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chaser48
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Posted - 02/28/2005 : 12:54:25 PM
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Hi all;
Sex has indeed proven to "sell" by advertisers -- and it is not only Madison Avenue who discovered this. The West coast -Frisco, Los Angeles to mention but a couple of cities are home front to many firms that define beauty, glamor, the latest trends and who or what is IN or OUT for us so to speak.
The steps toward modern sanitaion began only in the very, very late 19th Century. If we take a look backwards, one can remember that horse drawn carts and the like were the fundamental means for mobility and also commerce. Humans also contributed to the mess but to say this subtly, streets in all of Europe and also the US up to this point (19th C)were literally covered with "waste."
My reason for stating this fact is because personal hygene (sp) in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries was ... well, stinky. And therefore, so was the process of love making and reproduction. This is interesting because someone saw a need and set out to fill it -- PERFUME!! One smelled nice but was still not entirely clean - This is the connection between body products and Madison Avenue. So the issue attached to our bodies being ugly and nudity or being nude as being "bad" is to a good part due to personal hygene and yes, there is a smigin of Bible believers that looked at the act of casual, extramarital, same sex, and underage sex as being sinful.
Bible types were born naked too --- I feel a number of situations come into play here not simply Mad Ave or Right wingers.
But you all wear the year-around tans -- I dont. I once used to and so want to do so again. So thanks for your time and talk again soon okay?
Chaser
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old hippie
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 Posted - 02/28/2005 : 3:56:39 PM
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Originally posted by nudeisntlewd
That is a difficult, possibly impossible, question to answer. I suspect that many factors over time contributed.
I was not aware that sexuality was still fairly open in the early seventeenth century. That knowledge should dispell the myth that religion is the one big factor that made people become uptight about nudity. I'm sure that some religious teachings have played a role, but I doubt that it is the role that most people think. I know a number of people of many faiths-Christian, Jewish and otherwise who are practicing nudists.
Randy 
Randy, et al.:
I can't be sure about the 17th cent., but certainly in earlier times (14th-16th) society made more of a distinction between actions which were "wrong" (i.e. sinful) and actions which were "impolite" (i.e. just bothersome). In that light, nudity, frank conversation about reproduction, or bar-room banter about bodily functions was acceptable. But topics such as adultery or blasphemy were taken far more seriously.
Read the Canterbury Tales sometime; it's a collection of stories, many of them a little racy, which were published in the 14th century. Notice that even the clergy in the Tales engage in randy speech, and this is not noteworthy to those of the time.
I suspect that we got too much of our social mores from the Puritans who settled in New England and were able to establish our version of "high society", imitating the gentry of Europe in dress and dining but with a more prudish flavor in the social discourse. Folks are much more tolerant and accepting before visions of aristocracy set in.
Price of opinion = $0.02
The Old Hippie
(in his curmudgeon hat)
Dum vivimus, vivamus!
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GeeWilly
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Posted - 10/05/2005 : 11:35:19 AM
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Not having been to Europe I can only engage in hearsay, but what seems to be the greater acceptance of nudity in at least some of the European countries appears to minimize time wasted by folks "in charge" in their attempts to control others' behavior. How does the per capita rate of sex crimes in the U.S. compare with, say, Denmark? Those who claim "pornography" (whatever that is?) causes such criminal acts might be surprised by the foregoing comparison. Then again, I might be too.
Attempt to control others' behavior with regard to both nudity and sex is often a common thread among the modern day pharisees. Religion gets a bad rap because the prospective controller (pharisee) most often uses it to cover their own agendas. Perhaps better read: their own insecurities.
The fact that these Morality Police find it so convenient to tie nudists to sex is one major reason to insure that nudist venues are not used as places to showcase genitalia adornments or sexually related activities.
Which brings me back to sex sells. I believe that even in those European countries so tolerant of nudity, television ads use such to sell product. The libido is not dead, just better trained?
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smendes
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Posted - 01/15/2006 : 10:27:01 AM
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Hi all,
Greetings from the Caribbean.... while I understand WHY nudists would wish to work so hard to dis-associate sex from nudity.... I think the whole thing is a bit overdone.
Certainly the majority of nudists are not actively looking for sex... they may be already married or otherwise attached, they may have high moral values, shun promiscuity or else have religious convictions.... isnt this common sense ?.... no need to harp on the issue ?
But there are others who are looking to hookup with persons of like-mind, for whatever action like-minded individuals may have in mind... this does not mean that they are not "genuine nudists" ... a person can be a genuine nudist at heart and still have a sexual focus... what I am saying is that the two are not mutually exclusive.... whats the big deal ?.... why make an issue out of it ?... as if it is something distasteful.. like a nudist person seeking sex partners is somehow a "traitor" to the nudist cause ?
I know persons who use nudity to gain sexual partners.... but yet they still enjoy nudity for nudity's sake alone.
Years ago when I was a child... public nudity was far more common in the islands.... in an "everyday" or "ordinary" context.... and there is not one shred of evidence to support any argument that this resulted in more promiscuity back then.
Nudity alone does not make people promiscuous... but promiscuous people may enjoy nudity...
as far as I am concerned, there is nothing wrong with either of them... nudity or promiscuity... it is ones personal choice.
promiscous people are somehow seen as "undermining" the nudist cause.... which appears to be... trying to convince the rest of the world that nudist people somehow have no interest in sex... a very ARTIFICIAL state of affairs and one which does not convince anybody.
Far better to ADMIT reality.... that whether clothed or not.... there will always be people who are promiscuous and those who are not in the nudist camp...
and in any organisation (which is nothing more than a microcosm of society as a whole) you will find people of all persuasions.
Hope I have not gone off topic or otherwise offended.... because that is not my intention
Have a wonderful day.... and my motto is enjoy life... and let others do the same
everybody is entitled to their quirks, habits and fetishes... PROVIDING these do not interfere with others rights to do the same.
Peace and love from a Caribbean nudist.... who enjoys sex immensely.... and is honest enough to admit it
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Cheri
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Posted - 01/15/2006 : 4:04:39 PM
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smendes, What nudists such as myself complain about is when those who are other than nudists try to impose their activities on family beaches and such. Things such as this close our nude beaches such as Higbee in NJ.
When sexuality is introduced into nudism, nudism becomes otherwise. Just keep it separate at nudist venues. Many of us do enjoy our private lives too.
Cheri
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smendes
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Posted - 01/15/2006 : 6:51:31 PM
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Things such as this close our nude beaches such as Higbee in NJ.
Hi Cheri,
I don't know the story of Higbee... perhaps you could enlighten me... or point me to a link that covered the story ?
Although I have been a nudist all my life... I have never been to any "official" nudist beach or any other "official" nudist activity.
Here on my island if I want to walk a beach naked or skinny dip... I simply find an empty beach and take off my clothes... its not legal but nobody bothers me... sex can even happen the same way in the bushes or on the beach... and if somebody comes upon the scene, they may either watch or pass by, but they will hardly complain.
I would never risk nudity on one of the popular beaches or in the city... that would be asking to get arrested... and the police would not have any choice but to take some action.
There are no nudist clubs or activities and no nudist beaches on my island... and so what is a nudist to do ?.... but its not a problem..
all it takes is a little discretion... and the courage to undress and bare all...
I have never been arrested... and there are plenty of places on the island that me and my friends can visit.... where we could run around naked without disturbing anybody...
.. and if we were surprised by a visitor.. well they have the choice... stay and watch... join in with us... or leave the area.
I suppose they could call the police from a cellphone, if it really bothered them... but its doubtful the police would come... and even if they did, by the time they got there we would be long gone...
This is how we live in the third world... primitive like... but it has its advantages...
and considerable personal freedom (in spite of all sorts of nonsense laws) is one of our advantages.
BOLDNESS coupled with DISCRETION... and we have our nudist paradise... not like yours of course... but NUDE none the less
and we like it so
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smendes
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Posted - 01/15/2006 : 7:47:56 PM
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and I quite agree with you all.... sex does indeed sell..
we get tourists coming from all over the world... just to sample our black beach boys for gifts and cash...
its a problem for the authorities apparently... but inspite of laws or whatever... it aint going to change anytime soon...
prostitution been around since the beginning of time... the politician likes sex... so does the judge, lawyer, police officer, soldier, prison guard and priest.
we like being nude... and would be that way 24/7 if it were not for "society" with which we must interact.
we also like sex... wherever and whenever possible...
the facades of moral propriety.. of decency... and privacy... are crumbling faster than ever due to Internet.
Lets face it people... there are thousands out there... looking at your nudist pictures and getting all sexual over them.
in fact, looking at naked photos is so popular... that sites like [deleted re: photos of minors].COM can charge as much as a porn site.. just to let folks take a look at your nakedness and particularly the nakedness of your children.
The nudist movement will ALWAYS have a hard time trying to convince the general public-at-large that nudism has nothing to do with sex... frankly I think its a waste of time...
... and I dont know why you bother trying..
just live your life the way you want to... do it BOLDLY.... do it PROUDLY... and dont be bothered by others opinions
you have a right to your nudity... and your children also have the right to their childhood without molesters coming after them.
so be VERY MILITANT in your outlook... give no quarter to the politicians or the government.
be STRONG people
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smendes
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Posted - 01/16/2006 : 10:20:02 PM
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Hi,
Thanks for your brief explanation.... but...
I have a couple of questions:
how do you close a beach to nudity ? ... I mean did they post signs... or station police there... or something else
and who is they ? .. the police... the army... or the nudists themselves
and after it was closed... is it like a deserted beach ... or is it still full of people.
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smendes
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Posted - 01/16/2006 : 11:13:42 PM
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on my island..
1. no beaches are private
2. all public nudity is illegal
3. there are no nudist beaches and no nudist organisations
as I said before the above never bothered me because...
1. there are beaches that are practically deserted because of their remoteness from population centres
2. breaking the law never bothered me too much
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Cheri
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Posted - 01/17/2006 : 8:50:03 PM
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Originally posted by smendes
Hi,
Thanks for your brief explanation.... but...
I have a couple of questions:
how do you close a beach to nudity ? ... I mean did they post signs... or station police there... or something else
and who is they ? .. the police... the army... or the nudists themselves
and after it was closed... is it like a deserted beach ... or is it still full of people.
The police or rangers monitor it and ticket or haul off the offenders
Doing what I can to positively promote nudism
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hedotravelers
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Posted - 01/26/2006 : 2:18:14 PM
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I still love the saying: "God created nude man created lewd."
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muffin
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Posted - 04/28/2006 : 02:19:24 AM
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I simply love the beach.
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Pete Knight
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Posted - 04/28/2006 : 03:29:05 AM
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Exhibitionism and voyuerism aren't the same as nudism, I think you are getting a little confused, and bringing nudism into disrepute, its people like you that set nudism back, and get nudist beaches closed down.
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Pete
Even a prude
has to be nude
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Cheri
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Posted - 04/28/2006 : 09:11:37 AM
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Nudists don't have sex on the beach. That can and has lost us some of our venues. Nudism has nothing to do with overt sexuality.
Cheri
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JustJim
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Posted - 04/28/2006 : 1:25:34 PM
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I wish there was some way to get the word out (and have it believed) that nudism and sex are two totally different things. Comments like the one "Muffin" left on here are disingenuous and designed to call attention to ones self, or to illicit responses from those they intend to "rankle". It's like making a racial remark at an NAACP meeting, telling a "Catholic Joke" at the Vatican...etc.. all intended for the purpose of attention and reaction.
In all the visits I've made to nudist resorts I've not seen any sexual behavior, any "erections", and quite frankly I've heard FAR fewer and much milder jokes, comments, or remarks about sex in general conversation than you would in any CLOTHED setting.
I've never been offended by anything that has occurred at a nudist facility and I"ve always felt far more comfortable with that group...even when I was a newbie stranger...than I do with various other groups of people.
Uninitiated people focus ONLY on the idea of exposed body-parts when they hear the word "nudism" and then they apply their OWN mental conclusion of what would happen with this exposure... in essence they are condemning themselves with their own misguided thoughts when they make remarks about "nudists". They're transferring their own thoughts into what they conclude to be OUR actions. It's very narrowminded.
JustJim
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