if someone was of a sinful mind, they'd probably have quite a problem adjusting to simple nudity.
In fact, if we could all just be nude, simply nude, all together at one time worldwide, we'd probably see Jesus. Really.
That is, if you believe the Gospel of Thomas Saying 37 is legit.
For more, here's an extended list of the entire 114 Sayings as published by PBS Frontline. Google has some good information in this book excerpt from Telling the Untold Stories.
That first link is great because of the many translations provided. Worldwide naked party, anyone?
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Warmskin
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Posted - 12/26/2008 : 06:17:15 AM
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FlCpl4NewdFun said,
Warmskin - I'm with you on all that, I really am. But you need to make sure when quoting scripture you don't take it out of context and mislead people into thinking it's something it's not.
True, Bible passages can be used for anything. I think my reasoning was that here we have a lilly, and it beautiful all by itself. What would one put on it to make it less shameful? But, is a lilly shameful when uncovered? That is my separate bit of logic. I see that phrase as having multiple meanings. I agree that your take is accurate, but there is another lesson from this in the microcosmic sense, I conceive.
Would Solomon's clothing, it if covered the lilly, make it more lovely? We would say not. I think a person is more than a lilly, just as people are more than the birds that Jesus teaches about. If I am uncovered, and I make no effort to make clothing that I could wear, am I ugly or shameful? I ask that in a deep philosophical basis. I have simply chosen a different axis to base the question.
Jesus preached about hypocrisy among those who wore fancy clothing, but were full of dead men's bones inside. If I wear nothing, and am caring about other people, I think I rank better than do the fancily dressed people. I.e., Jesus placed the emphasis on spiritual beauty, as opposed to the outward beauty of a living creature, as to man's evaluations. Inwardly, or spiritually, I am no different when nude or not. I act, believe, and talk the same way whether adorned with clothing, or with just the sunshine. God knows our hearts, and our motivations are called into question. If my motivation is kindly, caring, and loving toward others, the latest fashions won't make me better off, or more beautiful.
As far as sin goes, I find that organic Christian teachings, and nudism render me as close to what Jesus' teachings would have me be - a simple sheep of his flock, in harmony with the world around me. That may seem hard to grasp for some readers because it sounds overly idealistic, but if one has no ideals, then do one know where they are headed or what are shooting for? That is not directed at you FlCpl4NewdFun, but just as grist for the public mill, in general.
My thesis is to cause a different kind of viewpoint, wherein we make Jesus' teachings our own, and then minimize the artificial virtue of being clothed. Purity of heart, and aversion toward fanciful textile supplements both fashion my outlook on nudism. That is the standard to which I repair.
In no way do I ever want to sully the teachings of Jesus. That would go against everthing spiritual that I hold dear.
Thank you very much for your input!!
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson
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Posted - 08/01/2011 : 9:47:17 PM
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if you change the way you look at things. the things you look at change
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