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old hippie
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 Posted - 11/21/2006 : 1:03:21 PM
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Looks like the European culture is far more suited to encouraging young citizens to endorse freedom than the US is. Frredom from clothing, that is.
Perhaps in a few generations, all the naturists will live on the Continent.
Dum vivimus, vivamus!
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 11/21/2006 : 2:33:55 PM
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Although the United States is quite backwards at times in reference to nudity..there has been a rise in younger nudists over the past few years. Our oldest daughter is 19 and I would say she has more nudist friends her age than both my husband and I do, and we have a lot! Our 2 younger girls 16,12 also have sevceral nudist friends and the ones that arent are "nude friendly". Back when I was there age it would be unheard of for there to be large groups of younger nudists. Personnaly I always had nudist friends throughout my life, but I was practically raised at a nudist club. So I would say I was an exception for the time. Even at our club this past summer there were more younger nudists than ever. Im not sure what is causing the increase in popularity, but Im all for it. For one thing..to all you parents out there....Raise your children with the right attitudes about nudity and we can single handedly create a very large future generation of nudists.
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smoothiecouple
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Posted - 11/21/2006 : 2:49:24 PM
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We are relatively new to nudism...we vacationed at Ventanna Inn in Big Sur and enjoyed the clothing optional pool and japanese spas. We subscribe to an "alternative lifestyle" but have no problem separating the two entirely different settings. We are having a bit of trouble finding a Nude destination here in the midwest (Indiana) where we feel comfortable enough to spend an entire weekend. We are 35 and 38 and seem to be in that age gap between "20 somethings" and "empty Nesters". The people we meet are very friendly but we seem to have roblems holding a conversation because of the age difference.
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 11/21/2006 : 3:05:37 PM
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That is completely understandable. My husband and I are in our mid 40's..but we consider ourselves to have a "younger attitude" We have friends any where from 30's to 40's..but we honestly dont have much in common with the over 50 crowd ourselves. At 35 and 38 you are sort of in a difficult range. As you are a little too far in life to relate to the 20 somethings and not quite far enough to hang with the 50 year old crowd. Due to the seasonal weather I dont know of too many year round nudist venues in your area. If time and money permits you all should maybe consider a Palm Springs vacation out here in sunny CA. We live about an hour outside Palm Springs and the high temp here was 87 yesterday!! For mid November, not too bad. There are several nudist and?lifestyle resorts in Palm Springs that Im sure would suit your needs.
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Cheri
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Posted - 11/21/2006 : 4:49:32 PM
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Originally posted by smoothiecouple
We are relatively new to nudism...we vacationed at Ventanna Inn in Big Sur and enjoyed the clothing optional pool and japanese spas. We subscribe to an "alternative lifestyle" but have no problem separating the two entirely different settings. We are having a bit of trouble finding a Nude destination here in the midwest (Indiana) where we feel comfortable enough to spend an entire weekend. We are 35 and 38 and seem to be in that age gap between "20 somethings" and "empty Nesters". The people we meet are very friendly but we seem to have roblems holding a conversation because of the age difference.
What clubs/parks have you visited? To see what's within a 200 mile radius, you can visit www.nudistparksusa.net and insert your zip code. Your ages are the mean of many clubs and parks in the Carolinas that I frequent regularly.
The complexion of a nudist park can vary with the day of the week or the season. Give each in your area a try until you find the one and the season that clicks with you.
Cheri
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 11/21/2006 : 6:18:36 PM
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Thats good advice Cheri. Each nudist club does have its own "flavor" and ambiance. Some geared toward familys others might be geared towards the retired crowd. Others maybe suited to a younger party crowd. You just have to find the "niche" that is best for you.
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TomC
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Posted - 01/28/2007 : 9:31:40 PM
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I remember on my first visit to - - in about 1996, I happened to fall into conversation with a 40ish woman who was with a nudist travel agency. She commented that market research indicates that the largest and fastest growing demographic for nudism was ages 40 to 60. Her explanation: people that age don't care as much about what others think as younger people. I think there's something to that -- as someone in his late 50's who has already made my choices about work and marriage and kids, I pretty much know who I am, and I'm not as sensitive about other people's opinions as when I was younger (although I still don't tell people at work about my interest in nudism!). That might also be the reason why more women avoid nudism -- most women seem more sensitive to the opinions of others than most men, although of course there is a lot of overlap.
But a completely different explanation is that the baby boomers of today who make up most of the nudist population came of age during the era of sex, drugs and rock n roll, when its was cool to push the envelope of all kinds of conventional social mores. Maybe we're kind of a demographic bulge traveling through time, and that the average age of nudists will continue to increase until the cultural pendulum swings back toward more liberal attitudes toward the body and self-expression. That's why it was so interesting to read in the NY Times that nude parties are in style at some of the leading universities in the US. These places can be trend setters -- maybe we're headed for a resurgence of interest among young people.
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PABiker
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Posted - 01/29/2007 : 8:39:01 PM
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I think there are 2 major challenges. First, getting the younger folks out, and then not having them kicked out. Advertising will help with the first, but only self discipline will help with the second. I'm not going to try to figure that part out but rahter try to suggest an activity.
Let me propose a wierd idea that has worked for my friends and I in a different situation. Sportbike riders and us harley guys interacted at speeds below 100 mph. First, get them out. Second, give them a fun activity that gets everyone involved together. We've done it on bikes, it should work here. Host an event on a big holiday like July 4th when you have fireworks and such to get people out. Then, make people work together. Try a multi-generational scavenger hunt/questionaire event with a prize, maybe for 1st 2nd and 3rd. Maybe a free year's membership at the club. Imagine the 20 something couple asking a young child for the names of all of the Spongebob characters. Maybe a 60 something couple needs to look at a 20 something couples' Metalica CD for the title and playlist. Maybe the 20 somethings have to ask a 60 something couple for historical info, like past Presidents or such. Lots of people carrying papers and pencils. Fun stuff that doesn't discriminate against fitness levels. But the prizes are key to keeping the younger folks interested. Give people something they can do working with their own age group, but where they have to associate with other age groups to win. Make it fun. Skip volleyball for a day. Get some friendly competition going between the generations. And make it fair so any generation can win. Plenty of questions for each age group. Force people to interact and talk politely toward a common goal (albeit it a competitive one)and maybe you'll see them understand and respect each other more as they get to know each other.
Probably an odd idea, but it jumped into my head and I felt the need to let it out.
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ewell39
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Posted - 02/15/2007 : 04:04:02 AM
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I think many young people today are more interested in the Exhibitionist of nudity. Displaying genitals without panties. Men doing Naked runs in California and Michigan. Kids at colleges and universities doing late nite Naked runs around campusses. Posting themselves Naked on YouTube, etc. But, as they get older I think they will slow down and just appreciate the opportunities to be Naked with their fellow Naked people. Drop us in line in Florida we love hearing all about your current and past nude experiences. ewell39@msn.com
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Posted - 02/15/2007 : 8:12:32 PM
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Messrs. Allen and Gebhardt,
I am a twenty-three year old and have noticed that there's certainly something to the exhibitionist aspect of nudity when there really shouldn't be.
I have never had any nudist friends and my family is not very supportive of my lifestyle choice. In fact, I have to lie to them if I ever go to the beach about what beach I'm going to. Improper English, I know, but bear with me.
I sometimes talk to people at beaches, especially if they kindly let me throw a frisbee with them and usually they're a decade or so older. It's meaningless.
My friends and girlfriends (girlfriends being a very loose interpretation of the word) all know that I have no aversion to nudity. Some compliment me on that fact. I've dated two women at two separate nudist friendly places. (BTW, is Red Rock Beach always so hostile?) However, the only time that the cat's really been out of the bag around a group of friends was when I hosted a party at my college. Please note that nudity is specifically stated as taboo in the housing policy of my former dormitories. One of my failed romantic partners, but good friends, tried to strip me in the middle of the dance floor.
Although I'm fine with nudity, nudity as an exhibition (especially where it is explicitly stated as being illegal) is not okay. However, I think it is an aspect of this college-aged generation. Does anybody have any thoughts about demystifying or de-eroticizing the human body?
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Posted - 02/16/2007 : 11:00:50 AM
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Completely demystifying and de-eroticizing the human body while enjoying nudism is just as bad as those cretins who try to turn social nudity into an orgy or sex club. People need to relax: As long as common sense and courtesy are observed, there's nothing wrong if a nudist gets the occasional twinkle in his or her eye due to enjoying nudism for maybe not the most innocent reasons. In other words, you're going to OCCASIONALLY enjoy seeing a particularly fetching fellow nudist and you're going to OCCASIONALLY be happily aware that you might look really good to other nudists due to a recent bout of dieting or working out. As long as looking and being looked at aren't the driving factors for one being a nudist, I say don't feel guilty and don't feel you have to change. Nudism is supposed to be fun, not angst-ridden!
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NudeAl
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Posted - 02/16/2007 : 8:40:46 PM
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I applaud all of you young nudists. I was always interested in nudism I would often take time to sunbath nude in my own parents backyard. I think for me the courage to take the leap to social nudism came when I got back from the gulf war in 91 I felt that life was too short to not try something I have always wanted to try so I went to Blacks beach and have never looked back since. I wish you all the best in your endeavors to engage other young people in nudism. I hope very much you will succeed we need to generate more interest if we are going to advance our goals of acceptance in mainstream society. Push the envelope don't be afraid now more that ever most of society has found out about nudism and there are far worse things you could be accused of.
The woods are lovely, dark and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep. -- Robert Frost
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Jimmy D
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Posted - 02/17/2007 : 11:51:07 PM
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My heart goes out to you. Im not young, im 40. One the other hand, I like where I go because I play wally-ball most of the night. There was the same problem with a hiking club I belong to and then a few years ago the Young members group was started. The idea was to have hikes that younger people can go on assuming other young members would show while not excluding anyone. The result: If I bring my Godson of 25, he will not be hiking with everyone else being 20 yrs older than him.
It wouldnt hurt to see if one of these clubs would be interested in starting a young nudist night or something.
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Bare Warrior
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 10:17:30 AM
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This is a good discussion and there are some observations I would like to make about how the US is getting more uptight about nudity not less.
1. When I was growing up in North Carolina we were members of the YMCA/YWCA. Men were not allowed in the YWCA and vice versa, even though in th same building, they were separated from each other. Members, male and female, were not allowed to wear any clothing in the indoor pools ie all swimming was in the nude. This was common in many YMCA's. No one thought anything about it in this bible belt community. When I tell people this today they simply don't believe it.
2. When we were in high school everyone was required to "dress out" for gymn and both boys and girls went to their respective locker rooms and changed in communal changing areas. Boys saw boys naked and girls saw girls naked and there were few complaints. Now everyone, boys and girls, have private showers. Nakedness in the shower room is frowned upon.
3. Everyone I know of who lived in the south in the 50s and 60s skinny-dipped and made absolutely no bones about it. In the scouts we always went skinny dipping and at scout camp, skinny-dipping was a scheduled event.
4. There was a time in the Army where everything took place in open bays and that included the bathrooms. There was absolutely no privacy, even when using the toilet. It was considered an important part of the training for several good reasons, which I wont bore you with here. Now everyone has their own private or semi private room and bathroom. This caused lots of problems when we got into combat situations during Desert Storm where men and women had no privacy. But thats another story.
5. Children and young adults today rarely ever get to see nakedness in its natural, proper context. All they get to see is nakedness in sexually perverted contexts.
And don't blame this on religious people. There is plenty of blame on both the left and right in this country for this.
6. While living overseas I saw men and women peeing on the streets of Berlin, its legal. Sauna's are co-ed and nude, Bathroom attendants tend to be women and they "attend" both men and women. There are nude beaches everywhere. People, in stores, change clothes, to include underwear, in public.
Nudity, where it fits the situation, is just not a problem. Sexual nudity is frowned upon just about everywhere.
I think utlyfrog may be on to something. The "free love" generation has become and forced their offspring to become a bunch of prudes.
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Bare Warrior
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 1:52:34 PM
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Bare (no pun intended) with me on this. It’s a little complicated.
I have done a lot of thinking about the comments made on this topic and I have come to a conclusion which you may find interesting. There has been a lot of talk about freedom and supposedly the lack of it in today’s American. The idea is that this lack of freedom is what is hurting the nudism movement.
But could it be that it hasn’t been the lack of freedom, but the irresponsible use of those freedoms, that is the real problem? Could our current problems stem from the “sexual revolution”? Could it be that Nudity = Sex is stronger today than it was before the sexual revolution.
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As I grew up in North Carolina everyone skinny dipped whether in the fish pond or at the beach.. Many people at places like Wrightsville Beach, Holden Beach, Ocean Island, OD, and Myrtle Beach would go “night” swimming. My grandfather was a Baptist Deacon and he went skinny dipping and everyone knew it.
The Greensboro YMCA and YWCA when I lived there in the 1950’s, were separate organization occupying a duplex building. Each had their own indoor swimming pools and both required swimmers to be nude.
In the Boy Scouts skinny dipping was a frequent event, not only in my troop, but at Scout Camp. Skinny Dipping was a scheduled event at the lake front.
In the Army there was no privacy in the barracks. Everyone lived in one large area, the showers were large affairs where 10 people could bath at once, and going to the toilet was a group event. I really hated the communal toilets.
In High School everyone was required to dress out for gym and the changing rooms were open bays.
Sex was a beautiful, special thing which people tried to reserve for marriage, or that special someone, and sex was a private thing.
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Reading this bulletin board, I was shocked at how many people have never skinny-dipped until now.
Communal showers and locker rooms are now dangerous places so everyone has their own private changing area and showers.
Because of all the laws we now have to try and prevent sexual harassment, sexual perversion, and sexual predators, it is dangerous to even let your children run around the house, or backyard in the nude. It may even be illegal.
Even in the Army, soldiers, even those going through basic, have their own semi-private rooms and showers. They share a bathroom with 3 other soldiers.
The only nudity most people see is in the movies or cable or romance novels, or magazines and on the internet, its almost always sexual, and most time perverted, immoral, or violent. Nudity = Sex.
Sex is now for recreation only, has no special meaning, has to be protected and sex within marriage is ridiculed.
Quite frankly I can understand why children today don’t even want to get naked to take a bath. If we are going to get more young people involved in nude activity we must find a way to counter the almost constant “Nudity = Sex” propaganda. Unfortunately that may not be possible in our out of control society and we will have to wait until they mature mentally and physically and realize that what current society teaches them is false.
As long as American’s believe that freedom means having no responsibility to ourselves or society, we will continue to loose more and more of our real freedoms.
Bare Warrior
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