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Kimberly
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 Posted - 11/19/2003 : 07:03:31 AM
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Ouch! That is stiff. Maybe thats why so many Britts co to the continent to be nude.
Kim =^.^=
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 11/19/2003 : 07:09:49 AM
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Here is the New South Wales (Sydney's the capital city) law:
A person shall not, in or within view from a public place or a school, wilfully and obscenely expose his or her person.
Maximum penalty: 10 penalty units or imprisonment for six months.
A "public place" means a public road, public reserve or other place which the public are entitled to use
Cheers,
Spontanudity
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 11/19/2003 : 07:12:43 AM
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To be honest the law would turn on the definition of "obscenely"... It would appear that its more of contextual issue. Based on that, I'm sure the law would not look favourably on a man with an erection... Oh no! Not that debate again! ;-)
Cheers,
Spontanudity
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Kimberly
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Posted - 11/19/2003 : 08:20:39 AM
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BC is fairly liberal, there are several nude beaches in the area, with Wreck beach being the most popular. BC does have a law stating a woman can go topless anywhere a man can, but that is challenge alot, and you really don't see it that often. The bad thing is nudity is lumped under obsenity. The reason some of the obsenity laws were enacted were to prevent men from exposing themselves to women and children. Eventually it included lude acts with women. This all came about before naturism/nudism became popular. The laws need to be re-examined as to what constitutes obsenity.
Kim =^.^=
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 11/19/2003 : 08:23:27 AM
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I find it amazing that the new UK laws refer to the male only, so in the eyes of the law a women can not indecently expose herself. Now that's sexist and prejudice!
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Spontanudity
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NUDKIWI
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Posted - 11/19/2003 : 2:26:34 PM
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I personally dont see how a human body can be obscene or how seeing it can be harmful.Everyone has one and most if not all have seen a nude body,we all wash dont we?
If someone sees a nude body do they fall over dead.It is not the body that is obscene it is the thoughts in the minds of the observer,and where do these thoughts originate?They are drummed into nearly everyone of us from an early age."Thats rude put your clothes on.""thats dirty dont run around like that." Do these two quotes ring any bells,but why is it rude why is it dirty?I still havent found anyone with a reasonable answer to these questions.Kim and Cheri you state that evryone has a right to go to a beach without seeing nudity,why whats wrong with the nude body havent i also got the right to go to any beach i want and swim nude,couldnt you use the same argument to segregate different races and religions from certain public places.Isnt this still a form of prejudice.If the only real harm coming from the sight of a naked body is in the minds of the observer then isnt it up to the observer to change his habits not us.
Now wheres that sunlounger,hun pass another brew will ya
Naturally KIWI
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 11/21/2003 : 8:51:06 PM
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NudKiwi,
I understand your point but I see that making nudity legal everywhere would not be the answer. Unfortunately there are people who abuse this and cross the line from what is considered natural and what is considered obscene. I'm sure we've discussed this at length in the erection debate.
Cheers,
Spontanudity
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airpowrd
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Posted - 11/21/2003 : 9:32:22 PM
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The problem with the discrimination argument against nudity is that nudism is our CHOICE. Equal rights laws and statutes in the US are to protect people who have no choice in their race, physical challenges, sexual orientation, etc... That's not to say they should receive preferential treatment, it says they are to be treated no differently.
I also agree with Cheri. Those who do not want to witness or participate in nudism should not have to.
Frankly, I don't care what other's think or believe about those who participate in nudism. I was introduced to social nudism in Germany where it is treated in a more "matter-of-fact" attitude. I believe that to be a more perfect world scenario.
I will never be an activist for nudity. I have no interest in promoting it. In fact, I think the less notoriety we have, the better off we are. If no one is complaining about us, it is likely that our rights to practice nudism will be protected.
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 11/21/2003 : 10:07:14 PM
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Airpowrd,
I don't consider myself an "activist" but I think we need to promote naturism to ensure that we get facilities and opportunities to practise what we choose to do. If we didn't promote it how would people learn about places and resorts to practise naturism?
Cheers,
Spontanudity
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calmnude
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Posted - 11/22/2003 : 12:34:08 AM
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to airpowerd,
see your point, we'd all like nudity to be matter of fact, accepted like anything else in life, and go about our business unnoticed. however there are people who do notice and their noses get bent out of joint.and they, not we, are the problem
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Kimberly
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Posted - 11/22/2003 : 02:41:14 AM
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I agree Calmnude, this is not a perfect world, someone is going to get bent out of shape over it. There was one case in court against nude bathing at the beach. It was found out that the group making the complaint had not witnessed the nudity, but had been told that it takes place.
Kim =^.^=
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 11/22/2003 : 10:51:38 AM
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As discussed on another thread its about making naturism inot "no big deal". If we promote it well enough people will see naturists as no different to anybody else.
Cheers,
Spontanudity
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NUDKIWI
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Posted - 11/23/2003 : 12:12:40 AM
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Im no activist either i just dont know why we should have to be ashamed of our "lifestyle" for fear of being looked upon as sexual perverts.I dont want the world to go around naked,i just want the world to understand us and we wont get that by hiding away.
Naturally KIWI
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Kimberly
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Posted - 11/23/2003 : 01:24:41 AM
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NUDKIWI;
Its not that we are ashamed of our bodies, its that it frightens other people that are non nudists. We go to places where we can be nude, they go to places where they can be clothed.
Kim =^.^=
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melissastarr
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Posted - 11/23/2003 : 07:25:50 AM
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I, for one, am seeking ways in which I can promote nudism. Why? Because of my own experience. Until a month and a half ago I equated nudism with orgies, something I would NEVER be a part of. If I had known there was a nudist event or beach near me I would have fought it wholeheartedly because of my (wrong) belief that it was immoral. Now that I know what nudism is about I see things TOTALLY differently. In fact, I wish I had known the truth earlier so that I could have embraced this lifestyle earlier. Perhaps if more truthful information were available to the public we would have more public acceptance and- very likely- more people who embrace nudism. As far as activists go, I wouldn't be a nudist if it wasn't for one activist taking me under her wing, answering my zillions of questions, reassuring me, and comforting me through it all. Thanks Cheri!!! I knew to talk to her because she is outspoken on the topic of nudism and has devoted a lot of time and webspace to the cause... if she weren't so active, I wouldn't have known that she could be a help. Just my thoughts.
Melissa
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