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chic
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 Posted - 08/30/2006 : 08:28:33 AM
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Originally posted by FireProf
I personally think this thread needs to be closed. It really isn't going anywhere and this topic is discussed and discussed and beat to death.
You all have your opinions and that's fine, the fact is that even in nudism/naturism there are rules, etiquette and manners, just as in life. Some of you are proposing doing things you wouldn't do in the clothed society but thinks it's just fine to do in a nudist society.
Moderator, do us all a favor and close this topic.
Kevin,
I agree with FireProf, it's time to kill this topic !
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imnude2
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Posted - 08/30/2006 : 11:23:46 AM
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Sure, kill the topic but it seems it will always be a MAJOR issue that you need to hear (you want to just brush it under the rug.) Do you want to restrict every issue about the "NUDIST"?? What is the purpose of this "Talking about Nudism" I thought it is to promote what many of the communities/resorts guidelines are but to also HEAR, really HEAR what people are thinking or saying too.
It is great to see really what is going on in the "Nudist Communities/Resorts" not just see it portrayed that all nudists feel "this way" because as I see after reading all these posts there are conflicts within.
I am sure the "Nudist Communities/Resorts" are always making updates to their policies & it is only because they LEARNED something new or they LEARNED that their policies are in need of a change (based on people's input.)
So please kill the topic.
It will come back to the surface, I am sure. (AND, it should.)
Best to you all,
ImNude2
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DemonChild
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Posted - 08/30/2006 : 11:38:51 AM
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I'm new to being a nudist, at least in terms of beaches and such. I usually just do my own thing, walk around the house naked, go for a hike or rock climbing or something. When I'm out in the woods or something I'll just take my clothes off for the sake of being natural in nature. My point being, that when I'm out there alone, walking around with clothes on, or naked on the beach... I get an errection from time to time, and my theory applies to any scenario that I'm in. If I get an errection, then I get an errection, and if you have a problem with it, then, of the two of us, you're the one with the problem. Period.
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HarborGuy
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Posted - 08/30/2006 : 12:01:54 PM
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Oh isn't it just like the self proclaimed moral czars to express that a thread is dead when from what I tell from reading the thread that the so called "Pros" far overwhelm the "Cons"?
As far as saying that the people who are for freedom of expression aren't even nudists I say How dare you! If you can say that, then I can say I doubt you are.
I can prove my naturism status. I invite you to come to Sunsport Gardens and looke me directly in the eyes. I'll be at the front desk and probably the very first nude person you see when you get here. My name is dave and more than likely I will be the one answering the phone.
As a matter of fact you may say you think this thread needs to be closed, but I bet you are subscribed to it and are the first one to read this reply after getting the alert.
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FireProf
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Posted - 08/30/2006 : 1:24:39 PM
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Is that what this issue is to you!? More Pros than Cons, more Cons than Pros!?
What is the policy of Sunsport Gardens. Are all male members allowed to walk around with erections without having the respect of others that may not want to look at your erect penis?
Just because you work at a naturist resort/club and carry a card doesn't make you a Naturist. Being one has to do with philosophies and for years the naturist movement and the lifestyle has had rules, standards, etiquette and a philosophy that has certainly covered the issue of erections.
Now because you want to walk around with an erection the rules, standards and etiquette must change to suit your wants and needs. It's been hashed and rehashed to the point where there are pages and pages of the same rhetoric and nothing has been solved, nothing has changed or will change as far as this topic being one where not all will agree. So.....what's the point of arguing this topic?
PS; I'll reserve my trip to Sunsport Gardens when I get a better idea of how this club handles the issue of indiscreet erections by male members and visitors. Thanks for the invitation.
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HarborGuy
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Posted - 08/30/2006 : 1:43:42 PM
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I never said that MY views on a subject was Sunsport's views and that includes ANY subject. However, when it comes to such matters I can say that Sunsport Gardens is the most understanding and would never just go running up to someone with an erection and either kick them out or cover him with a towel like he were on fire either.
There is a difference between OVERT sexual CONDUCT and the occasional accidental erection and we understand that.
Just so there is no misunderstanding here is a coppy of our standing rules.
SUNSPORT GARDENS, INC.
Rules and Regulations Effective 01/01/2006
WELCOME TO OUR RESORT!
Naturism is the approved way of life at Sunsport Gardens. All members and guests are expected to participate. In order to provide the maximum enjoyment of each member and guest, the following park rules have been adopted:
EVERYONE VISITING FOR THE DAY MUST SIGN IN AT THE OFFICE UPON ARRIVAL
This includes ALL non-resident members as well as day visitors
1. Clothes: Nudity is expected, conditions permitting. Nudity is required at all times in the swimming pool, spa and sauna.
2. Conduct: Good conduct is expected. Overt displays of sexuality are not permitted. Vulgar language will not be tolerated.
3. Children: Parents are responsible for their children’s safety and actions.
4. Towels: Please carry and sit on your own towel at all times.
5. Pets : Dogs must be leashed except in the Dog Compound. You must immediately pick up after your pet. No pets permitted on the pool and spa deck (including grass area adjacent), or in common buildings. Cats and dogs must have collars and up to date vaccinations. Pets must not cause a disturbance.
6. Swimming: Safety signs posted at the pool and spa must be obeyed. No glass at the pool, hot tub and surrounding area. Suntan lotions and oils clog the filters. Please shower with hot water and soap before entering the pool or hot tub.
7. Trash: Please place all trash in appropriate containers. Containers for aluminum cans and blue and yellow recycling bins are available. Please recycle.
8. Smoking: All Sunsport common buildings are smoke-free. Please step outside to smoke. PLEASE dispose of cigarette butts in appropriate containers and do not throw cigarette butts on the ground.
9. Alcohol: Excessive consumption of alcoholic beverages is not permitted.
10. Drugs: The possession or sale of illegal drugs is not permitted.
11. Cameras: Cameras are permitted in common areas only with written permission of the manager. Under all circumstances, permission of the person being photographed must be obtained before photographing them.
12. Guests: If you expect guests, deliveries or maintenance personnel, notify office in advance and register them upon
arrival. Members are responsible for the actions of their guests.
13. Firearms: Firearms are not permitted on the premises.
14. Speed Limit: 5 MPH. Be alert. Watch for children, animals, golf carts, bicycles, pedestrians, and flying monkeys.
15. Radios: Radios, televisions and CD players may be used provided the volume is kept low. Earphones are suggested in common areas.
16. Quiet Time: Please be as quiet as possible between 10:00 p.m. and 8:00 a.m. weekdays, midnight and 9:00 a.m. on weekends.
17. ATV’S: ATV’s and Dirt Bikes may not be operated.
18. Golf Carts: Golf carts must be kept in good repair. People must be 16 years of age or older to drive a golf cart. Golf carts may only be driven on Sunsport's roads. Lights are required after dark. Carts are not allowed in areas where cars are prohibited.
19. Trees: Trees and large bushes may be removed only with the approval of the ecology committee. Approval is required for the removal of invasive vegetation such as Brazilian Pepper trees, which form a buffer around the park. Permission must be obtained from the manager before clearing land.
20. Fires: Open fires are permitted only in approved areas.
21. Bo
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HarborGuy
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Posted - 08/30/2006 : 2:56:13 PM
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There I've shown you mine, now you show me yours. Where are these rules and regulations about nudism you are talking about? They may exist for individual resorts and beaches, but not for nudism as a whole.
I'm sorry to everyone if I got a little miffed. I know this is just a general discussion, but I am also thinking about everyone who has just joined or is visiting Nudist-Resorts.org for the first time.
To a new nudist or new to this forum it must be a god send to be able to vent this very frustrating question, supposedly to someone who might understand. It seems a shame to close down a thread before they have a chance to voice how they feel.
Yes, you are right in that this subject may never get resolved, but this isn't so much about the erection issue anymore as it is about freedom of speach and the chance to vent.
I just think that this thread should remain open if only for the people who just happened to start enjoying it.
I really thank the owners of Nudist-Resorts.org for giving me the chance to vent, it's a wonderful thing. I also thank them for you being able to do the same. I may not agree with you, but I believe in your right to disagree with me.
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CMx2
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Posted - 08/31/2006 : 02:49:25 AM
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This thread is a joke.
I think the most popular argument that you pro-boner guys have is:
"You can't tell when a girl is turned on so we should be able to walk around with a boner any time we want because its not fair otherwise."
This argument doesn't even need a rebuttal.
I'm mean seriously.
Grow up.
The second most popular argument is probably:
"Its just natural."
Yeah and so is urination.
I'm just glad that in the real world there are people who understand that there are things that are not appropriate.
As it has been said before, there are places you can go to expose your erections if that sort of thing does it for you. I for one am glad that it is not accepted at a genuine nudist venue.
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HarborGuy
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Posted - 08/31/2006 : 09:26:27 AM
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Grow up?
I always assumed that this was a subject that only a mature mind could undertake. It's obvious there are some people who haven't got the maturity they profes to have.
It is medically proven that erections are not always sexually based. In researching the subject I came up with some imformation that can be interesting to both sides. I found this imformation at:http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/37228/prolonged_erections_priapism_causes.html
I just don't think that talking about such a natural thing can possibly be against naturism.
Not that long ago, my grandfather's time and even in some religions today erections are so taboo that they had devices. (Male Chastity belts)Boys would have to wear these betls and insert their penis's inside the device with sharp spikes. If the penis grew erect they were poked and even impaled with the spikes.
Now I ask you how mature is that?
PERSONALLY I have a feeling that teaching a boy that erections are shamefull or bad in any way. That teaching a boy to control them in my own opinion could be a reason that later men need medications like Viagra. It is proven that impotancy can be caused by a mental block. Could that block be from society imposing their own unfounded taboos?
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imnude2
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Posted - 08/31/2006 : 11:54:19 AM
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Hello HarborGuy,
Excellent responses!! I agree with what you say in your posts.
There are a few others who I think have had excellent responses to some posts too. I am the "newbie" and believe me when I say how amazed I am after reading many of these posts from people supporting their position on ERECTION issues and the PIERCING issues. Wow!!
I really do thank the people behind this website for at least leaving some (mostly all?) of what is written by
so many people.
I am a woman. I DO NOT think it is wrong people (for those who think it is wrong.) I DO NOT think it is wrong to see an erect penis. I DO NOT think it is wrong to see a piercing on a penis. These would NOT distract me any more than just looking a man's penis. I can easily agree with people when they say they view the "PENIS" in a NON-SEXUAL way. BUT, I also see it in a "SEXUAL" way too. It seems like many do not want to VOICE this for what seems like a fear of some sort & I cannot figure that one out. What is the fear of VOICING your feelings? People come across as if they are void of a true emotion (natural, non-sexual, sexual.) I am getting a strong idea that the people who do not want to speak up in support of the "ERECTION" or the "PIERCING" issues publicly because they DO NOT want to be banned from their "groups" & they DO NOT what to look like the "bad guy." Those people (the ones who do not want to look like the so called bad guy) ALWAYS, ALWAYS benefit from the so called bad guys VOICE.
The penis is no more distracting with an erection, with a piercing, or without the erection or piercing. The fact that it is called a "Genitalia" does not equal "SEX." SEX is in the mind of the beholder AND I think there are far more other "SEXUAL" distractions. Just look in those eyes of someone, or have an intelligent conversation with someone. These can be very "SEXUALLY" distracting too, if not much more. These "NON-VERBAL" distractions are MUCH MUCH more "SEXUAL" (sexually stimulating) and much much more of a sexual "DISTRACTION" than looking at a "sex" organ (pierced or erect.)
So, why does it seem like people are hiding issues of of the "SEXUAL," "NON-VERBAL" communication??
Best to you HarborGuy & to everyone debating these issues. ("Pros" & "Cons")
Loving Wishes for all!!
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Cheri
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Posted - 08/31/2006 : 2:18:46 PM
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ImNude2, Why have beaches such as Higbee in NJ closed? OVERT SEXUALITY including just erect penises being flaunted. We need to keep our sexuality behind closed doors. A young boy having an erection is explained to...that if it's just something that happens to boys/men. Some times it signals that you have to go to the bathroom some times other reasons (age specific). They should also be explained to that touching oneself in public is not acceptable. There is a time and place for erections, and that time and place is not at a nudist venue.
Each club has its own right to welcome or restrict those who visit.
Cheri
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BlobbyBob
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Posted - 08/31/2006 : 3:24:45 PM
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Originally posted by Cheri
ImNude2, Why have beaches such as Higbee in NJ closed? OVERT SEXUALITY including just erect penises being flaunted. We need to keep our sexuality behind closed doors. A young boy having an erection is explained to...that if it's just something that happens to boys/men. Some times it signals that you have to go to the bathroom some times other reasons (age specific). They should also be explained to that touching oneself in public is not acceptable. There is a time and place for erections, and that time and place is not at a nudist venue.
Each club has its own right to welcome or restrict those who visit.
Of course anyone can be allowed or not to privately run clubs, but I don't understand why some people don't see how an erection can actually be non-sexual.
The idea of nudism/naturism, as I see it, is about body acceptance, freedom to be nude, but if a man has to cover up a specific part of him for no other reason than some people think it might be a sexual response to something, then that isn't freedom.
I'm not suggesting that men should intentionally give themselves an erection and then walk around to 'flaunt' it, but if a man is in a nudist/naturist setting and has an erection suddenly, and not for any sexual reason, why should he be made to feel ashamed of it and cover it up, or go for a swim, or roll over etc? (those are the 3 usual suggestions on how to 'deal' with an erection)
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HG8Harrier
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Posted - 08/31/2006 : 6:24:10 PM
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Originally posted by BlobbyBob
[quote], why should he be made to feel ashamed of it and cover it up, or go for a swim, or roll over etc? (those are the 3 usual suggestions on how to 'deal' with an erection)
Temet Nosce
For the same reason why we shouldn't have the confederate flag in public. Sure, it might mean state's rights to some, but to others it's traumatic. I don't think that many would argue that The Dukes' "General Lee" was malicious, but why even cause controversy?
I'm in no means advocating waving erect penises or the confederate flag in the wind, but I am by no means condemning them either... just realize that it's a touchy subject and respect others.
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imnude2
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Posted - 08/31/2006 : 6:51:57 PM
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Cheri,
Thank you for your comments. I respect your input as a woman and as what seems to be very experienced in what goes on in various types of nudists communities/resorts/beaches.
I am coming from another viewpoint in this issue of "...keeping our sexuality behind closed doors." & trying to give everyone my view on what is "sexual" and it is not just looking at an erect penis or a pierced penis.
I am 100% against men who would "PLEASURE" himself in those venues, absolutely, no question about it. It is WRONG & we ALL seem to AGREE on that issue.
Only thing is, we are discussing other issues involved here.
Don't you think that "our sexuality" involves being "nude" as well?? I do. If that is the case, then all nudists should keep their naked bodies indoors.
I just want to understand why such a fear. I already get the fact that there is a purpose for control of "OVERT SEXUALITY" misconduct (men pleasuring themselves in public, or women pleasuring themselves in public) I agree!!
This is something different, in my opinion.
Much respect for your comments & hope that a better understanding of the issues are realized.
Loving wishes always,
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Cheri
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Posted - 08/31/2006 : 7:11:28 PM
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ImNude2, I do not think that just being nude is sexual at all. It is sensual, just feels good. True that sex can also be sensual. However, simple nudity is not sexual at all.
Cheri
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