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NUDKIWI
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 Posted - 11/18/2003 : 3:56:39 PM
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I was at my club the other day soaking up the rays,when i began to think,and yes it did hurt.I began to wonder,is societies anti nudity stance a form of prejudice,and if it is do we have a case to practice nudity where ever we want covered by the human rights bill.
Isnt it prejudice to take a dislike to someone or to segregate them because of their beliefs or the way they dress or look.
Isnt it a form of aparthied to segregate beaches just because a certain group has a different dress code?
One dictionary meaning for the word prejudice is,"A judgement or opinion formed before the facts are known;esp.an unfavourable,irrational opinion."
I reckon this confirms my suspicions that it is a form of prejudice.Now,could it be used as a defence in a court of law,maybe.Do i have the courage to try it out,probably not.
Ah well back to the sunlounger,Pink Floyd in the headphones and a cold brew in my hand.
Naturally KIWI
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Cheri
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 4:01:14 PM
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I'm a staunch advocate for freedoms. However, it's as much as a right to enjoy nudism as it is a right for those who are not wanting to see those of us who practice the freedom from clothing.
Hugs, Cheri
Doing what I can to positively promote nudism
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melissastarr
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 4:47:45 PM
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I don't know about the legal side of things, but I feel like people do prejudge nudists. Few people in my everyday life know that I'm a nudist. (I wish I were more like Cheri in this sense.) But those who do know assume that I'm doing something immoral. For example, a friend of mine who knew I went to the nudist social on Saturday night asked me point blank, "So are you still a virgin???" Obviously, this person assumes I'm into all sorts of sexual things now that I'm a nudist. Others assume that we're exhibitionists or flashers. A friend from work, after hearing that I like to be nude at home (she doesn't even know that I'm nude socially) commented, "Oh, I thought you were a Christian." Isn't that a little judgemental... you can't be a nudist and a Christian? You can't be a nudist and a virgin? All nudists are into orgies? This is all prejudice. Who says I can't be a sweet, innocent person if I'm a nudist?
Melissa
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calmnude
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 6:28:08 PM
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melissa,
from posts we have seen you ARE sweet, innocent person, and you can be whoever you want. old calm nude has seen too many people try to peg people. be yourself.its a lot easier and lots more fun.
and the person who asked the intrusive questions is a boor. ignore
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melissastarr
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 8:02:34 PM
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Golly, I fooled you pretty well, calmnude... you think I'm sweet and innocent, huh? LOL The intrusive questions are annoying, but I deal with them. Here's the funniest question I've gotten (this is from a colleague): "So, will you take your clothes off for me? I want to see." Men!
Melissa
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nudetoo
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 10:40:07 PM
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I have paid my quarter so here's my two cents worth.
the general public have no idea what goes on with nudists,they think that behind that fence wild parties and orgies are the common thing!and, yet this is the worst kind of prejudice, founded on the unknown. the laws aginst public nudity were established during a time when nudity was a moral issue but now, I think it is a human rights issue. It should be my right to go outside the house nude as long as I am not being lude at the same time.
What we really need is a couple of nudist congressmen or even a nudist president to support our cause!
How about this Willy for President!
Just me Willy
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Kimberly
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 Posted - 11/19/2003 : 01:22:31 AM
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It is form of prejudice, however I do not think it is covered by any laws. Cheri is right, people have a right to go to the beach and not see nudity. That is why we have nudist clubs and nudist beaches. I have been to beaches that have warning signs that say "Warning, you may encouter nudity beyond this point. If you are offended by nudity, do not enter." I think this is one time "Separate but equal" would work. Clothing optional beaches and areas should be set aside for nude recreation. Give everyone equal access to being nude if they want, without offending those that do not want to see nudity. One of the reasons so many people think that nudists have just one big orgy, is the incidents that happen on public beaches and some clubs. Just a few people having sex on a public beach gives all nudists a bad reputation.
Kim =^.^=
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rockinghorse61
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Posted - 11/19/2003 : 04:10:38 AM
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Talking about a nudist Congressman or President, how about a nudist pop singer. Suppose a popular singer who has several million selling songs behind him/her suddenly revealed that he/she is a nudist? Would that bring the fans to the nudist clubs/beaches?
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Bare in the Desert
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Posted - 11/19/2003 : 04:36:40 AM
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There is prejudice in the legal system too. I have custody of my daughter and my ex-wife would very much like to see that changed. I have been warned not to get my daughter involved in nudism because it can be used against me in court. Judges tend to favor what is the norm.
Dare to be Bare
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 11/19/2003 : 04:51:27 AM
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Nudkiwi,
The problem here (including England, NZ & Australia) is that public nudity laws are governed by statutes. Ie laws made by parliament. To have these changed it has to go to vote by politians. I'm not sure you'd get the majority to support... Much the same if you had a referendum on the debate. Naturists are in the minority... Worldwide.
Interestingly enough in Australia we have state and federal laws. All states have anti-nudity laws, but the federal law doesn't. Pretty much means that you cannot commit an offence being naked on federal land which includes National Parks. Hence why most nude beaches in Oz are in National Parks.
Cheers,
Spontanudity
"Forever Naked"
http://groups.msn.com/YoungSydneyNaturists
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Kimberly
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Posted - 11/19/2003 : 04:56:36 AM
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Thats about the same here. We have national laws, and the provinces make the laws accourdingly. Probabily if they found out they could tax nudists, there would be a lot more places to be nude.
Kim =^.^=
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 11/19/2003 : 06:29:18 AM
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I was reading on the H&E website the other day that UK naturists are battling with changes to "indecency laws". Apparently they are trying to state that all nudity is "indecent" regardless of its context. Hmmm... The police would merely have to wait around to the end of a typical rugby night out to arrest at least 25 people.
Does anybody know the current status of the law changes in the UK?
Cheers,
Spontanudity
"Forever Naked"
http://groups.msn.com/YoungSydneyNaturists
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Kimberly
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Posted - 11/19/2003 : 06:34:23 AM
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Reminds me of the play I saw in London a few years ago "No sex please, were British". It was a hilarious comedy spoofing the "siff upper lip", and nudity. Looks like it is actually going to happen.
Kim =^.^=
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 11/19/2003 : 06:37:08 AM
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Tho' saying that, you do have to wonder how the English manage to get nude at all. Given that its freezing cold and raining 51 weeks of the year.
Cheers,
Spontanudity
"Forever Naked"
http://groups.msn.com/YoungSydneyNaturists
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Kimberly
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Posted - 11/19/2003 : 06:40:24 AM
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Seems like there was a Beatles song where they were saying "Getting your tan, sitting in the English rain."
Kim =^.^=
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 11/19/2003 : 07:01:16 AM
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Here's apparently what the new Bill says...
The text of Clause 70 from the Sexual Offences Bill (HL) 2003 which received its first reading in the the House of Lords on 13 February
Clause 70: Exposure
A person (A) commits an offence if:
(a) he intentionally exposes his genitals,
(b) he knows or intends that someone will see them, and
(c) he knows or intends that, or (unless subsection (2) applies) is reckless as to whether, a person who sees them will be caused alarm or distress.
(2) This subsection applies where A is in a dwelling and does not know or intend that a child aged under 16 will see his genitals.
(3) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable-
(a) on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or both;
(b) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years.
Cheers,
Spontanudity
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