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HG8Harrier
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Posted - 10/19/2006 : 6:06:33 PM
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AllNaturalWife,
I agree with your standpoint. Whatever happened to 'mistakes happen'? I mean, I feel bad enough when I make a faux pas, but if people chastise me for that faux pas, it really puts me down in the dumps. I'm shy. I rarely slow dance clothed, let alone nude. If I'm stepping on feet (or accidentally hitting my genitals against a woman), it's between the two of us. As long as you're not simulating sex on the dance floor, wouldn't we all feel a little bit better by counting on others to self-monitor? I'm probably missing the obvious here, but that's my two cents on the matter.
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 10/19/2006 : 6:20:21 PM
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Thats true HG8Harrier. How can anyone{single nudists especially} expect to dance innocently at a nudist dance without having some "incidental contact" of some sort. I mean, I have really big boobs. So they are going to be touching the chest of any man I slow dance with. That happens wether Im naked or clothed. We should use the same rules of behavior in either case. COMMON SENSE..COMMON SENSE...COMMON SENSE!! Thats what it all boils down to. I feel bad for all the nudists out there who are single and want to ask someone to dance at a nudist dance. It is very difficult to know."how close to be" and such especially with someone you just meet,when you are naked. Even for the most "well intentioned nudist".
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Tuffers
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 03:10:45 AM
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Well get this, At any dance that is held at our club you HAVE to be clothed!!! How ridiculous is that!!--- So Sue and I have never experienced the pleasures of nude dancing.
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 2:25:31 PM
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Thats just a stupid rule.
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CalTom
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 Posted - 10/21/2006 : 11:39:36 AM
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A location even more perilous than the dance floor is the "Conversation Pool" and the hot tub. Over the years, depending on the club, I have seen near orgies juxstaposed with couples holding a buisiness/ real estate meeting at the opposing ends of a conversation pool: it's a logistic marvel.
The - - conversation pool was a location shoot in 1997 for that blockbuster movie -made for about 37 cents- Tampa Heat, starring Vince Voyeur and Jessie James minus Annie Oakley. The resort back in those days would host Ronnie Jeremy (Hyatt) on a near weekly basis, who would bring with him a gaggle of dancers up from the Mons Venus in a stretched limo. In the blue glow of the pool nightlights, the dancers would parade around and we would look in awe at the end result of a thousand cc's of silicone implants. Now THOSE were true WMD's.
O.K. so now here is the question. What is conversation pool etiquette? Do lines blurr from simple public displays of affection in a hot tub? I believe more couples have gotten into trouble in the conversation pool than any other area of a nudist resort.
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 10/24/2006 : 1:53:13 PM
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I think the same sort of common sense would apply in a conversation pool as anywhere else. We have been in the conversaton pool,at - - many times. Some in the late night hours,and have seen it all. From couples having sex to, threesomes,to oral sex. Again..TAKE IT BACK TO THE ROOM!. It seems the staff has an unspoken rule to sort of "stopping policing these areas after a certain hour". The lines absolutely DO NOT blurr just because you are in a hot tub. Again displays of affection are fine. But I would prefer the person stiing next to me in the hot tub not be masturbating. Just because its underwater and I cant see it.
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Cheri
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Posted - 10/24/2006 : 4:00:35 PM
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Common decency would deem these things not take place in the open. If anyone sees this kind of behaviour in a AANR club, a FORMAL WRITTEN report should be made to AANR, the Region (FANR), and club management. That's one reason I'll never visit that resort.
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 10/24/2006 : 4:31:59 PM
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Cheri, Many reports have been made regarding the behavior at - - to AANR,but to date I still see the resort endorced by AANR as a family resort. As - - is probably the most up-scale "nudist" resort in the country I doubt that AANR would be quick to drop it from their endorsement. It looks too good on the outside and all the fancy ammenities are appealing to people on the surface. You dont know until you stay there and experience for yourself the innapropriate environment. By then you already paid for your visit and it is too late. Further more the resort will always have the bulk of its revenue generated form the swinger/party crowd. If EVERY SINGLE legitimate nudist stopped attending they would only loose about 25% of their main income. And this loss would quickly be regenarated by a new crop of swingers and lifestyles vistors. Bottom line is - - doesnt NEED to change anything. They are making a ton of money with the status quo.
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Cheri
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Posted - 10/24/2006 : 6:39:11 PM
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Originally posted by allnaturalwife
Cheri, Many reports have been made regarding the behavior at - - to AANR,but to date I still see the resort endorced by AANR as a family resort. As - - is probably the most up-scale "nudist" resort in the country I doubt that AANR would be quick to drop it from their endorsement. It looks too good on the outside and all the fancy ammenities are appealing to people on the surface. You dont know until you stay there and experience for yourself the innapropriate environment. By then you already paid for your visit and it is too late. Further more the resort will always have the bulk of its revenue generated form the swinger/party crowd. If EVERY SINGLE legitimate nudist stopped attending they would only loose about 25% of their main income. And this loss would quickly be regenarated by a new crop of swingers and lifestyles vistors. Bottom line is - - doesnt NEED to change anything. They are making a ton of money with the status quo.
Jenn, There may be informal notices and reports, but has anyone filled out an official document supplied by the AANR office. Just a letter won't cut it.
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 10/24/2006 : 7:07:50 PM
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Yes,in fact I have spoken personnally with several representatives fron AANR regarding this issue when they visited my club this past summer. I have also filled out the written complaints you speak of. For the reasons I mentioned AANR has a lot more to loose if they disassociate themselves from argueably the most upscale resort that allows nudity in the country. And they have very little to gain.
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Tuffers
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Posted - 10/25/2006 : 03:39:12 AM
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If the AANR are meant to be the association that monitors nudism in the USA, who else is going to protect families who inadvertently book a vacation at such places, to have themselves and more importantly their children subjected to outrageous behaviour in the name of nudism. Isn't is about time that such associations stood up to be counted or is the mighty dollar the overall deciding factor. They will eventually lose their own credibility if they don't.
As a Brit I of course am not aware how the AANR are funded and how their withdrawal of endorsement would directly affect them, but their integrity would be enhanced, if not their coffers.
I find it somewhat strange that the activities in the hot tub are not questioned but you can't eat a packet of crips ( chips) you bought outside without been chastised. Sounds an interesting philosophy, I don't think!!!
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CalTom
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Posted - 10/25/2006 : 12:05:19 PM
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For very necessary reasons, - - must keep its welcome mat out for most variations of the nudist lifestyle. Living at - - at times is a little like living in a nudist theme park. On sunny weekends starting around 10am the tour trams begin running up and down Vista del Lago Ave. and aboard them are visitors from every state and many foreign countries. Periodically during the day escorted groups walk through the pool area, some with looks of amazement, as if the tour guide were explaining, "here in our own carefully cultivated habitat are endangered species known as nudists."
I once suggested that - - should add our own versions of Tom Sawyer Island and New Orleans Square.
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Tuffers
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Posted - 10/25/2006 : 12:22:17 PM
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Sorry but I think you have missed the point.Unless I am mistaken is the AANR there to monitor establishments for the good of Nudism in the USA and its values? If ANY establishment is overstepping the mark of decency as a family resort, I feel its affiliation with the AANR should be terminated by AANR. Then prospective members or holiday makers would be on guard when considering going to that resort. The lack of endorsement by AANR would send out the right signal.
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 10/25/2006 : 2:11:14 PM
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The ONLY reason ANYONE is in business is to make as much money as possible, and I'm sure that includes AANR. Morals tend to get in the way of that.
Thats very true. Since there are many variations of people who practice nudism as said by - -tom, - - IS open to all of those demographics. And since they have the majority support of "lifestyle" people,thats who they will continue to appeal to. Im sure we all understand that - - is and will remain open to swingers. My problem is: as I KEEP SAYING." Why do they disguise themselves as a FAMILY resort..when they dont NEED to? If they flat out said we are an adults only clothing optional resort. They would loose very little of their main clientel.
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Jim in Boston
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Posted - 10/25/2006 : 9:56:59 PM
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Hey, folks, are we grown ups or not? Real nudists are or should be capable of acting in a civilized fashion, even when in close proximity to friends or nearly friends, and even when not hidden by textiles. As Jenn sez, it is the prudes who have problems with the opposite sex.
That said: we have been to nudist resorts in Europe where the local clientele insists in dressing for dinner. Makes no sense to us, but they do it and they don't seem to like it when we turn up naked at the resturant. I can see how they would have a problem with Club Fred. Just outside of their experience. Maybe these folks from Europe are not really nudists: just tourists who like to get naked at the beach...
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