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Kimberly
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 Posted - 11/23/2003 : 07:38:44 AM
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Melissa;
The nice thing about Cheri is she has the answers or knows where to get the answers. Cheri always backs up anything she has to say. You couldn't have found a better person to guide through nudism than Cheri.
Kim =^.^=
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melissastarr
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Posted - 11/23/2003 : 10:16:13 AM
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Amen, Kim, Amen!
Melissa
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My clothes have low self-esteem... they know they're not wanted.
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Cheri
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Posted - 11/23/2003 : 12:35:28 PM
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Nudekiwi, I always wore just a towel after showering or bathing for a while and was never told to put clothes on. I had my own room and could relax there without intrusion. I even had a private sun porch. My parents didn't know I sunbathed au naturale at that point. My mother probably would have joined me had she known. My father in his declining years was told and didn't understand it even though he was a psychologist.
There's nothing wrong with the nude body. We ought to be able to coexist, but that will never be the case. That's why some of the major c/o resorts in the Carribbean have separate sides. There ought to be places where nudists can go. There should also be places where non-nudists can go to relax in their chosen environment.
Melissa, Kim, Thanks very much for the words. Knowing that I am doing good for people is a great reward. 
Last night, at a Travelites' party we had a guest of a member who said that she's never been around a group of people who were so interested in others and interesting to talk with. She wanted to join right there and then.
Helping people, educating them about our lifestyle is a high for me. I wish I could do it as a full-time job.
Hugs, Cheri
Doing what I can to positively promote nudism
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NUDKIWI
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Posted - 11/23/2003 : 1:26:38 PM
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Melissa, you are spot on we need to keep promoting the positive side of nudism,there are just so many negatives out there.At the moment social nudists are in danger of being bracketed together with sexual deviants,perverts and paedophiles because people in general know little or nothing about it,i.e forming an opinion without all the facts,"prejudice".Yes we have clubs and beaches we can visit but one complaint from a member of the clothed public and we have to fight for our "right" to go naked.That is why in my opinion we have to promote the positive side of naturism,to show society that just because a person is naked it doesnt equate to sex,then maybe women can breastfeed without fear of offending anyone,families can take innocent naked pictures of themselves and little 3 or 4 year olds can swim topless without being told to cover up for fear of enciting lustful thoughts in the minds of men.Society needs to grow up when it comes to nudity,we never used to have these hangups of the naked body it has been instilled into us over many many years,I know we probably wont get to the point of us co-existing in my life time but with education we may get a little more understanding and acceptance and that will do me just fine.
Naturally KIWI
P.S. and i have to agree with the girls Cheri you are a mine of helpful information especially for the women on this site.
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StuffedTiger
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Posted - 11/23/2003 : 4:51:29 PM
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In the U.S., it is a two step process for claiming a right either at the State or Federal level: (1) having a sound moral and ethical stance that supports the claim to harm in principle and (2) having a good legal case under the Constitution.
Point (1) is important because the Courts only hear a fraction of the appeals; there has to be a reason why the law need their review. Point (2) is important because the Courts can only act against a violation of a Constitutional guarantee.
Currently, I am doing research on evolving the morality of Nudism. There seems to be much disagreement among Nudists about that. Some take a religious view, some a legal view, others an ethical view, even political views.
It is hard even to come up with a definition of Nudism. My current best shot (and I have had a lot of help): "Nudism is the public or private practice of non-sexual social activities in the nude." Under this definition, for example, Swinging could include Nudism, but Nudism would not include Swinging.
Regarding (2) I believe there are a number of good legal approaches under the U.S. Constitution. There is good reason to have multiple approaches to justifying a right.
Having a right would still not guarantee abridgement, though, because there are other rights we have that would conflict with our right to go Nude.
Most Nudists seem to want to just have fun. That is a great policy IMHO.
In the final analysis, I most like the approach Cheri takes of promoting Nudism because of the many benefits to both the individual and society. That has the best chance of improving everyone's life in the short term and the long term, and even if we could dump all prejudice tomorrow, that job would still have to be done for Nudism to flourish.
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 11/23/2003 : 5:31:26 PM
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Nudkiwi,
What are the nudity laws like in NZ. Are they more conservative than those in Australia?
Cheers,
Spontanudity
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 11/23/2003 : 5:32:26 PM
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StuffedTiger,
Is your research academically based? Where are you doing your research?
Cheers,
Spontanudity
"Forever Naked"
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StuffedTiger
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Posted - 11/24/2003 : 10:23:50 AM
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This British Sexual Offenses Bill is said to be primarily intended to create protections for children. It also repeals the older Victorian laws in need of revision.
Here is the link:
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/justice/sentencing/sexualoffencesbill/
The current status they give is:
"What's new?
Sexual Offences Bill has Third Reading
The Sexual Offences Bill has had its Report stage and Third Reading in the House of Commons. The amendments that were proposed during the Commons stages of the Bill will now be considered by the Lords.
The Government publishes its reply to the Home Affairs Committee report
The Home Affairs Committee Fifth Report for the 2002 - 2003 session (June 2003) dealt with the Sexual Offences Bill. The Government recently published its reply to that report."
That link takes you to:
http://www.official-documents.co.uk/document/cm59/5986/5986.pdf
The section dealing with Nudism currently reads:
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Exposure
6. In our view, it is neither appropriate nor desirable to criminalise
legitimate activities, such as naturism. We therefore welcome the
removal of the ‘recklessness’ element from the offence of exposure
(Clause 68). We do not, however, accept that the offence should be
further restricted by a requirement for a sexual motive. In our view,
this may create more difficulties than it solves and runs of the risk
of undermining the very purpose of the offence, which is to protect
individuals from distressing — and potentially dangerous — types
of behaviour. (Paragraph 39)
We welcome the HAC’s support for the removal of the “recklessness”
element from the offence of exposure. We also agree that the offence
should not be further restricted by a requirement for a sexual motive, as
this would leave out of the scope of the offence exposure that is intended
to alarm or distress but where the motive was not sexual but was, for
example, an act of loutishness or aggression.
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StuffedTiger
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Posted - 11/24/2003 : 10:46:48 AM
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Originally posted by Spontanudity
StuffedTiger,
Is your research academically based? ...snip...
No. Industrial. Primarily, I help create models of how things work for government, legal, financial, manufacturing and general business. I am usually one of the leaders in a larger team, and we are usually trying to solve a specific problem. It's just down and dirty gruntwork, far removed from academic glory.
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NUDKIWI
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Posted - 11/24/2003 : 1:40:28 PM
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Sponta,
The nudity law over here is probably much the same as over there,you are generally not allowed to expose genital area on beach though topless is o.k. and legal.However if a beach has a history of nudity on it nudism is permitted and there has been cases of this argument standing up in court at a place called Pohutakawa Bay on Aucklands North Shore,a school group stumbled on a naturist at the beach and complained and he was taken to court.The case was thrown out as this beach has been a well known nudist beach for a long time.Even if you are caught naked elsewhere it has to be proved that the nudity is inappropriate or offensive and as any lawyer can see this is a big loophole,you could argue that it is appropriate to swim naked and how can simple nudity be offensive.However if there is any sexual behaviour involved it is a totally different story.
Naturally KIWI
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 11/25/2003 : 08:49:49 AM
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StuffedTiger,
I wonder if including specific areas where nudity may be acceptable should be included as motivation is difficult to determine. Can you think of all the legitimate places a naturist would conduct their activity?
I'm thinking beaches, privately owned and designated naturist resorts, national parks and private premises. Are there likely to be any others?
Cheers,
Spontanudity
"Forever Naked"
http://groups.msn.com/YoungSydneyNaturists
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Cheri
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Posted - 11/25/2003 : 10:00:23 AM
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Spontanudity, National parks is out for the most part in the US.
:) Hugs, Cheri
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airpowrd
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Posted - 11/25/2003 : 10:50:47 AM
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I would just like to point out that Gunnison Beach in NJ, Playalinda and Apollo Beach in Florida are all part of the National Park System. I was under the impression that National Parks were the most likely places to successfully lobby for nudist facilities due to loopholes in Federal statutes. I am not familiar enough to be certain of this though.
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Cheri
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Posted - 11/25/2003 : 11:31:32 AM
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airpowrd, They may be part of the National Seashore but not necessarily the most likely places to lobby for successful nudist venues. There are no loopholes. There was a lengthly discussion on this website several months ago; you might do a search for them using the site's search feature.
Regards, Cheri
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Spontanudity
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Posted - 11/29/2003 : 06:05:30 AM
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Cheri,
So National Parks in the US aren't governed by federal laws? In Australia, nudity is acceptable as there are not federal anti-nudity laws. Nudity in National Parks in Australia is quite acceptable and relatively common.
Cheers,
Spontanudity
"Forever Naked"
http://groups.msn.com/YoungSydneyNaturists
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