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25yoGunnisonNewbie
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 Posted - 06/15/2010 : 1:27:03 PM
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Hey everybody!
I'm a 25 year old guy from North-Central NJ, looking to make my first trip to Gunnison.
I wanted to start by thanking everybody who's posted in the past, I've been reading through the old posts and all the information you've provided has been helpful and informative for this first-timer.
I'm looking to avoid the crazy weekend crowds and traffic jams at the beach, so I'm planning on going on a weekday next week. But, I would still hope for there to be a decent crowd of beachgoers...I don't want to be the only person on the beach, lol. So, I was just wondering what the weekday crowds have been like so far this year...are they worth the trip or should I go on a weekend instead?
Also, being new to the scene, I don't really have any friends into this, so I was planning on going as a single male. I've read your posts about lurkers and gawkers, and I don't fall into either of those categories, I'm just looking to enjoy the beach and the freedom of going nude there. That said, I don't want to spend the entire day sitting off by myself. I'm not looking for sex, would just like to make some friends that are into the lifestyle. As a single guy, are couples and women approachable, or have all the pervy guys ruined it to the point that I'll be instantly ignored?
Thanks in advance for any advice you can give me. Hope to meet some of you at the beach soon!
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lovesthesun
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Posted - 06/17/2010 : 10:43:09 PM
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I was reacting to the idea that it was acceptable for me to have problems...
Except that I NEVER SAID IT WAS ACCEPTABLE FOR YOU TO HAVE PROBLEMS!!!!! That is a gross mischaracterization of what I said. One more time, I want Gunnison to be a place where NO ONE has problems. My bringing a woman I care about isn't going to accomplish that -- it's just going to give another woman problems, as in potentially basically becomming an unwilling amateur porn star. To solve the problems on the beach, you need to actually take steps to SOLVE the problems. You know, addition by subtraction, I guess you could say.
I'm sorry - by that logic we should ALL leave our female companions, wives, and girlfriends at home, since I'm sure we care about our females as much as you do.
Should we all do that? The all male Gunnison beach will soon be a reality.
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KM
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Posted - 06/18/2010 : 5:09:59 PM
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That's up to you, now isn't it? All I know is that I am not going to sacrifice a woman I care about to make YOU more comfortable, and words can't express how NOT sorry I am over it. What you do with the women in your life and what potential impact is has on them is your business.
Honestly, people, maybe it's time some of you start focusing on the problem instead of a particular demographic. Stop scapegoating.
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DanandBev
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Posted - 06/18/2010 : 8:28:37 PM
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My wife and I have both been reading this forum. We have been to Gunnison only a few times but each time was a wonderful experience. It was quiet, peaceful and friendly. Everyone there seemed to be interested in just relaxing and enjoying the beach and the warm weather. We did not see any cameras or any bad behavior. we would not be bothered by someone taking pictures with a cell phone since the range on a cell phone camera is about 10 to 15 feet. Otherwise, one probably could not even be clearly identified. Again I think if we are to watch for something it should be a camera with a zoom or something you would expect to see a prof. photographer using. We also don't really feel bothered by gawkers since everyone likes to "people watch" it's part of human nature. The only thing that seems to bother both of us is people on the beach who are non-nude. Of course, there is no way to enforce nudity, but then why go to a nude beach. Getting back to gawkers I will say that the only people watchers that bother us are the clothed ones. I always wanted to try the nude beach and surprisingly when I asked my wife she didn't mind going with me. I didn't know if I would chicken out or not but when we got there and found our spot I just took it all off before I changed my mind. A minute or two later to my surprise there was my wife next to me nude also. That was the coolest thing ever! I hope that by reading our experience it may help others to feel comfortable in bringing their friend or significant other. Hope this has been helpful.
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waterboy
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Posted - 06/20/2010 : 10:23:07 PM
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I agree with Dan and Bev. My wife and I have been there four wonderful days. She never felt uncomfortable except for the clothed people.
Life is so short. We should not waste good beach days worrying about the jerks.
Thats like saying "I going to die someday I might as well stop living now"
I'd have better odds of winning the lottery than finding anyone I know on a voyeur picture site.
If your not gonna get naked get off the beach!!
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Balto Bob
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Posted - 06/21/2010 : 08:57:19 AM
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When I was there on June 11. There were lots of nude couples. Not many young couples on a Friday morning. I climbed up on th big gun implacements that Gunnison is named for. You can see most of the beach. If someone is back there or on a boat off shore with an expensive camera, I just don't know how we could stop them. Writing your Congressman (Gunnison is a FEDERAL park), might just get it shut down. I understand the concerns of the younger females but, I'm out of answers. The retired grandmother I was with, does NOT care who sees her nude. It is quite sad that so many others on this forum aren't as fortunate.
Bob
Have a nice NUDE day !!
www.ipernity.com/doc/elvertbarnes/5172004/
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KM
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Posted - 06/21/2010 : 10:53:55 AM
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I'm not so sure why you think a Congressman/woman would be so motivated to accommodate the perverts. Plus, I don't see why it should involve Congress anyway. Things are already banned at Gunnison -- floatation devices, kites, glass bottles, etc. Did that take an act of Congress? I doubt it. I'm pretty sure it was simply done by the Parks Department. Which makes quite a bit of money off Gunnison, by the way (as does Seastreak, the ferry company), which would presumably dry up if it were closed to nude use, as then it would be just like any other beach. Think they want less revenue?
As for people not caring about being seen, well, a retired grandmother has a lot less to lose, now doesn't she? For young working people, especially people with high-level jobs (which in the NYC area is certainly not uncommon), it's a very different situation. Plus, it's a bit disingenuous for a grandmother to say that anyway. As if SHE's the target of this type of thing!
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DanandBev
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Posted - 06/21/2010 : 11:31:12 AM
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KM I saw the site you were speaking about. The stills that they show really don't look all that candid. I did not and will not pay to investigate further on this site but I think it is possible that a lot of these videos and stills might be staged. It looks like these people are looking directly into the camera and at close range. Is it possible that many of these photos might be staged by actors and actresses or friends of the photographer for the site? I think the best and most effective thing we could all do is just be vigilant of those around us. If I see someone aiming a video or zoom camera at us you can bet I will take care of it. I think what might be a good idea is to have a phone# that we can keep on speed dial in case some might want to do the smart thing and just call a lifeguard or ranger to investigate. I am also more suspect of non-nude people on the beach. A nude person has less places to hide a camera.
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KM
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Posted - 06/21/2010 : 12:09:47 PM
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Oh, I SERIOUSLY doubt that. You must be looking at a different site, or at least a different "gallery" in that site. It's extremely clear that the people in these pictures were simply walking along the beach, minding their own business. Plus, as I've said before, you can tell by the apparent distance of the buildings in Manhattan that some kind of serious zoom lens was used. You wouldn't need that type of zoom to get a posed shot. I feel comfortable saying that I am 100% positive that these pictures were NOT staged -- these people had no idea they were being photographed.
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DanandBev
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Posted - 06/21/2010 : 12:24:43 PM
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Just a thought, I wonder If anyone has contacted this site directly to express the outrage of the beachgoers? Do you think contacting them directly might help?
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KM
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Posted - 06/21/2010 : 12:32:41 PM
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The unfortunate truth is that on their "Policies" page, they specifically state that they are under no obligation to take down anyone's picture. Basically, they assert that their own the rights to your nude image, not you. You have to remember -- these guys are pretty nasty. Then again, they kind of have to be to do what they do, don't they?
The bottom line is that I doubt they would care about beachgoer outrage. All they care about is themselves and their own profit.
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free2be
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Posted - 06/21/2010 : 8:50:14 PM
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Well...I finally got to take my wife there on Saturday. She is not a nudist, she just wanted to go with me to see what it was all about. With all the recent posts, I was hoping she wouldn't have a bad experience. That was not the case on Saturday. It was a beautiful day both weather wise and the amount (and mix) of people there. Got there early (would have been earlier had we not sat on Rt. 36 for about a half hour or so, coming up from the South, as there was a bicycle race going on and we had to wait for what seemed like the whole Tour de France to come through). There was a good mix of young and old, couples, families, singles, groups, male and female. We saw no deviant behaviour for the 4 hrs that we were there. I don't know if she will go back...not because she felt uncomfortable, but because she still doesn't get the nudity thing...and she did try it. She changed in to her bathing suit on the beach, by getting naked first, stood there a few seconds to say "see, I did it" and then put her bathing suit on. When we went swimming, once she was in the water, she took her suit off and skinny dipped for about 15 - 20 minutes. I asked her if she was going to walk back to our blanket without the suit..."no way" she said, but I was proud of her to at least be open enough to try it. We discussed some of the recent posts here and the only things we witnessed where photos could have been taken, was a helicopter doing a fly by...very blatent, as once he flew past from the North, he came back around for another pass. I don't know if you can get any good pictures from a helicopter flying by at a pretty good speed. The other was like Bob pointed out. There was a boat with about 30 people on it that was cruising just far enough off not to get the whistle from the lifeguard...but they were close enough that with any kind of zoom on a camera, they would have got some good pix. I realize that not every day can be like this. We just concider ourselves lucky that we had a great day...which is good since we had to travel 4 hrs to get there and it will probably be the only time my wife will be there...but who knows.
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waterboy
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Posted - 06/21/2010 : 10:14:40 PM
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Free2be.
I'm glad to hear you and your wife had a good day. We need to hear more stories like this.
That is how my wife started, and now she is uncomfortable in her swim suit (from the itchy, sandy aspect)
I think nudity is addictive once she gets the nerve to start. Don't worry free2be she'll be back.
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free2be
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Posted - 06/21/2010 : 10:21:33 PM
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Thanks waterboy. I was glad that she tried that much. I was just happy that she chose to go with me this time. She has also been having a good time telling some people that we went, which I think is great. I'm sure she will go again.
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KM
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Posted - 06/22/2010 : 10:03:26 AM
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We discussed some of the recent posts here and the only things we witnessed where photos could have been taken, was a helicopter doing a fly by...very blatent, as once he flew past from the North, he came back around for another pass. I don't know if you can get any good pictures from a helicopter flying by at a pretty good speed. The other was like Bob pointed out. There was a boat with about 30 people on it that was cruising just far enough off not to get the whistle from the lifeguard...but they were close enough that with any kind of zoom on a camera, they would have got some good pix.
Not to burst your bubble, but I was there too on Saturday and have a fairly different take. Specifically, I saw the rangers being called onto the beach several times. One such case, in fact, might have involved picture taking -- at least that's what I heard someone say. The guy in question seemed to be holding some kind of device (he wore what looked like either a red or yellow baseball cap, in case that means anything to anyone), and was, in fact, taken off the beach.
Also, again, the pictures I'm talking about (of which there were over 1,000 last summer alone) are NOT coming from helicopters or boats. They're coming from the beach. Was this particular photographer there on Saturday? Who knows? But just because you didn't see him, you can't assume he wasn't there! These guys are pretty stealth.
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