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leo 50
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Posted - 05/06/2004 : 07:41:45 AM
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i am coming into this topic somewhat late,but here my two cents [well i like to spend a nickel]
anything is risky,just a few years ago those cute little bear skin rug shots of nude babies were what a lot of people done. now if you send these to be developed you run the risk of arrest.
pool shots anything i would not send to a developer. [watch a certain large "discount" store]
the moral police are everywhere.
as for the coppertone have not heard that one about suing,but i do know that ad would not be legal today.also someone can come into your home,and if they find nude shots of childern and turn them into the police,you will be questioned and arrest is possible. i am talking moral family pixs.
they can use them against you. illegal search applies only to law enforcement,not private citizens.
if you reach for the stars ,you shall hold them in your hand.
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Kimberly
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 Posted - 05/08/2004 : 07:20:45 AM
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They are called get even" pics nudeboy.  When I was dating my husband, his mother brought out the baby pics. They are cute and I do not see anything wrong with them. But leo is right, if you have them developed at a chain store, good chance they will get traded. Its just sad that something innocent has to be verboten. I can also see the pictures being an embarrassement to teenage kids.
Kim =^.^=
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newbi
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Posted - 11/27/2005 : 3:38:06 PM
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interesting topic. alot has changed since the last post to this topic. With the hightened sense of laws concerning children, there is a fine line between legal and illegal photos of nude minors. As an amature photographer, i take extra care to do my best not to get any children in my shots. when i do, i edit them out via a photo program. there have been several cases of people being arrested for videos containing nudist children. the u.s. post office does monitor packages from various vendors - some of them legitamate naturist companies - with the events of sept 11 even more scrutiny is places on overseas post. with the age of digital cameras and home printing, you would do well to print personal photos of your OWN children, instead of having them done at any photodeveloping store. i understand a parent's wish to have photographs of their children of every age, but i always try to impress upon them an added bit of caution though it may not be pornagraphy to you or me. we can not control how the mass of society will view it.
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shyguyND
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 7:18:21 PM
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Hello, it is my first post, and i know what pictures and videos you are talkign about. A google search will show them.
Now, i think they are perfectly legal in most states, but some may be illegal. As far as i am concerned you should be fine having pictues or videos of nudist families. It isnt like the kids are beign forced to do it.
My mom has lots of nude photos of me when i was a little kid, she is still a free woman.
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Tuffers
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Posted - 12/05/2006 : 04:12:58 AM
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It is a shame that one has got to worry about the legality of taking videos & photos of your own kids as they enjoy nudism from an early age. I appreciate that there are evil people in the world who exploit kids for their own satisfaction and let the law come down on them hard. But in an innocent naturist world there is nothing wrong in my mind, capturing those joyeous momments of the children in the pool or on swings naked.
I was looking through some old photo albums as day or so back and came across some pictures of my daughter during a naturist camping holiday and only thought of happy time she was having. She was 2 or 3 at the time ( she's now 26) and didn't think twice then of taking the pictures. I may do now though.
There was a case some years ago of a TV presenter in the UK being threatened with prosecution for taking a photo of her child naked in the bath!! How crazy is that.
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balataf
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Posted - 12/05/2006 : 09:03:44 AM
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The key points SHOULD be intention of the photographer and whether any overtly sexual activity is being filmed.
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shyguyND
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Posted - 12/05/2006 : 5:04:23 PM
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SOme one here should try buying some of those DVDs and write to use from prison if they have any problems, LoL
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 12/05/2006 : 5:19:49 PM
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Those dvds have always seemed sort of "fishy" to me. I have always wondered what the intent of them is. From a mom of three, I am suspicious of the origin of those videos. Although they dont show anything that is "outright innapropriate" they have sort of a "creepy" vibe about them.
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shyguyND
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Posted - 12/05/2006 : 8:02:12 PM
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How so allnaturalwife?
I am kind of curious about waht the content of them is
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CMx2
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Posted - 12/06/2006 : 1:27:21 PM
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Originally posted by allnaturalwife
Those dvds have always seemed sort of "fishy" to me. I have always wondered what the intent of them is. From a mom of three, I am suspicious of the origin of those videos. Although they dont show anything that is "outright innapropriate" they have sort of a "creepy" vibe about them.
Jenn
I have to totally agree that there is something creepy about most of these videos.
Unless its a video promoting a specific resort or an event, then I just don't understand the point other than getting off on looking at naked strangers.
How many people have some sort of "home movies" they've made with their families?
I'd say just about everyone.
What would happen if you stuck your home videos of your family vacations (clothed specifically) on a DVD and then made a website to sell them?
Obviously you aren't going to make any money because to the vast majority of people, a family of strangers going to some random destination is just plain dull and boring.
Yet if you make the same exact video except remove everyone's clothing (especially the children's), you've got a DVD that will be promoted as an artistic celebration of the human body and you can sell it at $90 a pop.
I just don't buy the argument that these videos are "wholesome".
The only exceptions I could ever see as valid are if you either knew the people in the video, if you were traveling to the same destination, or maybe if you have been to that destination before and wanted some sort of keepsake.
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ray058
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Posted - 12/08/2006 : 08:29:03 AM
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Any time Nudist-Resorts selling videos on the open market is wrong too me.Like they selling soft porn.they are making money on nude bodyies.tis does not set too good when they are these rules but they sell nude bodyies videos.You could say its soft porn.Thats this my thought
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MarylandNudist
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Posted - 02/24/2007 : 9:42:36 PM
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I have no actual knowledge of the laws concerning this, but I can tell you this. I have been a practicing nudist for 9 years now, and I encourage my children to enjoy it themselves. Of course, my kids are 5 and 2, so they have no sense of shame yet anyway, so no problems there. The thing is, if I were to film one of their birthday parties, or just them being the lively, and amazing kids they are, I'm afraid to do it with out them, and myself being clothed. Those pictures or videos, are no different then any other family's memories, but in the wrong hands and eyes, they are detrimental.
Why?
Because the clothing that we have covered our self in and hid ourselves behind, has created a place for sick, and perverted people to thrive. It's like putting peaches in the cabinet under the sink. These are the perfect conditions for the peaches to go rotten. The same thing has happened with humanity. By keeping our natural existance in the dark, we allowed for "mold" to grow on the fruits of nature.
So how do we fix this?
Well, you could take the peaches out from the cabinet, and hopefully some have not gone rotten and can be salvaged. Of course, with humanity, this is a great and unfeasible task. It has been allowed to go on for too long. America can be viewed as the biggest cabinet in the world. In order to even begin this change, we have to take the good peaches (people like you and I) out of the cabinet and into the spotlight per se. Sounds easy, but as we all know it is not even close to being easy. What we need is a revolutionary voice. It could be me, or it could be somebody reading my words right now, thinking "This is it, no more hiding, no more being segregated for my beliefs, my practices, and my life. No more being thought of as weirdos, just because we feel more comfortable in only the outfit God gave us, as opposed to anything stitched by man. No more. No More. NO MORE!!!! It ends here and now. No more persecution. No more."
Oh what a wonderous world it would be. Where my family and I could enjoy our lives as "average" people, without having to sacrifice our beliefs or lifestyle, just so we don't offend others? Offend others? How can I offend others, if they're all made as every other human being is made? Why does it have to come down to some preconceived notion that it is "bad" or "wrong" to be unclad? These are the beliefs that spawn sexual assaults. When something such as the human body is kept hidden at all times, it makes people want them so much more. The imagination takes over to the extent that these people then act on their thoughts, in an attempt to uncover this "secret" as often as possible, no matter what the cost. Enter the porn industry. Probably the most addictive form of media today. The worst part, is that this form of media portrays the human body unclad as only an oject of sexuality, not as an object of life. When people become addicted to pornography, (which they do) the manifestation of the sex offender begins. If nudity was more commonplace than it is now, I feel this form of media would not be near as prominent as it is today. But since it is very prominent, and these ideas have become embeded in mainstream society, even a documentary of a child's birth is cencored in the "private" areas. Not only on the mother, but the baby also. Yet this scene has no sexual content as such, and in no way should be viewed as such.
To make a world changing impact, where do we start?
****Just did some reaserch . . .****
Maryland law regarding nudism only states that it cannot be done in a public setting, minors are not permitted in an establishment were nudity is advertised or available, anyone with a liquor license cannot have nudity in their establishment, and inmates cannot expose themselves inappropriatly to correctional officers.
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In determining whether a display is
"lewd," Illinois has applied the factors
discussed in United States v. Dost, 63
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Posted - 02/26/2007 : 4:19:37 PM
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The laws concerning child photography are ever evolving. I read in a news article earlier this month that several "child model" web sites are coming under legal attack. Though they don't actually show nudity, they apparently do show children in lingerae in suggestive positions or focus on the "questionable areas" even though they are (scantily) clad in either undergarments or swim wear or have the children posing in positions that would make Linda Loveless blush.
The laws aside, I looked up the type of material this thread is about. At a web site I will not name I found videos of nudist children selling for $70 a DVD. What kind of person would order, specifically, videos of nudist children and be willing to pay $70 for it? I think we all know the answer to that. They may or may not be legal today, but tomorrow is likely to be a different story.
I think there is a very clear line between a nudist who has nude pictures of children they know and, often, are related to and someone who has spent hundreds or thousands of dollars to specifically obtain videos and pictures of nude children. There is a very definite difference of intent there which would not be difficult for the average mind to pick out. Why do people want pictures? I can think of 3 reasons. One, keepsakes of memories. Two, artistic reasons. Three, pornography. It is getting more and more difficult to claim "artistic intentions" when faced with pictures of nude, or even scantily clad children. I do not think nudists have much to worry about as a nudist is not typically going to have the desire to order videos of nude children they do not know any more than any other person is going to want videos of clothed people they do not know engaged in everyday activities.
To the question, "is it legal to buy/sell these videos" my answer would have to be, "I hope not!" Take the profit away, take the problem away, at least to some extent. Don't get me wrong; I do not think this is the catch-all solution to a very real problem, but if there is no profit in videos and pictures of nude and scantily clad children then this question wouldn't even be an issue because these web sites are obviously not giving them away.
A nudist, like anyone else, wants pictures and videos of their vacation. This is normal. To want pictures and videos of some stranger's vacation is not normal. One would wonder why a person would want such videos. Throw in the fact that the videos contain, exclusively, nudist children and the reason becomes obvious.
The words "nudist" and "artistic" are being abused in this case and are nothing more than a parking charge. Want to know what a "parking charge" is? It is illegal in my are to charge admission to a fully nude strip club. For that reason, admission is free...except everyone, no matter who came with whom, pays a "parking charge", usually about $10, I think. If you have 10 people come in a van, all 10 pay the parking charge, even though only 1 vehicle parked. It's nothing more than another name for an admission fee to skirt existing laws. You can bet that you are looking at getting your name on an FBI watch list at the very least for ordering such material, as it should be.
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KindBill2004
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Posted - 03/01/2007 : 3:45:01 PM
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I just read through the posts and this particular website comes up on the first couple of pages of a search on Naturists. We all probably have the pics of our kids when they were little. My daughter is 7 and she gets a kick out of them and so does my son who is 12.
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Koda
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Posted - 04/09/2007 : 11:00:41 AM
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Los Gatos engineer accused of possessing child porn
750,000 IMAGES CALLED LARGEST BAY AREA BUST
By Leslie Griffy
Mercury News
Article Launched: 04/05/2007 01:32:27 AM PDT
Michael F. Palmer, of Los Gatos, is charged with possession of visual depiction of minors...
It started with hikers stumbling on a hidden cache of child porn buried in the Santa Cruz Mountains. Today, two years later, prosecutors are accusing a Los Gatos man of possessing 750,000 explicit pictures of children - considered the largest child pornography bust in the Bay Area's history.
Michael F. Palmer, 53, placed his massive porn collection in ammunition boxes and covered them with earth, plywood and plants on his 30-acre property in Santa Cruz County near Los Gatos, prosecutors charge.
In a two-minute arraignment hearing last week, the high-tech engineer pleaded not guilty to one felony count of possessing child pornography and was released on $50,000 bail. Neither he nor his attorney could be reached for comment. Palmer, who is scheduled to be back in court April 16, could face up to 10 years in prison if convicted.
Most of the photographs uncovered by investigators came from overseas, Santa Cruz County sheriff's Sgt. Robin Mitchell said. But, officers also seized non-pornographic, homemade films of Palmer with local boys at nudist camps in Santa Cruz and Santa Clara counties.
Deputies on Wednesday released photos of three boys taken from Palmer's movies, warning that the children could be victims of a crime. In the pictures, they look to be 8 to 11 years old. The dark haired boy, the release dated from 2005 said, may be called "Josh."
In the early 1990s and late 1980s, public records show that Palmer lived in Sunnyvale and Santa Clara.
Mitchell said there is no evidence that Palmer ever molested anyone, but she added investigators want to interview the three boys.
Mitchell said Palmer was a member of several nudist groups and had access to children. Papers found at Palmer's Highland Way home link him to the North American Man Boy Love Association, she said. NAMBLA advocates legalizing sex between adults and children.
Palmer's secret unraveled in August 2005 after three people hiking in the wooded area near his home stumbled on a partially covered hole in the ground, Mitchell said. Inside, they allegedly found an ammunition box filled with 35 millimeter print photos and magazines showing young boys in sexual situations. They also said they found marijuana growing on the property.
The hikers anonymously alerted sheriff's deputies to the find. Armed with a state warrant, deputies searched Palmer's land. Using metal detectors, they discovered 15 more ammunition boxes buried in a 50-yard radius of each other, Mitchell said. The green, locking boxes ranged in size. Some are 1-by-2-feet, while others are 1 foot by 6 inches. Each was filled with pornographic photos of children, in a variety of mediums, Mitchell said.
Tucked inside the boxes, investigators found magazines, printed photos, VHS tapes, floppy disks and CDs containing movies and still images. They also seized marijuana plants and a loaded rifle, she said.
Most of the pictures, according to Mitchell, show young boys engaged in sex acts with other children and men. They don't know how Palmer got his hands on the images, but investigators believe that some of it was mail ordered.
It's unclear why authorities waited two years to arrest Palmer.
Avalanche of evidence
With more than 750,000 images to sort, deputies consulted with FBI agents in San Jose. With a second state search warrant, deputies and FBI agents searched the property again and discovered more evidence, Mitchell said. They found the homemade movies of a nude Palmer with naked young boys at local nudists camps. They found more child pornography on his computer, investigators allege.
Spending hundreds of hours processing the evidence and working with a database from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, FBI investigators identified some of the children. They focused on images on the CDs, because they were the clearest. Some of the floppy disks were covered in mold from their time in the ground.
In March, a federal grand jury in San Jose indicted Palmer on suspicion of possession of child pornography.
Anyone with information about Palmer or the children he may have had contact with is asked to call the Santa Cruz County Sheriff's Sexual Assault Unit at (831) 454-2311.
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