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devildave25
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 Posted - 08/01/2003 : 12:14:09 PM
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Hi, I'm new to this message board. I have a legal question for you legal types.
I have watched the Foxnews channels "The O'reilly Factor" just the other day July 29, 2003 to be exact. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93309,00.html
In an article titled "Uncovered: Is a Former Nudist Leader Dealing in Child Pornography?" where this former nudist leader is selling video tapes and DVD's of Nudist adults and children in nudist camps and beaches. Showing children's beauty pagents and things of that nature. This former leader says that all the videos were taken in Europe and Eastern Europe, and not in the United States.
My questions are:
1. Are these videos legal to sell/buy? (they are said to not show the pubic/genital regions of the children/adults, nor sexual situations)
2. Are these videos considered to be child pornography?
3. Where can I find legal advice on this subject <Nudist Issues>?
4.. As Nudist what are your thoughts on this subject (the selling and purchasing of these videos)?
One site that I found on a google search on nudism is one such site that sells videos/DVD's and books on nudism. These videos are of adults and children nudists. On the site itself it says it's legal to purchase these videos with nude adults and children on it because they don't show close up shots of the pubic/genital areas on the children or the adults or sexual situations and content. It also states the names of 4 lawyers here in the state of California that all say it's ok to sell and buy these videos.
5. If a person were to purchase these videos what would be the legal issues that one needs to take into account?
That's all for now. Any and all information will be greatly appreciated. I await your replies. Please be easy on me as I only want information on this matter.
Thank you,
Dave
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paint4life
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Posted - 08/01/2003 : 4:21:04 PM
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I know nothing of the legality, but on an ethical level, I would have to say that I feel that it is unethical on either end of the sale.
I would question the motives of someone selling/buying a video that showed child sunbathers in bathing suits. It just doesn't feel right. I would have even less tolerance for someone selling/buying anything related to nude children.
A line should be drawn between those who can make a sound, mature decision, and those who are at the mercy of the decision makers.
I'm just going with my gut, and I believe I speak for my wife, too, on that subject.
Weighing in with my opinion...
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Cheri
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Posted - 08/01/2003 : 5:15:24 PM
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These videos may or may not be legal depending on where you live. In Indiana they might prove to be illegal. In Arkansas, it's not even legal to speak with someone of the opposite sex to whom you are not married about nudism.
The videos were filmed in Europe and supposedly are true nudist videos. I am very disappointed in Walt Zadanoff.
I have a very little legal background (married to an attorney) :)
Regards, Cheri
Doing what I can to positively promote nudism
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devildave25
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Posted - 08/02/2003 : 4:39:59 PM
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Hey all,
I spent the better part of 4 hours yesterday searching for any legal laws pertaining to my question. I agree with both of you on this. But I think it's important to talk about these things.
Here is what I found:
1. http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/supreme_court/briefs/00-795/2000-0795.mer.aa.pdf
(John Ashcroft)
2. http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/supreme_court/briefs/00-795/2000-0795.pet.aa.pdf
(Janet Reno)
Both of these look pretty much the same. In fact I think that they are the same exact thing. One has John Ashcroft's name on it and the other has Janet Reno's name on it.
It seems to me from what I read that the selling/purchasing of these types of videos is legal since the definition of childpornography is children engageing in sexually explicit conduct. The definition is only paraphrasing from the links but you get the basic idea. I'll let you read the link and decide for yourselves.
There are plenty more laws on the books in reguards to children and pornography, but finding and reading through them all will take a very long time. I couldn't find laws about Nudism on the website http://www.findlaw.com/ but I may not have stated my search correctly. If I find anything more on this subject I'll post it here for all to review.
Let me know what you think about the links.
Dave
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Admin
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Posted - 08/03/2003 : 1:45:37 PM
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Excellent research, Dave! Thank you.
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devildave25
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Posted - 08/03/2003 : 1:53:06 PM
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Not a problem, I will continue to do more research into this and any other topics that relate to nudism. Sorry that the website I sent you all to is way to long, but that is the law for you. Nothing but repeating the same things over and over again.
As I said, I will continue to do more research into topics of importance to Nudists and Nudism in general.
Dave
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eva-germany
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Posted - 08/04/2003 : 12:05:41 PM
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there is nothing wrong with children nude in videos.
there is nothing wrong with adults nude in videos.
in a suppressed society natural things get perverted because of narrow minded people.
if you look closer, most individuals grew up in a sexual suppressed environment and do not enjoy sex.
sex is dirty and with the help of religious fanatics you get a movement what suppresses people even more.
so people sexualize 'normal' things and behavior.
they put models in tight swim suits and do some 'erotic' shots and sell this as the swim suit calendar.
you could not sell these in europe, but in a suppressed society this is a turn on.
a man can hang this openly, and his fantasy does the undressing.
if you sexualize a woman's nipple and cover it even on a playboy, then a small girl without a top is a sexual object, because:
girl + naked breast (even there is nothing there) + exposed nipple = sexual object.
if small children would run around naked in the yard or on the beach, then there would be no sexualizing.
i can speak only for the things i observe, and that it is quite normal for young german kids to wear nothing if it is warm outside, and no one cares, no one runs around and snaps fotos etc.
some time it is an idea to think outside the box, and check how the rest of humankind is handling things.
just a thought...
eVa ~ thymoma cancer survivor http://thymoma.de šOš webmistress of The Openminded Nudist Board
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eva-germany
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Posted - 08/04/2003 : 12:14:01 PM
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one other thing
look @ japan
it is not allowed to show sexual organs in print or tv.
even in the special magazines it is has to be hidden or covered or blurred.
the sub culture this created, seeks a release valve in the most violent and sickening pictures there ever have been.
BUT the genitals are blurred....
in the netherlands, where everything in sex goes, it is not a topic at all, and you have very few sexual cases where the courts have to step in.
... and no, they do LESS child porn then what is done in the usa
eVa ~ thymoma cancer survivor http://thymoma.de šOš webmistress of The Openminded Nudist Board
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calmnude
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Posted - 08/04/2003 : 12:14:54 PM
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eva, i agree with you but there are too many repressed people in this country who see evil in everything.but there ARE those who exploit and degrade children sexually (graphically and through demeaning photos).
and the perverts and oppressors feed off each other. because they need each other to survive.
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devildave25
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Posted - 08/04/2003 : 7:24:10 PM
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I agree with both of you eva-germany and calmnude. Yes our society is a bit sexually oppressed, but not as bad as other nations.
I love being nude and I love nudity in general, but when people start video taping and selling these videos of children and adults at these camps and resorts, where do we draw the line? Or should we draw the line? I really can't find any laws that pertain to nudists and the video taping of them, then selling those videos to all who want them (both good and bad people). If you go to one of my other posts and go to and read one of the links I've posted you will find what the definition (according to the people who wrote that law/paper) of childpornography. I don't believe that these videos are childpornography, so they in my mind are legal to sell/purchase.
But I may be wrong, because laws always change each and every day/week/month/year. So before you buy any of those videos, check into the laws of your state/country. And the Government is currently looking into a case in Florida where a man (he was once the head of a Nudist organization, I forget which one, I also forget his name) is selling these videos of nudist children and some adults at various nudist camps/resorts to the general public. So new laws may be in the works soon.
I am still looking into laws pertaining to nudism and will post what I find here on this site. So all comments and any new laws you find would be helpful, so please post them here for all to see.
Dave
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ranul
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Posted - 04/24/2004 : 10:29:33 PM
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the questions are videos just of nude children then I see a problem their . But if they are of families and of places like nude beaches and swmming pool that happened to have children there then thier is no problem
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Kimberly
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Posted - 04/25/2004 : 03:44:46 AM
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Welcome to the forum ranul.Some unscrupulous people deal in child pornography, which is wrong. Because of this nudists are under the watchfull eyes of the government. Whereas nudists take pictures of each other, there is nothing wrong with that. It is when people take pictures of the kids nude, and buy and sell them. I do not know how yo solve this problem, but the rules about pictures of nude kids is tough, because someone does not abide by the rules.
Kim =^.^=
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Cheri
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Posted - 04/25/2004 : 10:16:33 AM
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ranul, There are laws in at least of one of the US states that disallow ANY photos of nude children.
Regards and welcome to these boards,
Cheri
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papabare
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Posted - 04/25/2004 : 8:25:15 PM
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This is why my family album and trip albums are so small. I can see someone comming in and openining a scrapbook full of naked people including kids, I would be thrown in jail and kids givin away to some strangers. If the world were different I would have pictures of us all on the walls. Ahh well
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Kimberly
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Posted - 04/26/2004 : 02:54:53 AM
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They are ways of taking pictures of the kids in a nude setting, just do not include the "objectionable" parts in the picture.
Kim =^.^=
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calmnude
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Posted - 04/26/2004 : 06:37:43 AM
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the only fairly safe way to do it is to use your own digital camera, store it on disks and show the films only at home or with people you trust to the max.
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